On other boxing forums members find Bernard Hopkins in his current form to be even more exciting than Wlad. So vote and give your opinion. I would like to know if Saddonians find him to be exciting as a fighter.
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On other boxing forums members find Bernard Hopkins in his current form to be even more exciting than Wlad. So vote and give your opinion. I would like to know if Saddonians find him to be exciting as a fighter.
No I dont.
I apreceate his skill but he is efective but very boring.
He pounds his opponents from distance untill they are totaly bashed up before he even considers trying to go for a stoppage.
Efective-YES
Exciting-NO
He makes B-Hop look like Arturo Gatti. 1-2 clinch, 1-2 clinch.
I agree, effective yes, exciting no. I respect Wlad as the HW champ, but the state of HW boxing and a boring as hell HW champ has caused boxing to become a niche sport in America and ignored because of this. Wlad is not entirely to blame but imo he is a big reason why boxing is practically dead in America and is the way it is. The HW division has been said by many historians and knowledgeable fans as being the life line of the sport. And when the lifeline of the sport is on life support no wonder boxing is seemed dead in the country where it once had such a rich history.
It's not dead, it's just not as popular as before. You could ask 10 people at random who the heavyweight champs were, and maybe 2-3 would get one right. Where as back in Tyson days it would be around 6-7 out of 10.
Exciting i'd have to say no. But that hasn't noting to do with wlad. None of these guys are a threat to him, and his fights always end in a ko so he has no need for an extra gear. Short of taking dna from him and his brother and creating some sort of super fighter there isn't much he can do. I know we all want to see more agression and what not, but that's easy for us to say sitting here. When he's 70 sitting on top of a bunch of cash belts and two of david haye's bronzed braids in a case that he knocks off his dome and can still count his abc's and read to his grandchildren he see how smart of a move it is to hit and not get hit. I look at the sport different than most so most won't agree with me i know. I'm one of the one's who could watch a brutal KO or a twelve round decision doesn't matter to me. I like both aspects of the sport. When wlad was vulnerabe and getting beat by the likes of chris byrd no one had a problem with him. Now that he's upped his game to the point where he and his bro stand alone he's hated. Fighting for fans is always a loosing battle. I'd love to see more exciting hw fights but at the same time if i was in thier shoes i wouldn't change a thing.
No I don't. He needs a good dance partner.
that just about sums him up. his physical attributes are a major strength and he used them to full potential - and lets be honest who can blame him :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by porkypara
also suffered some massive KO defeats which fuels the argument as to why the hell he shouldn't change his tactics
An absolutely magnificent athlete, always fit and well trained, a consummate professional, a good advert for the sport of boxing ......... but, no, not an exciting fighter. Doesn't 'let it all hang out', there is no drama or electricity when he fights (probably because he is so much better than his opponents)
Bit like Jack Johnson really, easily the best and most dominant pro around and (maybe ironically) we are now clamouring for a Western black hope who will beat him !!!! Just to be controversial, there.
He's not exciting but I like watching functional and simplistic fighters.
I'm convinced that I am witnessing the zenith of sophistication.
I admire his dominance. His fights aren't exciting but then that's because most of Wlad's fights are the warfare equivalent of America taking on the Faroe Islands. It's just a case of routinely taking down the key strategical centres, airfields, power grids (or in the Faroe Isles case, farms and fields) etc from the safety of an offshore aircraft carrier and waiting for the little country to surrender to the inevitable.
If the country resists to the very end we might if we are lucky see the army going in to shoot the one remaning resister and plant a flag, but there are no tanks, infantry battles or anything exciting.
A couple times in the past a brave submarine managed to torpedo the carrier early and win a famous victory but the sonar detection has so vastly improved now that the chances of one getting near are minimal.
I'm guessing you wouldn't put out the money to see Wlad smash Haye on PPV?Quote:
Originally Posted by X
But since you are the master of filth and debauchery around these parts would you pay to see Wlad "smash" Hayden Panatierre live on PPV instead?:D
I pretty much think the same as most have already said. I like him as a man he comes across very well, and is the consumate proffesional and I respect his game, he's good at what he does. Is he exciting tho, NO. He obviously could be, but why change what's getting you the win at the end of the day. Hayes exciting, but that don't always win u fights.
