Ok then, how would any of the following have done against jones??
Collins, benn?
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Ok then, how would any of the following have done against jones??
Collins, benn?
Jones Jr in his prime was just on another planet. I think he hands Eubank a KO in the late rounds after 2-3 competitive rounds and 4-5 where he took control of things.
I have to agree with nameless, jones jr in his prime was not of human origin, he was boxing in a totally different dimension at the time. I don't think I've ever seen anything like it before. It was special. Jones vs eubank. I love eubank but jones would toy with him.
Easy points win for Jones.
Jones did not like to take risks and nobody knocks out Eubank with one shot!
Jones.
Eubank says as much in his autobiography (A great read), saying that he would rather just take his manatory challengers than face Jones in a fight that he would only have a 10-20% chance of winning (That's Eubank's own, slightly misquoted words).
Not that I need Eubank saying that for me to know Jones would beat him, but when the guy himself says it, its pretty hard to argue.
Not far from what Jones himself did for a while, feed on trumped up mandatorys on HBOs plenty o' money. Jones was a great, he was also human. He psyched out and beat a half wilted Toney, props but every single opponent at 168 came with the exact same face first style, save for Lucas and I'm still trying to figure out what that was. Eubank was not this, far from it. Mentally & physically he had a shot albeit slim but Jones had not faced anything like Eubanks up till then, Toney and a still wet behind the ears Hopkins aside. On paper Jones takes wide 12, just wish he would have swept up fellow champs.
Jones UD ...a shut out!
I wouldn't doubt RJJ could have rocked Eubank and maybe even knocked him down a time or two, but Roy would put it on cruise control and coast to a UD.
.....I bet old Eubank would fancy his chances now though
Jones wins landslide point win with knockdowns
120 - 106
not even close
Jones wins ever round against Eubank and Stops Benn imo
Eubanks could not handle Herol Graham, so prime Jones would bamboozle Eubanks, he could not deal with that style. He had a great chin, that would save him from being KOed but he may have got stopped late on by the fer too. Eubanks did have that punch which he pulled out against Watson, could Roy survive that uppercut, probably not, but he would not get hit.
Eubank sparked Bomber in sparring.
Jones beats Eubank but he's not stopping him. Behave.
Agree with this statement !Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Eubanks chin was awesome, his heart and willing to pull through was immense, his fights with Carl Thompson proved as much!
Collins get's owned by Jones. Imo Benn gives Jones the hardest fight in their pomp. Very few gave Benn a chance against DeWitt, but proved he could into the lions den and take the title.
Benn was a bit of an Enigma. Destroyed Barkley in 1 round, excellent against DeWitt, we all know what haappended against McClellan, but then awful against Watson and Malinga for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanAgree with this statement !Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Eubanks chin was awesome, his heart and willing to pull through was immense, his fights with Carl Thompson proved as much!
Collins get's owned by Jones. Imo Benn gives Jones the hardest fight in their pomp. Very few gave Benn a chance against DeWitt, but proved he could into the lions den and take the title.
The possessed Benn that fought McClellan would take some beating, but I still think Jones would take him to pieces
Agree that RJJ no way stop Eubank. He would win every round though imo.
Benn and Eubank is one of my favourite eras in any weight division, but apart from Benn beating McClellan, neither have a truly great name on their resume.
They both lose to McCallum, Toney, Nunn or RJJ imo
Yea Enigma is one word ya could use to describe Benn. The Malinga loss was a real shocker, and to be fair Watson was a fantastic boxer and was beating Eubank before that awful finish. The Benn that fought McClellan would of pushed Jones Jnr, wheather it would of been enough to win.... well thats anyones guess, but im sure we would all agree it would of been one hell of a fight while it lasted ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HBenn was a bit of an Enigma. Destroyed Barkley in 1 round, excellent against DeWitt, we all know what haappended against McClellan, but then awful against Watson and Malinga for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanAgree with this statement !Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Eubanks chin was awesome, his heart and willing to pull through was immense, his fights with Carl Thompson proved as much!
Collins get's owned by Jones. Imo Benn gives Jones the hardest fight in their pomp. Very few gave Benn a chance against DeWitt, but proved he could into the lions den and take the title.
The possessed Benn that fought McClellan would take some beating, but I still think Jones would take him to pieces
Agree that RJJ no way stop Eubank. He would win every round though imo.
Benn and Eubank is one of my favourite eras in any weight division, but apart from Benn beating McClellan, neither have a truly great name on their resume.
They both lose to McCallum, Toney, Nunn or RJJ imo
Funny this thread popped up when I first joined this place. I've come full circle :D
Roy was Superman. No fighter around in his prime beats him. No way.
