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Hey guys, i'm a newbee here, but i'm a longtime boxing fan, i'd like to make a few new boxing buds here, and shoot the shit about boxing and upcoming fights.
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Berto vs. Ortiz on HBO saturday, Berto is likely the favorite, but do you think Ortiz has a shot at winning?
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I honestly think Berto is going to win pretty easily. I'm looking at a mid-round stoppage. His handspeed is going to bother Ortiz from the start and won't be able to adjust to it.
Thanks for the welcome C-lo, I should fit right in on this boxing forum, it's not my first rodeo.
In re: Berto's handspeed and power, it figures that they will be too much for Ortiz, but we shall see, Berto still hasn't fought many top ranked fighters.
BTW, Berto doesn't seem to get a lot of love from the boxing community, I imagine Ortiz will have his share fans for this fight, hoping he flattens Berto.
Welcome!! I think this fight could go either way. I do question Ortiz's heart still, and if the going gets tough i'm not sure how he will respond. It should be a very competitive fight, too close to call for me.
Ortiz has a decent shot I think, berto got dropped by a part time fighter/full time fireman in his "gift" title fight. Sure we can question ortiz's heart due to the maidana fiasco, but no hating on ortiz here for that, I think he showed plenty heart by being willing to get up three times. I'm not one of those guys that wants to see a fighter go out on their shield, they know their body better than any of us know it.
Berto will get educated by Ortiz whether he wins or loses. Whenever he fights a boxer-puncher, his flaws always come to the surface. Berto is way too zealous in his offensive and leaves himself open and I see Victor exploiting that with his durability and counter punching. No doubt though, it's going to be anyone's game.
And welcome to Saddo, bro.
Both of these guys seem to be absolute destroyers...if you can't fight and elect to stand right in front of them and let them whale away at you. Neither shows much class, all straight lines and chins in the air, winging away. Berto/Collazo was just terrible.
That said, it should be a very exciting fight while it lasts.
If this is the top in the 147 division, Armando Muniz should make a comeback. He can't be much more than 63.
I actually think this is a great fight. Neither guy will get the plaudits should they win, but they deserve it. I fancy Berto to take it although he won't get the credit. Aside from Floyd & Manny, there aren't many opponents you could say are significantly better.
I hope Ortiz does a number on him, but it is a step up and might be too much of an ask. Ortiz is young and hasn't really found his niche, that niche might not be at the top though. I hope he does it in this fight though, I just worry about his heart. He quit FAR too easily against Maidana.
I was struck by how small Ortiz looks, even at 140.
That will be the Victor Ortiz who came into the ring at 157lbs against Lamont Peterson :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by greynotsoold
Didn't see that fight!;D
I agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
Thank the Lord! I was beginning to think I was by myself on this one. Ortiz hasn't shown me anything to suggest he will be competitive for this one. Plus, he'll be moving up in weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
Ortiz didn't look too good in the Lamont Peterson fight, (a draw I believe) he's going to have to look a hell of a lot better against Berto if he expects to get a 'W'. I'd like to think that Ortiz brings his 'A' game for this fight, but if not, and he loses, he's going to fall into perennial contender and/or journeyman status. This is actually a big fight for both pugs.
Victor is rumored to have a powerful punch and I'm not completely confident in Berto's chin, but I just don't believe Ortiz will beat Berto. It would be a shock to me if he beat Berto.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-LoThank the Lord! I was beginning to think I was by myself on this one. Ortiz hasn't shown me anything to suggest he will be competitive for this one. Plus, he'll be moving up in weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Lo
Berto will stop ortiz with little or no problems.
ROFLMAO...HAHAHAHA...good lord.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazzWolf
3 factorz dat determine thiz fightz winner:
Ortiz power vs Bertoz untested chin
How will deal against Ortiz southpaw style
and wether Berto iz gonna fight hiz fight or hiz oppenentz fight lik wit Collazo
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Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
Good points Chubby, Ortiz does have a bit of power, and Berto does have an untested chin, and Ortiz is likely the best fighter Berto has faced so far. (I would have loved to have seen Berto fight Mosley)
Just guessing i'd say that Berto will throw caution to the wind saturday night, let it all hang and go for a KO in the 1st couple of rounds. If Ortiz can withstand Berto's initial onslaught, and come back with some big shots of his own we could have a hell of a fight.
I'm gonna be pulling for Surfer Vic, I hope he knocks Berto senseless.
