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Right so I'm watching Ringside Rivalries on ESPN and just watched the fight where Dempsey loses to Tunney (spoilers ?!?!? :confused:) for first time.
It says Dempsey hadn't fought for 3 years before the fight. I'm like wtf ?!?!? Lazy get. This guy makes David Haye look over bastard active !!
I know quite a bit about the past era in boxing eg who beat who etc.. kind of records people had BUT I never knew this before tonight.
Lazy arse get :rolleyes:
you do know he had exhibitions, made movies, and traveling all over the place in those 3 years right? and at least when he finally came to defend his title he did it against a great fighter in Tunney not like Haye who's only defenses have been an old used up Ruiz and a never was Harrison :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Also they actually had a hard time getting anyone to fight Jack....I mean this guy really scared the shit out of peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou do know he had exhibitions, made movies, and traveling all over the place in those 3 years right? and at least when he finally came to defend his title he did it against a great fighter in Tunney not like Haye who's only defenses have been an old used up Ruiz and a never was Harrison :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
read that he used to chew on leather to strengthen up his jaw lol, crazy shit, and i wouldn't doubt people were scared of him after the way he ko'd WillardQuote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnAlso they actually had a hard time getting anyone to fight Jack....I mean this guy really scared the shit out of peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou do know he had exhibitions, made movies, and traveling all over the place in those 3 years right? and at least when he finally came to defend his title he did it against a great fighter in Tunney not like Haye who's only defenses have been an old used up Ruiz and a never was Harrison :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Dempsey was also a draft dodger (it was a big scandal at the time)..... I wonder what would have happened if Harry Greb lived to maybe fight as a heavyweight. Dempsey-Greb would have been a brawl.
Dempsey was not a draft dodger. He was acquitted in court when it came to light that his first wife had made the accusations when he refused to give her more money after their divorce. Dempsey was originally given anexemption from the draft as he was the sole provider for his wife, his parents, and his sisters. After their divorce his wife claimed he had never supported her, which was disproved. Also, it was shown that he had, in fact, volunteered to enlist in the navy (i believe it was) but that the war ended before his application was processed.
But he did serve in World War II and after a stint as a phys ed instructor he actually saw combat at almost 50 years old.Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Also there is no doubt in my mind Dempsey used illegal wraps/horse shoe/something illegal in his fight with Willard. He did a lot of permanent facial damage to Willard in that fight. Absolutely disgusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
AND before he became famous Dempsey used to pimp out his wife to other men to have sex with for money. Desperate times call for desperate measures but still thats pretty screwed up.
Dempsey was an animal and quite a fighter, but he was not the best person. Far from it. Kind of a scum bag.
yes i know about the movies exhibitions and travelling.
was a bit tipsy last night when i wrote this. Wasnt really having a go at Dempsey directly just amazed that the set up at the time meant he didn't have to defend for 3 years.
Different times I know but come on 3 years !
There's a lot of thing you can read up on Dempsey's career which make you wonder exactly why he was rated so highly. I gotta be honest, I never ever consider him when I think of Great Heavyweight Fighters, Boxers or even Champions.
yeah know what you mean I don't either - but recognize that foe his era he was a monsterQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel Boogustus
No he was not a dodger but there was that scandal where he was supposed to be working with the common man donned a pair pf over alls grabbed a sledgehamme etc...then people realized the shiny top class dress shoes he was wearing in the picture!!Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Also the fact that he would not face any black boxer did not help.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnAlso they actually had a hard time getting anyone to fight Jack....I mean this guy really scared the shit out of peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou do know he had exhibitions, made movies, and traveling all over the place in those 3 years right? and at least when he finally came to defend his title he did it against a great fighter in Tunney not like Haye who's only defenses have been an old used up Ruiz and a never was Harrison :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Willard who held the title before jack was very inactive as well.