I would say Jones, just. I think people underestimate Eubank, he was a beast
Herol Graham said he was only knocked down, and apart from that he gave Chris Eubank a boxing lesson in sparring apparently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
How was the Thulani Malinga loss a shocker ? Nigel Benn was lucky to get the decision against Thulani Malinga when he was at his peak.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanYea Enigma is one word ya could use to describe Benn. The Malinga loss was a real shocker, and to be fair Watson was a fantastic boxer and was beating Eubank before that awful finish. The Benn that fought McClellan would of pushed Jones Jnr, wheather it would of been enough to win.... well thats anyones guess, but im sure we would all agree it would of been one hell of a fight while it lasted ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HBenn was a bit of an Enigma. Destroyed Barkley in 1 round, excellent against DeWitt, we all know what haappended against McClellan, but then awful against Watson and Malinga for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanAgree with this statement !Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Eubanks chin was awesome, his heart and willing to pull through was immense, his fights with Carl Thompson proved as much!
Collins get's owned by Jones. Imo Benn gives Jones the hardest fight in their pomp. Very few gave Benn a chance against DeWitt, but proved he could into the lions den and take the title.
The possessed Benn that fought McClellan would take some beating, but I still think Jones would take him to pieces
Agree that RJJ no way stop Eubank. He would win every round though imo.
Benn and Eubank is one of my favourite eras in any weight division, but apart from Benn beating McClellan, neither have a truly great name on their resume.
They both lose to McCallum, Toney, Nunn or RJJ imo
Benn at his peak against Malinga? Don't be silly. This was after the career ending war with McClellan.
Graham schooled Eubank. Eubank sparked Graham. Whatever you choose to believe...
Fenster i meant the 1st fight, which is why i said Nigel Benn was lucky to get the decision. It was actually a bit like the Michael Watson fight, Thulani Malinga covered up in a peek a boo like defence as Michael Watson did. And countered punched very effectively on and off the ropes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Oh right, I'll let you off. It was a close-ish fight but not a shocking robbery or anything like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBFenster i meant the 1st fight, which is why i said Nigel Benn was lucky to get the decision. It was actually a bit like the Michael Watson fight, Thulani Malinga covered up in a peek a boo like defence as Michael Watson did. And countered punched very effectively on and off the ropes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Was it that fight Benn floored him?
What, Benn lost a SD to Malinga, so how was he lucky to get the decision :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHow was the Thulani Malinga loss a shocker ? Nigel Benn was lucky to get the decision against Thulani Malinga when he was at his peak.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanYea Enigma is one word ya could use to describe Benn. The Malinga loss was a real shocker, and to be fair Watson was a fantastic boxer and was beating Eubank before that awful finish. The Benn that fought McClellan would of pushed Jones Jnr, wheather it would of been enough to win.... well thats anyones guess, but im sure we would all agree it would of been one hell of a fight while it lasted ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HBenn was a bit of an Enigma. Destroyed Barkley in 1 round, excellent against DeWitt, we all know what haappended against McClellan, but then awful against Watson and Malinga for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanAgree with this statement !Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Eubanks chin was awesome, his heart and willing to pull through was immense, his fights with Carl Thompson proved as much!
Collins get's owned by Jones. Imo Benn gives Jones the hardest fight in their pomp. Very few gave Benn a chance against DeWitt, but proved he could into the lions den and take the title.
The possessed Benn that fought McClellan would take some beating, but I still think Jones would take him to pieces
Agree that RJJ no way stop Eubank. He would win every round though imo.
Benn and Eubank is one of my favourite eras in any weight division, but apart from Benn beating McClellan, neither have a truly great name on their resume.
They both lose to McCallum, Toney, Nunn or RJJ imo
Benn had not lost a bout for about 5-6 years before that loss, Eubank i believe was the loss before that one. So to lose to Malinga, who was not at all rated by many was a shocker imo. I guess you rate Malinga as a world beater then ?
Im guessing ya refering to the the bout in 92 which Benn won, then once again I stick to my guns and say it was a shocker to lose to him later in his career ;)
Nah it was the 2nd fight he floored him mate, the 1st fight wasn't a robbery but i did feel Thulani Malinga edged it. His counter punching was top notch in that fight, very underrated was Thulani Malinga who also beat Robin Reid when he was like 40+.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterOh right, I'll let you off. It was a close-ish fight but not a shocking robbery or anything like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBFenster i meant the 1st fight, which is why i said Nigel Benn was lucky to get the decision. It was actually a bit like the Michael Watson fight, Thulani Malinga covered up in a peek a boo like defence as Michael Watson did. And countered punched very effectively on and off the ropes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Was it that fight Benn floored him?
