Bradley turns down Khan fight thinks he is worth more that $1.4 for the fight.

As Gary Shaw and Fat Dan, Khan has signed the deal and is ready to rumble for July 23rd. Bradley has turned down $1.4 million according to his promoter Gary Shaw, I hope this is just games and he is trying all he can to get a bit more before signing.

To be fair Bradley holds two titles and is number one, but on the other hand he has no fanbase and his last fight was awful he stunk the joint out $1.4 million seems fine to me.

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As Gary Shaw and Fat Dan, Khan has signed the deal and is ready to rumble for July 23rd. Bradley has turned down $1.4 million according to his promoter Gary Shaw, I hope this is just games and he is trying all he can to get a bit more before signing.

To be fair Bradley holds two titles and is number one, but on the other hand he has no fanbase and his last fight was awful he stunk the joint out $1.4 million seems fine to me.

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Yeah Bradley would be a fool to not take this, it's not like people are beating down his door to give him 1M+. If it is games then that's one thing, but if it's not that leaves us to two conclusions.

1. His team believe he can make more elsewhere.

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2. His team believe Khan would end his career.

Bradley is a hardworking fighter, but I don't think he brings anything to the table that can trouble Khan bar a headbutt to the chin. He doesn't have that bingo shot and has the reach of a straw weight.

Wow shocking :o

Where else will he make $1.4 mil?

and what is khan getting?

I think Bradley want's rid of Shaw and this is he last fight wouldn't surprise me if this offer is with a clause to sign for more fights with Shaw, just doesn't seem like Bradley to turn down a big fight like this for that sort of money.

He's crazy to turn down that money, i hope it's all a ploy to get more money. I want to see this fight happen.

What occured to me when I read this is that Bradley may be trying to position himself for a fight with Pacquiao for more money. If Marquez signs with GB and doesn't take the Pacquiao fight, who is left for Pacquiao that is a better opponent than Tim Bradley?

Also, what is Khan getting for the fight?

You know what, good for him. Little gamesman ship is not new and Bradley is at the absolute peak of career with serious run of solid competition! He's earned the right. I don't think he's second guessing chances or anything of that nature. Division is in full flux and Bradley is a player positioning himself. What is Khan purse, good question.

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Probably 5 or 6 mil. I cant say I blame Tim really. Seems like a low ball offer.

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What occured to me when I read this is that Bradley may be trying to position himself for a fight with Pacquiao for more money. If Marquez signs with GB and doesn't take the Pacquiao fight, who is left for Pacquiao that is a better opponent than Tim Bradley?

Also, what is Khan getting for the fight?

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I can't imagine a scenario where Pac would bother with Bradley, I mean on the business side it makes no sense, for the casual viewer it makes no sense. This isn't meant to sound like Bradley isn't a reasonable fight, he just doesn't have the draw to make it worth it. Sure Bradley has taken on all comers and has risen to the occasion, got up off the deck, powered through, who was watching though? Just us here at Saddos (most of whom stream the fights and don't contribute to the event monetarily anyway)

Now on the other side of the coin, the question is what does Pac have without JMM...........
Brandon Rios could move up to 140 is Pac could go down there, he is a much better draw than Bradley and there is also already history via Margarito/Pac training camps.

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5 or 6 million hahaha, you serious? How the fuck is he getting that? This aint on HBO PPV, he will not be getting much more than Bradley.

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What occured to me when I read this is that Bradley may be trying to position himself for a fight with Pacquiao for more money. If Marquez signs with GB and doesn't take the Pacquiao fight, who is left for Pacquiao that is a better opponent than Tim Bradley?

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I can't imagine a scenario where Pac would bother with Bradley, I mean on the business side it makes no sense, for the casual viewer it makes no sense. This isn't meant to sound like Bradley isn't a reasonable fight, he just doesn't have the draw to make it worth it. Sure Bradley has taken on all comers and has risen to the occasion, got up off the deck, powered through, who was watching though? Just us here at Saddos (most of whom stream the fights and don't contribute to the event monetarily anyway)

Now on the other side of the coin, the question is what does Pac have without JMM...........
Brandon Rios could move up to 140 is Pac could go down there, he is a much better draw than Bradley and there is also already history via Margarito/Pac training camps.

