No comments regarding Tomasz adamek vs kevin mcbride???

I saw the fight and was surprised that no one made a thread to discuss it (unless I missed something)

Does anyone want to discuss Adamek's recent performance?

Where you impressed?
Does his performance change your opinion for how he will do against Vitali (better or worse)?

I will start by saying that I think Adamek did as good a job as he could.
I think his skills are right on, but at the risk of beating a dead horse, I think he seemed too small, and that will likely be the deciding factor when it comes time for the fight with Vitali.

is kevin "bakin' a betty crocker vanilla cake" McBride still fightin? holy maackerel.

Adamek has heart and talent, but unless he is absolutely 100% dedicated to trying to outbox Vitali.....naaaaah even then he's in for a long night. IMO Vitali isn't the type of guy that has a fight get out of control from just 1 big punch or 1 big round from another fighter. Vitali is calm and collected and let's face facts Adamek couldn't KO Grant or McBride 2 guys known for getting hurt A LOT....he's not going to hurt Vitali unless Vitali hurts himself (that scenario is the most likely cause of a Vitali defeat IMO).

Vitali is a very dangerous fight for Adamek especially if Vitali actually sits down on a punch which he doesn't do all that much anymore.

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Where you impressed?
Does his performance change your opinion for how he will do against Vitali (better or worse)?

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I was not impressed. But then again, what would you expect from Adamek, he is not a KO machine known for his bone crushing power. What he will bring against Vitali is a skilled and in shape fighter with SPEED for 12 rounds (unlike most of Vitali's latest opponents).

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Where you impressed?
Does his performance change your opinion for how he will do against Vitali (better or worse)?

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I was not impressed. But then again, what would you expect from Adamek, he is not a KO machine known for his bone crushing power. What he will bring against Vitali is a skilled and in shape fighter with SPEED for 12 rounds (unlike most of Vitali's latest opponents).

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Adamek is obviously quick and in shape, but the 12 rounds part is HIGHLY debateable due to Vitali's KO ratio and Adamek's natural size. Adamek COULD last 12 rounds if Vitali doesn't land anything significant but once again odds aren't supporting that happening.

Adamek has to stick and move, and no panic when hurt...he's got to have a plan of action for when Vitali lands and follow it no matter what. I think it's brave for Adamek to take this fight, but I don't see him having much of a chance at all I say Vitali's chances of winning the fight are about 98% to Adamek's 2%.

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Where you impressed?
Does his performance change your opinion for how he will do against Vitali (better or worse)?

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I was not impressed. But then again, what would you expect from Adamek, he is not a KO machine known for his bone crushing power. What he will bring against Vitali is a skilled and in shape fighter with SPEED for 12 rounds (unlike most of Vitali's latest opponents).

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Adamek is obviously quick and in shape, but the 12 rounds part is HIGHLY debateable due to Vitali's KO ratio and Adamek's natural size. Adamek COULD last 12 rounds if Vitali doesn't land anything significant but once again odds aren't supporting that happening.

Adamek has to stick and move, and no panic when hurt...he's got to have a plan of action for when Vitali lands and follow it no matter what. I think it's brave for Adamek to take this fight, but I don't see him having much of a chance at all I say Vitali's chances of winning the fight are about 98% to Adamek's 2%.

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2% really Lyle ?

Thats fucking nonsense and you know it. Obviously, you've got to favor Vitali for his sheer size, power and reach. But the man is quite mechanical and getting up there in age.

Adamek proved that he does not "panic" when he's hit hard, seein as Arreola smashed on him a few times, and Golota connected as well, both big punchers.

I'd say Adamek has at least a good 30% chance of winning maybe more. He has good stamina and could outbox Vitali, but its going to require a lot of getin in and getin out and he could get caught on the way in with a big straight right hand.

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2% really Lyle ?

Thats fucking nonsense and you know it. Obviously, you've got to favor Vitali for his sheer size, power and reach. But the man is quite mechanical and getting up there in age.

Adamek proved that he does not "panic" when he's hit hard, seein as Arreola smashed on him a few times, and Golota connected as well, both big punchers.

I'd say Adamek has at least a good 30% chance of winning maybe more. He has good stamina and could outbox Vitali, but its going to require a lot of getin in and getin out and he could get caught on the way in with a big straight right hand.

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No it's not nonsense because Adamek isn't known for his defense and well Vitali isn't known for losing rounds. It's not as if Arreola was blown out by Adamek...Tomaz scraped by with a Majority Decision.

I give Adamek 1.5% chance of winning by decision and a .5% chance of winning by stoppage....I'm not saying I'm certain Vitali will stop Adamek....well yeah, let's go with I'm CERTAIN Vitali will stop Adamek...sig bet?