Very true...Quote:
Originally Posted by porkyparaAlso the fact that he would not face any black boxer did not help.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaxxKahnAlso they actually had a hard time getting anyone to fight Jack....I mean this guy really scared the shit out of peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesyou do know he had exhibitions, made movies, and traveling all over the place in those 3 years right? and at least when he finally came to defend his title he did it against a great fighter in Tunney not like Haye who's only defenses have been an old used up Ruiz and a never was Harrison :-XQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Willard who held the title before jack was very inactive as well.
He also only fought 10 round heavyweight championship bouts, scandalous.
Dempsey would gladly have faced any fighter- be he black, green or orange. His promoter and manager, however, were interested in making only the most lucrative bouts, and, sadly, Harry Wills didn't draw so the fight never happened. At one point $225,000 was put up to secure the fight but the rest of the financial obligations could not be met so the fight never happened. Then Wills lost- to Sharkey, I think, and removed himself from contention.
Dempsey was the original hand wrapped Margarito. Disgraceful.
Worse ! Far worse !Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
He did permenant damage to Jess Willard, who was too proud and too stupid to stay down.
I thought all this handwrap stuff in the Willard fight was all rumors? Was it ever proven or just hearsay?
Because I remember reading somewhere that Willard's side started the rumor to tear down Dempsey? Dempsey was considered to be the Mike Tyson of his day. All out exciting style that really made boxing very popular among the masses, he was even more popular than Babe Ruth himself.
Willard claimed Dempsey wrapped his hands with plaster of paris and Dempsey denied it. Doc Kearns also denied it until years later when he was broke and did an interview in Sports Illustrated, which was generally not considered to be truthful. I don't think that Kearns even mentioned it in his book, and in his book he liberally rewrote the history of every Dempsey fight so that Dempsey was far behind, on the verge of being knocked out, etc... when Kearns's great advice in the corner saved the day. After making great money with Dempsey, and good money with Maxim and Archie Moore, Kearns became a very bitter man.
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Originally Posted by greynotsoold
All true about Kearns, tho I didn't know about the book. He became broke and would say/do anything for money. Including selling Dempsey down the river.
Kearns even claimed he could replicate the procedure used to make the plaster a paris for Dempseys gloves years later in front of sports writers, but failed to do so and the material did not harden like it was supposed to.
As far as the illegal wraps go, Willard said so, Kearns said so(tho he may not be reliable) and common sense tells you that Dempsey was never able to replicate a vicious performance quite like the Willard one, and the did such a vast amount of damage to Willard's face and body that he was hitting him with something more than just fists.
I thought Doc hid a railroad spike in the thumb of the glove for the Willard fight?
Dempsey-Johnson would have been a great style matchup.
I also think Gene Tunney gets far too little credit for beating both Greb and Dempsey. He was a Klitschko of his day, smart, well read, and fans never fully appreciated him.
Fact was that there was never any reliable evidence that Dempsey loaded his gloves besides the he said she said accusations from a guy that got his ass whipped and lost the most coveted title in all of sports (HW championship) and from a disgruntled manager. Just sounds like sour grapes to me.
Something to consider about the damage done by Dempsey's punches: he was a very powerful man, despite weighing only 190 pounds. Between fights he worked a variety of jobs, among them being a bouncer in a 'house of ill repute', where he met his first wife. Typically he lived in mining camps and he said that his favorite job in the mines was 'mucking', which is shoveling rock into one ton ore carts all day long. He would seek out mucking jobs because it developed his shoulders and back.
Dempsey's "Hobo" life probably caused a lot of the issues he faced later on. Like most boxers he had bad habits, trusted bad people, and knew nothing but that type of lifestyle.
Klitschko of his day hahaha !Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I'll have to remember that one. ;D
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Originally Posted by Master
He did fight Tommy Gibbons he beat him rather easily over fifteen rounds.
I was trying to be sarcastic, guess it failed. :-\Quote:
Originally Posted by The FightfanQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
He did fight Tommy Gibbons he beat him rather easily over fifteen rounds.
Thought I'd bump this as I've just read an article about Dempsey and the Willard fight. It debunks Kearns' claim that he loaded Dempsey's wraps. It also seems that Willard's injuries were exaggerated
Were Dempsey's Gloves Loaded? You Decide!