Wlad isn't exciting but that doesn't mean he's not enjoyable to watch. Its up to his opponents to force him into another gear which people seem to forget that he's got much more than just his 1 2 but his 1 2 is good enoguh to beat everyone; why risk losing if ya can win without barely breaking a sweat and still sell 50000 tix easy. I doubt any one will actually be able to push him into another gear
For a guy with a purportedly exploitable chin he's alright. Takes two to tango and take advantage of that flaw...he can't be faulted for jabbing the life out of them when they try, and in some cases except their fate. Flaws make an exciting fighter, Peter, Sanders, Williamson among others made it so. We keep waiting for someone else to open that jack n' the box chin.
Holyfield is the most exciting hvy I've seen but Holmes, Byrd, Donald, Stewart 2, Valuev fights had me counting the blonde's vs brunettes in the crowd those nights. Yeh I know thats a stretch ;D
Totally effective. Totally Boring. Vitali is more exciting of the two. Haye will bring the excitement out of Wlad for sure, even if it's just for a few seconds of a few rounds, till he gets knocks out by Haye ;)
Trains hard and is effective but exciting he is not.
he takes no risks at all
exciting boxers takes risks
even when he gets knocked out he falls over after 1 punch, so there is never a battle
i mean i think that some people say the same thing about Floyd and to an extent it makes sense. but being exciting doesn't equate to being great.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
one thing though is that to me wlad has a bit of vulnerability to him, when i watch his fights, i think sometimes there is a chance he's going to be sparked, which makes his fight someone fun...at times. generally, though i agree with erics.
Not really, but its not entirely his fault.
I do like and respect his style, but for the style to be interesting, he needs to be against an opponent who poses a great threat to Wlad. I LOVE seeing a skilled boxer outfox a dangerous puncher/brawler/swarmer/ect. To me, that's the art of boxing at it's finest. But you need to have that worthy opponent to create that drama. I for one haven't felt that any of the guys Wlad has fought over the last few years have provided that kind of drama. Not that they are horrible opposition. I just think the Klitschko's are heads and shoulders above the rest of the HWs (literally and metaphorically of course).
Look at the most popular boxer of all time: Muhammad Ali. Watch his whole career. Not the most exciting fighter. He did everything that people shit on Wlad for doing: Not going for the finish, running, moving, not taking risks, ect. Frankly, a lot of his fights put me to sleep. But when he the opposition there: Liston, Foreman, Frazier, guys who posed a tangible threat to him, the style was a thing of beauty. And those are the fights people remember.
he does what he does well, he's gained from the time manny trained him and he knows his chin isnt the best. I dont get how people expect him to be exciting, history tells us its the smaller fighter who are more exciting, Tyson had great power, combos and ability to get in on the inside, Holyfield turned every fight into a war, Tommy Morrison would left hook you to death or get ko'd himself in bloody fashion....these guys were all small for heavyweights so what they had to do to win made them exciting......Wlad is 6'7 240lbs, Lennox lewis borring, so was Larry Holmes, i remeber Larry 1-2ing guys to death
just my 2 pence anyway
Yeah that's bs wlad has yet to be koed by one punchQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
he is not an unskilled boxer... but he is definetly not an exciting one... and calling a huge guy who plays it sometimes PAINFULLY safety first against smaller opponents (some who I class as overweight cruiserweights) a fighter is giving him more props than he needs.
In a nut shell:
Skilled boxer, shit fighter.
I'm not saying that this is a good or a bad thing... I'm just saying...
What ever works for him...
He's boring as hell and fights like a fucking pussy.
There I said what we all are thinking.
Its the truth.
perhaps not a one punch KO mate but as i remember as soon as sanders hit him once he started falling over, every time sam peter hit him or nearly hit him in the first fight he fell overQuote:
Originally Posted by arminYeah that's bs wlad has yet to be koed by one punchQuote:
Originally Posted by erics44
and i dont even remember brewster getting a full shot off on him, his punches were just close enough to make him fall over
yep wlad is very effective, i reckon on his day he could have lived with any heavyweight of any eraQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrati mean i think that some people say the same thing about Floyd and to an extent it makes sense. but being exciting doesn't equate to being great.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
one thing though is that to me wlad has a bit of vulnerability to him, when i watch his fights, i think sometimes there is a chance he's going to be sparked, which makes his fight someone fun...at times. generally, though i agree with erics.
and you are right, the only one thing that makes me watch is the fact that at any point in a fight a punch could almost hit him and he would fall appart
but for the most part his fights are dull and frustrating