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Where you impressed?
Does his performance change your opinion for how he will do against Vitali (better or worse)?

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I was not impressed. But then again, what would you expect from Adamek, he is not a KO machine known for his bone crushing power. What he will bring against Vitali is a skilled and in shape fighter with SPEED for 12 rounds (unlike most of Vitali's latest opponents).

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Adamek is obviously quick and in shape, but the 12 rounds part is HIGHLY debateable due to Vitali's KO ratio and Adamek's natural size. Adamek COULD last 12 rounds if Vitali doesn't land anything significant but once again odds aren't supporting that happening.

Adamek has to stick and move, and no panic when hurt...he's got to have a plan of action for when Vitali lands and follow it no matter what. I think it's brave for Adamek to take this fight, but I don't see him having much of a chance at all I say Vitali's chances of winning the fight are about 98% to Adamek's 2%.

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Vitali will be 40 when he fights Adamek, and he won't bring the same punching power that used to knock his previous opponents out. He is not sitting down on his punches anymore (something that is happening with Tua) and if Adamek can neutralize Vitali's pawing jab, its a long night.

2%, come on, at heavyweight everybody has 2% chance. I would say its 70-30 in Klitschko's favor.

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2% really Lyle ?

Thats fucking nonsense and you know it. Obviously, you've got to favor Vitali for his sheer size, power and reach. But the man is quite mechanical and getting up there in age.

Adamek proved that he does not "panic" when he's hit hard, seein as Arreola smashed on him a few times, and Golota connected as well, both big punchers.

I'd say Adamek has at least a good 30% chance of winning maybe more. He has good stamina and could outbox Vitali, but its going to require a lot of getin in and getin out and he could get caught on the way in with a big straight right hand.

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No it's not nonsense because Adamek isn't known for his defense and well Vitali isn't known for losing rounds. It's not as if Arreola was blown out by Adamek...Tomaz scraped by with a Majority Decision.

I give Adamek 1.5% chance of winning by decision and a .5% chance of winning by stoppage....I'm not saying I'm certain Vitali will stop Adamek....well yeah, let's go with I'm CERTAIN Vitali will stop Adamek...sig bet?

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Sig bet that Adamek won't even go the distance when a nearly shot Shannon Briggs did ?

Okay I'll take that sig bet.

Granted your right Adamek does get hit more than he should, and is much smaller than Briggs, but he is a quick, good boxer.

I didn't watch Adamek - McBride because I didn't figure there was a hell of a lot to see, I do know from reading about it that Adamek won by UD.

Basically the McBride fight did nothing but keep Adamek active until his fight with Vitali in September, in regards to that fight: Adamek likely goes the distance with Vitali, but takes a pounding. Like someone said, unless Vitali injures inself, (another torn rotator cuff, or some such shit) Adamek has no chance of winning. I'm not saying Vitali will blow Adamek away, just saying I can't see any way Adamek can win, either by decision or a stoppage.

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2% really Lyle ?

Thats fucking nonsense and you know it. Obviously, you've got to favor Vitali for his sheer size, power and reach. But the man is quite mechanical and getting up there in age.

Adamek proved that he does not "panic" when he's hit hard, seein as Arreola smashed on him a few times, and Golota connected as well, both big punchers.

I'd say Adamek has at least a good 30% chance of winning maybe more. He has good stamina and could outbox Vitali, but its going to require a lot of getin in and getin out and he could get caught on the way in with a big straight right hand.

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No it's not nonsense because Adamek isn't known for his defense and well Vitali isn't known for losing rounds. It's not as if Arreola was blown out by Adamek...Tomaz scraped by with a Majority Decision.

I give Adamek 1.5% chance of winning by decision and a .5% chance of winning by stoppage....I'm not saying I'm certain Vitali will stop Adamek....well yeah, let's go with I'm CERTAIN Vitali will stop Adamek...sig bet?

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Sig bet that Adamek won't even go the distance when a nearly shot Shannon Briggs did ?

Okay I'll take that sig bet.

Granted your right Adamek does get hit more than he should, and is much smaller than Briggs, but he is a quick, good boxer.

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I'm not saying Adamek isn't skilled, he's EXTREMELY talented otherwise he'd have lost by now. I only make such an outrageous bet because of Vitali's knack for stopping fighters who apparently don't mind getting hit.

So its agreed sig bet on a stoppage win for Vitali or I lose.

Adamek is a hell of a fighter, don't know anyone who doesn't care to see that dude fight, he's just not got enough weapons to go the distance....too much heart. Shannon Briggs was shot but he was also a lifetime heavyweight and not some blown up (albeit extremely skilled) cruiserweight

Adamek is fairly talented I guess but his presence in the heavyweight division is not remotely exciting to me.