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Come on man, Rios hasn't done nearly enough, not even close, to deserve a Pacquiao fight. Does he have drawing power? Right now he is fighting at 135 - imagine the backlash at that, Pacquiao fighting an unproven lightweight at 147, that's worse than Mayweather fighting Marquez at 147.

Bradley has been successful going up to 147 and is a unified champ at 140 and a top ten p4p fighter. Other than Marquez or SSM, there aren't any active fighters who have a draw worthy of being a Pacquiao B-side at his weight. With his win over Alexander, in my opinion, Bradley earned another big pay day, whether it is against Pacquiao or Khan. Bradley's the best of what's left.

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Khan only got $750,000 for the Maidana fight, I can't see him getting much more than Bradley for this fight, certainly not as much as $5 million+ more.

I hope this is gamesmanship, it just doesn't seem like Bradley to turn down a fight with anyone especially for over $1 million. I think Skel might be right, it could be a clause to do with extending his deal with Shaw that's the sticking point.

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What occured to me when I read this is that Bradley may be trying to position himself for a fight with Pacquiao for more money. If Marquez signs with GB and doesn't take the Pacquiao fight, who is left for Pacquiao that is a better opponent than Tim Bradley?

Also, what is Khan getting for the fight?

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I can't imagine a scenario where Pac would bother with Bradley, I mean on the business side it makes no sense, for the casual viewer it makes no sense. This isn't meant to sound like Bradley isn't a reasonable fight, he just doesn't have the draw to make it worth it. Sure Bradley has taken on all comers and has risen to the occasion, got up off the deck, powered through, who was watching though? Just us here at Saddos (most of whom stream the fights and don't contribute to the event monetarily anyway)

Now on the other side of the coin, the question is what does Pac have without JMM...........
Brandon Rios could move up to 140 is Pac could go down there, he is a much better draw than Bradley and there is also already history via Margarito/Pac training camps.

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Come on man, Rios hasn't done nearly enough, not even close, to deserve a Pacquiao fight. Does he have drawing power? Right now he is fighting at 135 - imagine the backlash at that, Pacquiao fighting an unproven lightweight at 147, that's worse than Mayweather fighting Marquez at 147.

Bradley has been successful going up to 147 and is a unified champ at 140 and a top ten p4p fighter. Other than Marquez or SSM, there aren't any active fighters who have a draw worthy of being a Pacquiao B-side at his weight. With his win over Alexander, in my opinion, Bradley earned another big pay day, whether it is against Pacquiao or Khan. Bradley's the best of what's left.

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Bradley/Alexander is precisely the reason I disqualify him from being in with Pac, they had less people show up than a busy day at McDonalds.

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What occured to me when I read this is that Bradley may be trying to position himself for a fight with Pacquiao for more money. If Marquez signs with GB and doesn't take the Pacquiao fight, who is left for Pacquiao that is a better opponent than Tim Bradley?

Also, what is Khan getting for the fight?

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I can't imagine a scenario where Pac would bother with Bradley, I mean on the business side it makes no sense, for the casual viewer it makes no sense. This isn't meant to sound like Bradley isn't a reasonable fight, he just doesn't have the draw to make it worth it. Sure Bradley has taken on all comers and has risen to the occasion, got up off the deck, powered through, who was watching though? Just us here at Saddos (most of whom stream the fights and don't contribute to the event monetarily anyway)

Now on the other side of the coin, the question is what does Pac have without JMM...........
Brandon Rios could move up to 140 is Pac could go down there, he is a much better draw than Bradley and there is also already history via Margarito/Pac training camps.

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Come on man, Rios hasn't done nearly enough, not even close, to deserve a Pacquiao fight. Does he have drawing power? Right now he is fighting at 135 - imagine the backlash at that, Pacquiao fighting an unproven lightweight at 147, that's worse than Mayweather fighting Marquez at 147.