Nigel Benn was showing signs though of slowing down, after the Gerald McClellan fight. Because he was getting rocked by fighter's like Danny Perez. But i did like Nigel Benn's entrance music for that fight, been meaning to find out the song. And the infamous Tony Tucker walking him to the ring ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanWhat, Benn lost a SD to Malinga, so how was he lucky to get the decision :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHow was the Thulani Malinga loss a shocker ? Nigel Benn was lucky to get the decision against Thulani Malinga when he was at his peak.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanYea Enigma is one word ya could use to describe Benn. The Malinga loss was a real shocker, and to be fair Watson was a fantastic boxer and was beating Eubank before that awful finish. The Benn that fought McClellan would of pushed Jones Jnr, wheather it would of been enough to win.... well thats anyones guess, but im sure we would all agree it would of been one hell of a fight while it lasted ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HBenn was a bit of an Enigma. Destroyed Barkley in 1 round, excellent against DeWitt, we all know what haappended against McClellan, but then awful against Watson and Malinga for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanAgree with this statement !Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Eubanks chin was awesome, his heart and willing to pull through was immense, his fights with Carl Thompson proved as much!
Collins get's owned by Jones. Imo Benn gives Jones the hardest fight in their pomp. Very few gave Benn a chance against DeWitt, but proved he could into the lions den and take the title.
The possessed Benn that fought McClellan would take some beating, but I still think Jones would take him to pieces
Agree that RJJ no way stop Eubank. He would win every round though imo.
Benn and Eubank is one of my favourite eras in any weight division, but apart from Benn beating McClellan, neither have a truly great name on their resume.
They both lose to McCallum, Toney, Nunn or RJJ imo
Benn had not lost a bout for about 5-6 years before that loss, Eubank i believe was the loss before that one. So to lose to Malinga, who was not at all rated by many was a shocker imo. I guess you rate Malinga as a world beater then ?
Im guessing ya refering to the the bout in 92 which Benn won, then once again I stick to my guns and say it was a shocker to lose to him later in his career ;)
WOW, people seem to be forgetting how good Chris Eubank was??
Eubank's perception of space, speed out of the pocket and incredible reflexes make this an extremely difficult task for Jones Jr. Remember Jones Jr said himself in '93 that Eubank was the one guy who'd give him real problems.
It would be exceptionally dangerous for Jones Jr to leap in with the hook from outside much against Eubank, as was his forte, because Eubank had about the sneakiest counter overarm right I've ever seen. I do fancy Roy to out-work him though, trebling and quadrupling hooks whenever inside.
That sums up your knowledge of boxing , if anything the Eubank did was the best you have ever seen!Quote:
Originally Posted by berry
Eubank wouldnt even come close to winning a round, he wasnt even close to being as good as Roy.
Dan Schommer schooled Eubank , so what chance has he got against Roy.
Anyway to sum up go and do your homework before school tommorow, leave the forum for the adults.
Eubanks had beautiful straight technical punches, he almost sat back and admired them too much they were that perfect. He lacked stamina but iron chin and a heart of a lion would have given Roy issues. Not enough to win the fight.
Oh dear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlThat sums up your knowledge of boxing , if anything the Eubank did was the best you have ever seen!Quote:
Originally Posted by berry
Eubank wouldnt even come close to winning a round, he wasnt even close to being as good as Roy.
Dan Schommer schooled Eubank , so what chance has he got against Roy.
Anyway to sum up go and do your homework before school tommorow, leave the forum for the adults.
Show me a shorter, less telegraphed overarm right power punch and I'll eat my shoes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6-o1XWuw88
5:46
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC_q7QrGF04
5:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj9c9yQUiBo
3:01
Nice to see you again WWatt.Quote:
Originally Posted by berry
I saw a few of Benn and Eubanks fights live including their first fight against each other. Eubank V Watson II and Benn V McClellan - three of the best fights I have ever seen.
Hmmm ... Eubank liked to set the pace and take breathers during rounds and sometimes for whole rounds. Watson knew that to beat him you would have to make him work harder than he wanted too - every minute of every round. Would Jones have done that ? I still think Jones wins but he does not stop Eubank in fact I don't see him scoring a knock down. Benn hits like a truck and couldn't do it in two fights (forget the knockdown in the first fight it was more a slip). Jones on points comfortably but not by a landslide. Eubank has always been underrated in my opinion - the comment made about his understanding of space and distance is spot on. You really had to see him fight live to appreciate how clever he could be.
Jones V Benn I'd be honest I'd only give Nige an outside punchers chance. Although he showed impressive ability to take punshment against the G - Man he was caught and hurt a few times in fights by fighters not considred heavy handed. I have a vision of something simmilar to the Watson fight with Benn attempting to take Jones head off frantically early on - his only chance or he gets outboxed. Jones rides the storm and stops a stamina drained Benn in 5 or 6 rounds.
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/4719/rjjt.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by berry
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