I agree with Lyle, he has no chance against the Klitschko's whatsoever. He doesn't have a punchers chance, and Vitali will just be able to walk through him. He is durable and may survive, but only because he won't do anything to pressure Vitali and he will be able to coast to any easy, massively lopsided decision win.

If he tries to win he will get knocked out.

I don't really understand all the pluadits he gets, I mean he's had to go the distance with Kevin McBride and Michael Grant. His fight with Arreola was back and forth until Arreola's injury.

These kind of chump opponents are just fodder for the Klitschko's and all Adamek has shown to me is that he is slightly above that level.

Kevin Mcbride was lucky to get through the first round of Prizefighter, he hasn't won a fight since fucking 2006 and has been knocked out six times. I can't even see how he was considered a legit opponent for Adamek. He would be a soft opponent for even Tyson Fury. Going 12 rounds with him is frankly embarrassing for a supposed title hope.

Grant and Mcbride are appalling opposition for a supposed world title challenger. Are they even in the top 50?

Love adamek but can't see him taking this, vitali might be getting old but he's still miles better than an old michael grant and well adamek didn't have to easy a time in that fight. I give adamek a ten percent chance, he'll need the perfect gameplane, in and out taking some pawing jabs here and there while avoiding the big shots. People might say vitali's power isn't what it is anymore which is true but I think he's still got plenty power to hurt adamek and most any figh. ter out there.

Adamek has literally no chance against either Klitschko or (flame away, Lyle) David Haye. He's too small, he's not exceptionally fast, and he has very little power at this weight. What he's trying to accomplish is admirable, I guess, but he's doomed to fail. Vitali will spark him unless Adamek manages to run all night; even then he'll lose every round.

Hell, I even think Solis would beat him pretty badly.

Im Polish and would really like Adamek to win , but he doesnt have more than a 5% chance of winning. Vitali has never had a fight that he has been losing on points. So why should this one be different.

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Im Polish and would really like Adamek to win , but he doesnt have more than a 5% chance of winning. Vitali has never had a fight that he has been losing on points. So why should this one be different.

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Outside of a shoulder injurt a la Chris Byrd, or a sudden death by heart attack this is going to be a complete and total formality.

I would go so far to say as it's an impossible mission for Adamek to win this by boxing means. He won't have the power to score a shock knockout, and he's too small and weak to have a hope of winning any of the rounds.

I think the interest for this fight will be whether he can surprise us all like Matthew Hatton did against Canelo and hear the final bell. It will be entertaining for that reason, but a Vitali win is as close to a sure thing that there can be in boxing.

I have come to admire adamek but i see it like the majority of the other posters. I dont think adamek will be able to keep vitali off of him and will be dog tired in the later rounds. Him being worn out towards the end will probably result in vitali stopping him.

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I have come to admire adamek but i see it like the majority of the other posters. I dont think adamek will be able to keep vitali off of him and will be dog tired in the later rounds. Him being worn out towards the end will probably result in vitali stopping him.

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Completely agree. I admire Adamek too. He's a machine as cutme or sheep used to say. He is a top 20 p4p boxer in my opinion. But, the Vitali is too big of a mountain for him to climb. If he beat Vitali it would a huge shock. Monstrous.

We all know what Vitali is capable of, but Vitali is getting old. Adamek's defence is much much better than when he fought Briggs. His chin is above average. He doesn't ever get nervous/intimidated like Andrew Golota, has strong faith and focus.
In 5 months time, we will come back to this thread. I'm not saying Adamek will most probably win, but how can you not see this as a very exciting fight??

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I have come to admire adamek but i see it like the majority of the other posters. I dont think adamek will be able to keep vitali off of him and will be dog tired in the later rounds. Him being worn out towards the end will probably result in vitali stopping him.

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Completely agree. I admire Adamek too. He's a machine as cutme or sheep used to say. He is a top 20 p4p boxer in my opinion. But, the Vitali is too big of a mountain for him to climb. If he beat Vitali it would a huge shock. Monstrous.

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Hell I think at this point in time if Adamek beat Vitali you could consider it one of the biggest upsets of ALL TIME, right up there with Clay-Liston I, Tyson-Douglas, Rahman-Lewis....Vitali hasn't had a truly competitive fight since...well hell since the fight with Lennox Lewis. Corrie Sanders had his moments, but did he win enough rounds against Vitali to consider it a "competitive match"?

I take nothing away away from Adamek, he has really impressed me so far but there's a gigantic gap between The Klitschko's and the rest of the division.

I think Adamek has a chance against Vitali, he has fought the right type of opposition and at least has earned the shot. I think he will lose on points but I hope he can win the title which has to be via a split decision.

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I have come to admire adamek but i see it like the majority of the other posters. I dont think adamek will be able to keep vitali off of him and will be dog tired in the later rounds. Him being worn out towards the end will probably result in vitali stopping him.

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Completely agree. I admire Adamek too. He's a machine as cutme or sheep used to say. He is a top 20 p4p boxer in my opinion. But, the Vitali is too big of a mountain for him to climb. If he beat Vitali it would a huge shock. Monstrous.

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Hell I think at this point in time if Adamek beat Vitali you could consider it one of the biggest upsets of ALL TIME, right up there with Clay-Liston I, Tyson-Douglas, Rahman-Lewis....Vitali hasn't had a truly competitive fight since...well hell since the fight with Lennox Lewis. Corrie Sanders had his moments, but did he win enough rounds against Vitali to consider it a "competitive match"?

I take nothing away away from Adamek, he has really impressed me so far but there's a gigantic gap between The Klitschko's and the rest of the division.

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Jesus Christ Lyle...Really bro ? Up there with Tyson Douglas ? :rolleyes:

This reminds me of how SHOCKED Larry Merchant was when Wlad was KO'd by Sanders....

Merchant: "This is a shock to the boxing world !"

George Foreman: "More like a shock to your world Larry"

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i think vitali could do him in under 30 seconds if he really tried.
i like adamek. i dislike vitali. vitali could snap him like a twig.

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i think vitali could do him in under 30 seconds if he really tried.
i like adamek. i dislike vitali. vitali could snap him like a twig.

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I think Adamek will at least make it to round 8 or 9 before it becomes too much.

He has the punch resistance to go pretty far but he will have been moving and working alot by that point.

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I have come to admire adamek but i see it like the majority of the other posters. I dont think adamek will be able to keep vitali off of him and will be dog tired in the later rounds. Him being worn out towards the end will probably result in vitali stopping him.

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Completely agree. I admire Adamek too. He's a machine as cutme or sheep used to say. He is a top 20 p4p boxer in my opinion. But, the Vitali is too big of a mountain for him to climb. If he beat Vitali it would a huge shock. Monstrous.

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Hell I think at this point in time if Adamek beat Vitali you could consider it one of the biggest upsets of ALL TIME, right up there with Clay-Liston I, Tyson-Douglas, Rahman-Lewis....Vitali hasn't had a truly competitive fight since...well hell since the fight with Lennox Lewis. Corrie Sanders had his moments, but did he win enough rounds against Vitali to consider it a "competitive match"?

I take nothing away away from Adamek, he has really impressed me so far but there's a gigantic gap between The Klitschko's and the rest of the division.

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Honestly, I think would be a bigger upset than all of them in reality. Let me explain.

Liston - Clay was an upset only because we didn't know at the time just how good Clay was. As he went on to become the greatest heavyweight in history in retrospect it was no upset. Clay was the best ever. Adamek does not compare to Clay at all. He's a fairly decent blown up cruiser who is fighting competitive fights with mostly fighters outside the top 50 current boxers, Grant, Mcbride, Maddalone etc.

Tyson Douglas. Again a massive upset, but Tyson's life was unravelling. Again in retrospect it wasn't quite that surprising. Tyson's life was collapsing around him, and as we saw later in his career, he was prone to this kind of mental weakness and turmoil. Vitali is not at all, he's an exemplary pro and as mentally stable and grounded as they come.

Rahman Lewis. Again, huge upset but one thing Rahman always had was power. Adamek has never demonstrated that. Vitali's chin has never been questioned and Adamek was unable to finish even Kevin Mcbride, a fighter who hasn't won a fight in 5 years, has been knocked out every time he's stepped up, and was even blown away by Mike Mollo in two rounds.

None of the factors that applied to the upsets mentioned apply to this fight here.

Adamek is not a future all time great in the making, his struggles against the jobbers he's fought so far demonstrate that clearly. Vitali is not the mentally unstable, spiralling Tyson who is about to implode, and Adamek is not a puncher, at all.

He has no chance of out boxing Vitali, and no chance of knocking him out.

Outside of injury this fight is about as close to a certainty as you can get in boxing imo.

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I have come to admire adamek but i see it like the majority of the other posters. I dont think adamek will be able to keep vitali off of him and will be dog tired in the later rounds. Him being worn out towards the end will probably result in vitali stopping him.

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Completely agree. I admire Adamek too. He's a machine as cutme or sheep used to say. He is a top 20 p4p boxer in my opinion. But, the Vitali is too big of a mountain for him to climb. If he beat Vitali it would a huge shock. Monstrous.