Exactly. Berto is too big, too good, too fast for Ortiz. Victor is going to get pummelled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mar
I remember Berto having problems with Collazo's straight left early in the fight, Ortiz's left will be faster and more powerful. Interesting fight both are genuinely good guys, I see Berto winning in by UD but I would not be surprised if Ortiz drops Berto at least once in thsi fight.
at 5'9" and having a frame that of a big welter Ortiz will not be dwarfed in this fight:cool:
My guess iz that Berto will win by TKO mid to late roundz no problemo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axQuote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
Good points Chubby, Ortiz does have a bit of power, and Berto does have an untested chin, and Ortiz is likely the best fighter Berto has faced so far. (I would have loved to have seen Berto fight Mosley)
Just guessing i'd say that Berto will throw caution to the wind saturday night, let it all hang and go for a KO in the 1st couple of rounds. If Ortiz can withstand Berto's initial onslaught, and come back with some big shots of his own we could have a hell of a fight.
I'm gonna be pulling for Surfer Vic, I hope he knocks Berto senseless.
I think this fight will come down to who has more heart at the end of the day, i see it being a repeat of berto-callozo in the begging,a tough fight for berto but i see him coming out on top, late stoppage possibly, but i am very excited for this fight, i think we will see some fireworks
Berto is a better fighter who is more accomplished but I think maybe people are stressing a little to hard on the Maidana bout where Ortiz found himself in a situation he had never been in before and made some comments that came about in the heat of the moment type thing. He had shown no signs of not having heart prior or since.
I expect Berto to win but I do not believe it will be easy as many think. Ortiz is bigger then Berto as well, even Andre said he expects to have problems if he allows himself to slip even a second.
I think this will answer questions about both men, Berto being ready for the next tier and Ortiz heart.
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Originally Posted by Boxer4life
Yup, it should be a good fight, it will be interesting to see how it plays out, and who prevails, something really unexpected could even happen, war boxing!
Hey guyz im a lil confused bout thiz. Iz the morales/maidana fight beign replayed on HBO before or after the berto/ortiz fight?
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Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
If i'm not mistaken, they'll show the Morales/Maidana replay 1st, and then the main event = Berto/Ortiz.
Cant remember if Im allowed to ask for a link on the main page:confused: Help please
might as well sticky this one as well ;)
I just noticed HBO is showing (same-day tape) Amir Khan vs. Paul McCloskey here in the States tonight, so i'm not sure if that will get shown instead of the Morales/Maidana replay, so we shall see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axQuote:
Originally Posted by Manuel "Chubby" Medina
If i'm not mistaken, they'll show the Morales/Maidana replay 1st, and then the main event = Berto/Ortiz.
I'm new here at Saddo and i'm not sure what the procedure is for posting links to streams, but I get most of my links to streams here:Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
http://myp2p.eu/competition.php?&com...scipline=other
There should be streams for Berto-Ortiz here:
MyP2P.eu :: Boxing - HBO Boxing
If it's not OK for me to post them here, please delete this post or let me know. :cool:
Thanks I'll give it a shot
The "undercard" for Berto-Ortiz is just starting on HBO, and is going to be Khan-McCloskey, which means the main event will start in about 35 minutes, and the Morales/Maidana replay won't be shown this week.
Not that McCloskey had any chance of winning, but WTF was the doctor doing stopping the fight? I've seen far worse cuts then that.
Alright, hopefully it's time for the main event in about 10 minutes.
A joke stoppage and Merchant is on the money with his comments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
I don't care massively for either Berto or Ortiz, but Ortiz is the underdog and as always that is who I am rooting for.
Can't really call this fight. I think Berto will take him out but if Ortiz catches him I wouldn't be shocked. Berto's tendency to drop his hands after combinations just bothers me and creeps into my mind just enough so that I don't have full confidence in him. However Ieither see Berto by late stoppage or decision or Ortiz by mid round(six thru eight) stoppage. Can't envision a scenario where Ortiz gets a decision
Dude, thanks but I'm pretty sure your not supposed to put that here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm new here at Saddo and i'm not sure what the procedure is for posting links to streams, but I get most of my links to streams here:Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
MyP2P.eu :: Other Sports schedules, watch live Other Sports on your pc.
There should be streams for Berto-Ortiz here:
MyP2P.eu :: Boxing - HBO Boxing
If it's not OK for me to post them here, please delete this post or let me know. :cool:
K-thanks, I really didn't know, if Admin or a mod wants to delete it, that's fine with me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusDude, thanks but I'm pretty sure your not supposed to put that here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm new here at Saddo and i'm not sure what the procedure is for posting links to streams, but I get most of my links to streams here:Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
MyP2P.eu :: Other Sports schedules, watch live Other Sports on your pc.
There should be streams for Berto-Ortiz here:
MyP2P.eu :: Boxing - HBO Boxing
If it's not OK for me to post them here, please delete this post or let me know. :cool: