I'm looking forward to it. I expect Lemieux to win, but I bet it will be a scrap while it lasts. Who do you guys pick?
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I'm looking forward to it. I expect Lemieux to win, but I bet it will be a scrap while it lasts. Who do you guys pick?
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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Agreed. Rubio can crack. David is one of my favourite fighters. Bone crushing power in both hands.
lol, your could at least write their name correctly in the title :P
Give me a break. It's a French name involving 3 of the most difficult vowels to put together and judging by his tag he's not a Canadian like we are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloking
Lemieux really really lacks rounds. Uphill battle for capable boxing Rubio but this isn't some tubby 'not my Father' Camacho jr in there. Just hope Rubio doesn't shell up like he did vs Pavliks power. Think it will be a good scrap
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
That's a really good point. David is already spouting off about Martinez. Concentrate on the task at hand.
Lemieux is young and I think he's full of confidence.
He's deadly with both hands. Can catch you with the left hook or flatten you with a straight right...
Rubio for the long career he's had and all.
Everytime I see his name only one thing springs to mind.
The brutal KO he suffered vs. Kofi... Ouch!
But he can def. bang too so Lemieux better put on his best chin.
For those who have not seen it. One of the worst you will see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Oi5uqwc0m4
Absolutely. Rubio is a good measuring stick and how many vaunted punchers have we seen fall flat when the higher tier refuses to stick to the script. As much as Lemieux is improving...so his Martinez...and he's not ready for that, not just yet. Walk then run.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
That's a really good point. David is already spouting off about Martinez. Concentrate on the task at hand.
Elo - I'm probably the only non-Canadian on this board that consistently roots for Bute. I've been to Montreal and its a class town. So, believe me when I say the misspelling was just a mistake. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Eloking
Why is it a Philly based American is bringing up Lemieux's fight this weekend anyway? ;)
Agreed - Very good point on the rounds. He needs a fight to go five or six rounds and Rubio should go five or six. It'll be impressive if Lemieux sparks him fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliAbsolutely. Rubio is a good measuring stick and how many vaunted punchers have we seen fall flat when the higher tier refuses to stick to the script. As much as Lemieux is improving...so his Martinez...and he's not ready for that, not just yet. Walk then run.Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
That's a really good point. David is already spouting off about Martinez. Concentrate on the task at hand.
Now, what we haven't seen Lemieux in with yet is a quality mover. He needs to face a couple of fighters with that style before stepping into the ring with Martinez. Do we even know how capable he is at cutting off the ring?
I'm personally of the opinion that Lemieux is way too predictable, there's too much 1-2 left hook/uppercut. But what he does have is that power & I think he stops Rubio within 4, probably in the 2nd round.
I think Martinez would ruin him though
I agree it appears that way at times. So far its worked. Its like he has to fight that way. He's only got a 64 inch reach. That's very short for a middleweight. I think his style revolves around that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Yeah he does have freakishly short arms. Compare that he's an inch taller than Mosley with a reach 10 inches shorter :oQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI agree it appears that way at times. So far its worked. Its like he has to fight that way. He's only got a 64 inch reach. That's very short for a middleweight. I think his style revolves around that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Still, he needs to find a way to be more unpredictable. Obviously it will carry him a certain way, but he can't be doing that against a guy like Martinez or even someone like Kirkland who could feasibly trade with him there. I've often wondered if he couldn't make it down to 154, he doesn't look like he struggles to 160 although maybe that's part of where his power comes from.
Indeed. You can only get so far with a punch. In Davids case his stumps for arms are part of the power package but also his greatest weakness.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinYeah he does have freakishly short arms. Compare that he's an inch taller than Mosley with a reach 10 inches shorter :oQuote:
Originally Posted by IamInuitI agree it appears that way at times. So far its worked. Its like he has to fight that way. He's only got a 64 inch reach. That's very short for a middleweight. I think his style revolves around that.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Still, he needs to find a way to be more unpredictable. Obviously it will carry him a certain way, but he can't be doing that against a guy like Martinez or even someone like Kirkland who could feasibly trade with him there. I've often wondered if he couldn't make it down to 154, he doesn't look like he struggles to 160 although maybe that's part of where his power comes from.
This should be on ESPN UK.
Btw, for those who doesn't know this yet, this fight is for the WBC Title eliminator.
About the fight, if Rubio can pass the first half unhurt, he'll force Lemieux in a situation where he's never been before. Still, I'm pretty sure it'll not happen. Lemieux is one of the best at "controlling" the ring I ever saw. Rarely I've seen an opponent that could avoid the rope and the corner for a whole round. And the guy doesn't stop no matter what you thrown at him...
I'm pretty sure this fight will end around the 7th or the 8th. But who know, after all this is boxing.
This means that if Lemieux wins, he'll face whom?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloking
After Rubio, Gym want to send Lemieux again the winner of Chavez-Zbik (I took this from Jacques Thériault from CKAC: Lemieux frappe-t-il vraiment à la porte des grands? - CKAC Sports - Jacques Thériault).
After that, the WBC champ is Martinez. So if Lemieux win this fight, he'll have to face the champ later this year, unless I'm forgetting something.
As far as I'm aware I think it's being shown on Saturday/Sunday at some point, I'll check the details and post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Saturday 9th April
2:00 AM BSThttp://tv.espn.co.uk/wp-content/them...es/icon_hd.gif
FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS
Rubio v Lemeiux
The WBC middleweight title eliminator bout between the unbeaten Canadian David Lemieux and Mexico's Marco Antonio Rubio at the Bell Centre in Montreal.
Duration : 120 mins
Lemieux is getting a little cocky. First he says he'd break down Martinez and stop him, and now he says he'd beat Bute up.
David Lemieux: "I See The Flaws in Lucian Bute" - Boxing News
Sergio would beat David on Sat night and twice by dinner time on Sun. Was actually liking the kid until now.
Some points I would like to make.
Lemieux's reach or lack of, is more of a product of having narrow forward sloping shoulders than short arms.
Rubio's loss to Jantuah was 7 years ago. He was caught cold early but has shown a steady set of whiskers since. Plus he is more wiley and knows how to survive. He is currently underrated as a fighter.
I believe Lemieux will have his hands full and I would not be surprised if he gets taken into deep waters. I simply do not expect a blowout. Rubio does have a bag of tricks and he knows this is his final stand.
Nicely stated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrw
hehe I think his brashness is all due to one interview, where the guy was asking him "How would you fair against....?" questions and Lemieux would give a reason on why he thinks he can beat them. Of course he would not come out and say he would lose to them. This is the press kinda making him look like an a$$. They then create multiple headline stories making it look like he is out there trying to brag himself up.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
He's French. Their smack talk sucks lol.
Yeah I agree with that. The interviewer is quida at fault for asking questions like "Will you beat this champ?", "How will you beat it?" etc. Of course, Lemieux could have been more humble and say he would have a hard time about them and blablabla but anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deanrwhehe I think his brashness is all due to one interview, where the guy was asking him "How would you fair against....?" questions and Lemieux would give a reason on why he thinks he can beat them. Of course he would not come out and say he would lose to them. This is the press kinda making him look like an a$$. They then create multiple headline stories making it look like he is out there trying to brag himself up.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I like this kid, got real potential for World titles. A little in-experienced still, but this should be a good yard stick of where he's at. He seems to have been brought on well, dont know if a title shot by the end of the year would be a good thing, but what the hell, he will need to make that step up at some point.
Lemieux to win with 5th rd stoppage.
Came across this article in the Winnipeg press stating he will look to move up to SMW next year:
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/spo...119434549.html
Sounds crazy considering his reach, didnt realise weight was such an issue for him. I know he started as a LMW, must be growing into his body some if within 2 yrs he wants to be fighting at SMW.
Lemieux might get caught for the first time in this one - he's only 22 - but he's going to win anyways. No comparaison with JCC imo.
Nice paper there Mattyhitman.
I'm also quite surprised to hear that they are thinking about moving up a weight class. But I don't worry too much about his reach, it won't help him much in his in-boxing style.
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Originally Posted by Eloking
Well this is true, Lemieux's style is as an inside fighter. What caught my eye about him originally was the comparison I could make with our very own Ricky Hatton. Both great inside fighters with devastating left hooks to the body followed by the lethal uppercut!
As long as he cuts the ring off and gets inside the jab then he will cause any fighter problems ( which he has shown to date very capabaly ). Once inside not many MW's will be able to handle the body/head combo punishment he can dish out.
I agree but I don't believe he should move up to SMW yet. He's got good fights at MW and he may be stronger than most MW's, but when he goes higher in weight, his power may more average, at least until his body fills out more. He should be angling for a fight with the Chavez Jr. v. Zbik winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Eloking
Well this is true, Lemieux's style is as an inside fighter. What caught my eye about him originally was the comparison I could make with our very own Ricky Hatton. Both great inside fighters with devastating left hooks to the body followed by the lethal uppercut!
As long as he cuts the ring off and gets inside the jab then he will cause any fighter problems ( which he has shown to date very capabaly ). Once inside not many MW's will be able to handle the body/head combo punishment he can dish out.
Yea I totally agree, he should remain at this weight and consolidate his position on the World stage before attempting to move up.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI agree but I don't believe he should move up to SMW yet. He's got good fights at MW and he may be stronger than most MW's, but when he goes higher in weight, his power may more average, at least until his body fills out more. He should be angling for a fight with the Chavez Jr. v. Zbik winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattyhitmanQuote:
Originally Posted by Eloking
Well this is true, Lemieux's style is as an inside fighter. What caught my eye about him originally was the comparison I could make with our very own Ricky Hatton. Both great inside fighters with devastating left hooks to the body followed by the lethal uppercut!
As long as he cuts the ring off and gets inside the jab then he will cause any fighter problems ( which he has shown to date very capabaly ). Once inside not many MW's will be able to handle the body/head combo punishment he can dish out.
Thing with him he has moved up comfortably from LMW to MW and made the transition seamlessly. The lad is obviously still growing, and just like Amir Khan, he could bulk out quite significantly in the next year or two. As ya mention though the question will come..... can he carry the power through to SMW?? Only time will tell.
If Rubio can keep his distance early and pop that jab..............meh why bother thinking about it? He can't do either of those things.
Lemieux early KO. Still, Rubio has some definite power if allowed to stand his ground, so it might be an interesting one although more likely a one sided blowout with Rubio trying to defend the way he did against Pavlik.
Should be a good main event, just like last week. Although, Lemiuex could KO Rubio early like Kofi Jantuah did to him a few years ago as CutmeMick mentioned.
Kinda hope Rubio tests him, maybe pulls the upset. Probably too shopworn and slow to do so though.
Lemiuex needs someone who can box and move to really test him. He'll blow out any B-level gate-keeper fighters who decide to stand and trade with him.
If Lemiuex keeps fighting like this he is going to get brutally KO'd by a counter-punch at some point in his career.
Rubio seems to be moving well too, he's got a good gameplan.
This is an eliminator? For which belt? Lemiuex is NOT ready for a title shot.
What an awful stoppage by the corner.
Either way, great win for Rubio. Gotta love seeing the aging underdog pull off the upset.
Rubio very classy in victory as well, gotta love the guy.
I'm talking to myself like I'm Spicoli here...