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Hell I think at this point in time if Adamek beat Vitali you could consider it one of the biggest upsets of ALL TIME, right up there with Clay-Liston I, Tyson-Douglas, Rahman-Lewis....Vitali hasn't had a truly competitive fight since...well hell since the fight with Lennox Lewis. Corrie Sanders had his moments, but did he win enough rounds against Vitali to consider it a "competitive match"?

I take nothing away away from Adamek, he has really impressed me so far but there's a gigantic gap between The Klitschko's and the rest of the division.

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Honestly, I think would be a bigger upset than all of them in reality. Let me explain.

Liston - Clay was an upset only because we didn't know at the time just how good Clay was. As he went on to become the greatest heavyweight in history in retrospect it was no upset. Clay was the best ever. Adamek does not compare to Clay at all. He's a fairly decent blown up cruiser who is fighting competitive fights with mostly fighters outside the top 50 current boxers, Grant, Mcbride, Maddalone etc.

Tyson Douglas. Again a massive upset, but Tyson's life was unravelling. Again in retrospect it wasn't quite that surprising. Tyson's life was collapsing around him, and as we saw later in his career, he was prone to this kind of mental weakness and turmoil. Vitali is not at all, he's an exemplary pro and as mentally stable and grounded as they come.

Rahman Lewis. Again, huge upset but one thing Rahman always had was power. Adamek has never demonstrated that. Vitali's chin has never been questioned and Adamek was unable to finish even Kevin Mcbride, a fighter who hasn't won a fight in 5 years, has been knocked out every time he's stepped up, and was even blown away by Mike Mollo in two rounds.

None of the factors that applied to the upsets mentioned apply to this fight here.

Adamek is not a future all time great in the making, his struggles against the jobbers he's fought so far demonstrate that clearly. Vitali is not the mentally unstable, spiralling Tyson who is about to implode, and Adamek is not a puncher, at all.

He has no chance of out boxing Vitali, and no chance of knocking him out.

Outside of injury this fight is about as close to a certainty as you can get in boxing imo.

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Morales performance against Maidana, and Ishida TKO'n Kirkland were both bigger upsets than if Adamek outpointed an almost 40 year old Vitali.

This is so ridiculious. Vitali is NOT God ! He's a tall, effecient, robotic, awkard, heavyweight who lost to Lennox Lewis on Lewis's worst day and Vitali's best day.

I expect more outta you Bilbo ! We were JFAT Alliance brothers once...to quote ahhnold schwarzenegger from the movie Predator: "You used to be someone I could trust."
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I have come to admire adamek but i see it like the majority of the other posters. I dont think adamek will be able to keep vitali off of him and will be dog tired in the later rounds. Him being worn out towards the end will probably result in vitali stopping him.

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Completely agree. I admire Adamek too. He's a machine as cutme or sheep used to say. He is a top 20 p4p boxer in my opinion. But, the Vitali is too big of a mountain for him to climb. If he beat Vitali it would a huge shock. Monstrous.

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Hell I think at this point in time if Adamek beat Vitali you could consider it one of the biggest upsets of ALL TIME, right up there with Clay-Liston I, Tyson-Douglas, Rahman-Lewis....Vitali hasn't had a truly competitive fight since...well hell since the fight with Lennox Lewis. Corrie Sanders had his moments, but did he win enough rounds against Vitali to consider it a "competitive match"?

I take nothing away away from Adamek, he has really impressed me so far but there's a gigantic gap between The Klitschko's and the rest of the division.

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Honestly, I think would be a bigger upset than all of them in reality. Let me explain.

Liston - Clay was an upset only because we didn't know at the time just how good Clay was. As he went on to become the greatest heavyweight in history in retrospect it was no upset. Clay was the best ever. Adamek does not compare to Clay at all. He's a fairly decent blown up cruiser who is fighting competitive fights with mostly fighters outside the top 50 current boxers, Grant, Mcbride, Maddalone etc.

Tyson Douglas. Again a massive upset, but Tyson's life was unravelling. Again in retrospect it wasn't quite that surprising. Tyson's life was collapsing around him, and as we saw later in his career, he was prone to this kind of mental weakness and turmoil. Vitali is not at all, he's an exemplary pro and as mentally stable and grounded as they come.

Rahman Lewis. Again, huge upset but one thing Rahman always had was power. Adamek has never demonstrated that. Vitali's chin has never been questioned and Adamek was unable to finish even Kevin Mcbride, a fighter who hasn't won a fight in 5 years, has been knocked out every time he's stepped up, and was even blown away by Mike Mollo in two rounds.

None of the factors that applied to the upsets mentioned apply to this fight here.

Adamek is not a future all time great in the making, his struggles against the jobbers he's fought so far demonstrate that clearly. Vitali is not the mentally unstable, spiralling Tyson who is about to implode, and Adamek is not a puncher, at all.

He has no chance of out boxing Vitali, and no chance of knocking him out.

Outside of injury this fight is about as close to a certainty as you can get in boxing imo.

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Morales performance against Maidana, and Ishida TKO'n Kirkland were both bigger upsets than if Adamek outpointed an almost 40 year old Vitali.

This is so ridiculious. Vitali is NOT God ! He's a tall, effecient, robotic, awkard, heavyweight who lost to Lennox Lewis on Lewis's worst day and Vitali's best day.

I expect more outta you Bilbo ! We were JFAT Alliance brothers once...to quote ahhnold schwarzenegger from the movie Predator: "You used to be someone I could trust."
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haha. But Morales is/was an all time great. We just thought he had less left than he did. instead he showed he's still a force against a crude opponent.

But some points. Vitali is a far better and more dominant fighter than Maidana. Adamek is nowhere the caliber of fighter of an Erik Morales, especially in this weight class.

Compare Arreola's fights with Adamek and Vitali. Were it not for his injury against Adamek Arreola could maybe have won that fight. Certainly it was ebb and flow with Adamek being hurt on several occasions.

Vitali just dominated, and i mean utterly, completely dominated him.

Kevin McBride and Michael Grant... Really how many rounds would they last with Vitali? I'd say he'd them both out inside 6 rounds combined.

They were struggles for Adamek.

Putting Adamek in with Vitali is like putting Paulie Malignaggi in with Lucian Bute. There is just no realistic way he can win that fight. He has no power to hurt him, and even though he's a decent boxer he can just be walked through.

I don't expect Adamek to be blown away, just like I wouldn't expect Bute to blow Malignaggi away. They are both tough, skilled fighters who know how to survive. But they are so outsized and understrengthed that they just have no realistic way to win those fights.

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Kevin McBride and Michael Grant... Really how many rounds would they last with Vitali? I'd say he'd them both out inside 6 rounds combined.

They were struggles for Adamek.

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Yes, especially Kevin McBride ;)

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Originally Posted by ninjaspy3

I have come to admire adamek but i see it like the majority of the other posters. I dont think adamek will be able to keep vitali off of him and will be dog tired in the later rounds. Him being worn out towards the end will probably result in vitali stopping him.

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Completely agree. I admire Adamek too. He's a machine as cutme or sheep used to say. He is a top 20 p4p boxer in my opinion. But, the Vitali is too big of a mountain for him to climb. If he beat Vitali it would a huge shock. Monstrous.

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Hell I think at this point in time if Adamek beat Vitali you could consider it one of the biggest upsets of ALL TIME, right up there with Clay-Liston I, Tyson-Douglas, Rahman-Lewis....Vitali hasn't had a truly competitive fight since...well hell since the fight with Lennox Lewis. Corrie Sanders had his moments, but did he win enough rounds against Vitali to consider it a "competitive match"?

I take nothing away away from Adamek, he has really impressed me so far but there's a gigantic gap between The Klitschko's and the rest of the division.

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Honestly, I think would be a bigger upset than all of them in reality. Let me explain.

Liston - Clay was an upset only because we didn't know at the time just how good Clay was. As he went on to become the greatest heavyweight in history in retrospect it was no upset. Clay was the best ever. Adamek does not compare to Clay at all. He's a fairly decent blown up cruiser who is fighting competitive fights with mostly fighters outside the top 50 current boxers, Grant, Mcbride, Maddalone etc.

Tyson Douglas. Again a massive upset, but Tyson's life was unravelling. Again in retrospect it wasn't quite that surprising. Tyson's life was collapsing around him, and as we saw later in his career, he was prone to this kind of mental weakness and turmoil. Vitali is not at all, he's an exemplary pro and as mentally stable and grounded as they come.

Rahman Lewis. Again, huge upset but one thing Rahman always had was power. Adamek has never demonstrated that. Vitali's chin has never been questioned and Adamek was unable to finish even Kevin Mcbride, a fighter who hasn't won a fight in 5 years, has been knocked out every time he's stepped up, and was even blown away by Mike Mollo in two rounds.

None of the factors that applied to the upsets mentioned apply to this fight here.

Adamek is not a future all time great in the making, his struggles against the jobbers he's fought so far demonstrate that clearly. Vitali is not the mentally unstable, spiralling Tyson who is about to implode, and Adamek is not a puncher, at all.

He has no chance of out boxing Vitali, and no chance of knocking him out.

Outside of injury this fight is about as close to a certainty as you can get in boxing imo.

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Morales performance against Maidana, and Ishida TKO'n Kirkland were both bigger upsets than if Adamek outpointed an almost 40 year old Vitali.

This is so ridiculious. Vitali is NOT God ! He's a tall, effecient, robotic, awkard, heavyweight who lost to Lennox Lewis on Lewis's worst day and Vitali's best day.

I expect more outta you Bilbo ! We were JFAT Alliance brothers once...to quote ahhnold schwarzenegger from the movie Predator: "You used to be someone I could trust."
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Agree with Bilbo here. Morales is a future hof. Hanging with Maidana even at 140 is not close to as big of an upset as it would if Adamek beat Vitali. Not even close. Ishida beating Kirkland is not close either because Kirkland is a relatively untested prospect/contender and Ishida is a former title-contender. Morales and Maidana were around the same size in the ring, as were Ishida and Kirkland - in fact, you could probably argue Morales and Ishida were bigger.

Adamek will be outweighed by 40 pounds, is 6 inches shorter than Vitali, and has a much shorter reach. In addition, Vitali has much more experience at heavyweight than Adamek. Vitali was up on the cards against Lennox too when he was counted out because of cuts. Vitali has barely lost a round in TEN years. Adamek has skimmed by on the cards on multiple occasions.

If you are a big Adamek fan, I'm with you, and I'll be rooting for him too, but let's be honest with eachother, he stands really no chance at all. However, that doesn't mean that I don't admire the hell out of him for jumping in with Vitali at the first opportunity he was given. Credit to him in a big way.

I'm done.

Apparently Vitali is regarded as the greatest heavyweight champion of all time on this forum. To beat him is nothing short of beating God himself...

All I've tried to argue is that Adamek has a 30% chance of upsetting the fucker, yet we have people on here thinking he has a 2% chance or no chance. Its pretty sad to see "boxing fans" think this way. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Hulk

I'm done.

Apparently Vitali is regarded as the greatest heavyweight champion of all time on this forum. To beat him is nothing short of beating God himself...

All I've tried to argue is that Adamek has a 30% chance of upsetting the fucker, yet we have people on here thinking he has a 2% chance or no chance. Its pretty sad to see "boxing fans" think this way. :rolleyes:

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They say 2%? So would they bet a considerable amount of money on Vitali given the pay out multiplier would be 1.02 ? I would very much like to see that.

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Originally Posted by Hulk

I'm done.

Apparently Vitali is regarded as the greatest heavyweight champion of all time on this forum. To beat him is nothing short of beating God himself...

All I've tried to argue is that Adamek has a 30% chance of upsetting the fucker, yet we have people on here thinking he has a 2% chance or no chance. Its pretty sad to see "boxing fans" think this way. :rolleyes:

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No way does he have a 30% chance. That's like saying if they fought 3 times he'd almost certainly win one of them.

Where does his chance come from? I don't think Vitali has ever been dropped in his career and his chin has been proven solid. Adamek has little power anway, amply demonstrated by the fact that he couldn't even stop Kevin Mcbride. That is terrible. Mcbrides last win was against Tyson and even that was because Tyson was so ashamed of how far he had fallen he decided to stop fighting rather than suffer the indignity of struggling to knock out such a bum as Mcbride, I mean really what an awful way to win a fight, when your opponent retires and quits boxing because he's so depressed he hasn't knocked you out in 5 rounds!!!

Since that 'heroic' win Mcbride has lost every fight and has been KO'd a bunch of times. This useless fighter who boxrec don't even have in the top 100 in the division went the distance with Adamek. That's about as bad as it gets.

So I think we can rule out Adamek scoring a shock KO.

So how about outboxing him? Well Vitali has NEVER been behind on the scorecards. His only defeats are when he dislocated his shoulder in a fight he was winning easily and when he was stopped on cuts in a fight he was edging by on the greatest heavyweights of all time.

So Adamek's chances of outpointing him are also slim.

Let's do the maths and break this down scientifically.

Vitali has had 42 fights winning 40.

In all those fights he has never been behind on the cards, ever.

So Adameks chances of boxing him to a decision must be 1 in 42 I guess. He would be the only one.

Vitali has had one freak injury in his career, so another 1 in 41 chance.

He was also stopped on cuts by the greatest heavy arguably since Ali and Foreman. I would give Adamak .5 out of 42 chance of doing that.

So 2.5 out of 42 would be a fair estimate of his chances.

That would be 5 out of 84 plus another 1 to make it out of 100.

Mathematically he has a 6% chance of winning.

I don't mean to disparage Adamek by saying he just has a 2% chance of beating Vitali.....I just look at Adamek's skill set, his relative lack of power, and his lack of defense and for me all signs point to Vitali winning by stoppage.

I've got nothing but respect for Adamek, but it'll be a fucking miracle if he lasts the distance much less wins...he'll be fighting a guy who can box and who has an 88% KO ratio and who has never been behind on the scorecards and has never been down in his entire career. Its just long odds for Adamek is all.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

I don't mean to disparage Adamek by saying he just has a 2% chance of beating Vitali.....I just look at Adamek's skill set, his relative lack of power, and his lack of defense and for me all signs point to Vitali winning by stoppage.

I've got nothing but respect for Adamek, but it'll be a fucking miracle if he lasts the distance much less wins...he'll be fighting a guy who can box and who has an 88% KO ratio and who has never been behind on the scorecards and has never been down in his entire career. Its just long odds for Adamek is all.

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I worked it out mathematically above you. It's a 6% chance.

Hulk is completely wrong on this. If the odds of a fight were 70/30 then how did Vitali win 40 of 42 fights? With 70/30 odds he would have 3 losses for every 10 fights so he'd have been beaten 12 times by now.

A little bit over 4 years ago Adamek was still fighting at Light-Heavyweight, less then 2 years ago he was still fighting at Crusierweight. Adamek is a small HW now, or basically a blown up Cruiserweight, he weighed 215 lbs. for the McBride fight, he's a little over 6'1", and has a 75" reach. Compared to Vitali, who usually weighs around 250 lbs. for his fights, has an 80" reach and is over 6'7" tall, Adamek will look small.

My point? Adamek has big cojones for taking this fight, but he has absolutely no chance of winning, and will likely get KTFO.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I worked it out mathematically above you. It's a 6% chance.

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LOL, mathematically :D
So, let's say Vitali is so superhuman (and don't age) that with any contender he has 94% chance of winning. Outcome of his next fight is independent from previous fights' outcomes. Fight with Adamek will be his 11-th fight since his last defeat. This means that the probability of him winning with Adamek is 50%. Mathematically.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

I don't mean to disparage Adamek by saying he just has a 2% chance of beating Vitali.....I just look at Adamek's skill set, his relative lack of power, and his lack of defense and for me all signs point to Vitali winning by stoppage.

I've got nothing but respect for Adamek, but it'll be a fucking miracle if he lasts the distance much less wins...he'll be fighting a guy who can box and who has an 88% KO ratio and who has never been behind on the scorecards and has never been down in his entire career. Its just long odds for Adamek is all.

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I worked it out mathematically above you. It's a 6% chance.

Hulk is completely wrong on this. If the odds of a fight were 70/30 then how did Vitali win 40 of 42 fights? With 70/30 odds he would have 3 losses for every 10 fights so he'd have been beaten 12 times by now.

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Well I'm sorry to break this to our resident Saddoboxing Einstein, BUT Vitali has not fought 42 Adameks. Adamek represents one of Vitali's best opponents to date, and certainly his best opponent since his comeback.

Thus I give the man a 30% chance of beating Vitali.

Its all opinion, and subjective, NOT MATHEMATICAL. :vd:

I agree with Hulk. Adamek is a clear underdog, but a live one. He can potentially cause a lot of difficulties for Vitali. 2% is just pure bias. 30% is being more realistic. Adamek is a top 5 heavyweight and works hard over the distance. It isn't easy to win rounds against him.

I am looking forward to this fight as it is a very good matchup. Adamek has done it the right way at HW and is ready for this. He hasn't just gone in there calling the shots, he has been tuning his skills and gradually fighting bigger men. Now it's time for the big one.

Can someone explain to me, using specifics, how a fighter like Adamek (who is a relatively mediocre heavyweight) could cause even a 40 year old Vitali Klitschko problems? I just don't see how it's possible. Adamek is too small, he has next to no power, he can't outjab Vitali, and he can't outbox him, and I think he's chinny as a HW. How can he win?

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Originally Posted by miles

I agree with Hulk. Adamek is a clear underdog, but a live one. He can potentially cause a lot of difficulties for Vitali. 2% is just pure bias. 30% is being more realistic. Adamek is a top 5 heavyweight and works hard over the distance. It isn't easy to win rounds against him.

I am looking forward to this fight as it is a very good matchup. Adamek has done it the right way at HW and is ready for this. He hasn't just gone in there calling the shots, he has been tuning his skills and gradually fighting bigger men. Now it's time for the big one.

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Thank You sir.

Ever the cool headed voice of reason you are. Coming to my aid once again.;D