Bradley has been successful going up to 147 and is a unified champ at 140 and a top ten p4p fighter. Other than Marquez or SSM, there aren't any active fighters who have a draw worthy of being a Pacquiao B-side at his weight. With his win over Alexander, in my opinion, Bradley earned another big pay day, whether it is against Pacquiao or Khan. Bradley's the best of what's left.

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Bradley/Alexander is precisely the reason I disqualify him from being in with Pac, they had less people show up than a busy day at McDonalds.

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True Bradley-Alexander didn't do any numbers, but then again it was at the Pontiac Silverdome...yea the silverdome. If that fight had been in Vegas, Atlantic city or LA it would have been better, not great but better. You have to remember that Pac fought Clottey who was a unknown to the casual boxing fans and still did solid numbers. If Pac were to fight Bradley i would say it would most likely be at the Cowboys stadium so it could sell 50,000 or so seats plus the PPV's.

Well, I think it is critical to know what Khan is expected to be getting because he is known to try to lowball and criticize his opponent for turning down a specific amount without disclosing what he is making. A lot of recent possible opponents turned down a Khan fight, even Maidana before he finally accepted, due to lowballing attempts. I don't know what Khan is going to make with this initial offer but I find it very Khan-like that Bradley's purse offer is well known but Khan's isn't.

Killersheep and Skel are right, Bradley isn't worth two bob. He split a million dollars for the Alexander fight, his biggest pot by miles, which turned out to be the ultimate dud. They couldn't give the tickets away. Bradley has ZERO fans outside a few internet forums.

Bradley offers Pac absolutely nothing.

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Killersheep and Skel are right, Bradley isn't worth two bob. He split a million dollars for the Alexander fight, his biggest pot by miles, which turned out to be the ultimate dud. They couldn't give the tickets away. Bradley has ZERO fans outside a few internet forums.

Bradley offers Pac absolutely nothing.

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But Bradley's nothing is more than anyone else's nothing. I'm not stubborn - show me a better opponent for Pacquiao. I'm all ears.

Exactly as MMASux said, Pacquiao-Clottey did fine numbers and Clottey wasn't a belt-holder, wasn't a top ten p4p fighter, and hadn't been featured on HBO prior to the their fight, and unknown to the casual fan.

I'm not saying Bradley is ideal, but I don't think there is a better opponent.

And if Bradley offers Pacquiao nothing, why does he offer Khan anything?

You know i would like to bring up a point bernard once made against de la hoya, who cares if ur getting paid less, if you beat a guy like khan, you will see better paydays, take that fight, win and money will come

But Khan deserves the lions share of the pot, afterall, he will be bringing in at least £500 from all of the UK box office buys! ;)

They should fight and the winner will win a roman shield

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Killersheep and Skel are right, Bradley isn't worth two bob. He split a million dollars for the Alexander fight, his biggest pot by miles, which turned out to be the ultimate dud. They couldn't give the tickets away. Bradley has ZERO fans outside a few internet forums.

Bradley offers Pac absolutely nothing.

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But Bradley's nothing is more than anyone else's nothing. I'm not stubborn - show me a better opponent for Pacquiao. I'm all ears.

Exactly as MMASux said, Pacquiao-Clottey did fine numbers and Clottey wasn't a belt-holder, wasn't a top ten p4p fighter, and hadn't been featured on HBO prior to the their fight, and unknown to the casual fan.

I'm not saying Bradley is ideal, but I don't think there is a better opponent.

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how does MMASux statement prove anything that would make Bradley a worthy opponent, your entire argument for Bradley is predicated by the accolades Bradley has achieved in the ring, and as you said yourself Clottey was none of those things. Clottey was chosen for one reason, he was bigger and clammed up under pressure, it can be viewed as a relatively lower risk fight for the weight given Pac's heavily offensive volume style. Now apply that logic to booking Bradley, Bradley is much smaller so Pac can't take the smaller fighter line. Bradley also flies in head first which is a very real risk to Pacquiao, not as a tactical disadvantage, but an illegal shot means.

I do agree that Pacquiao will make good numbers regardless of who he fights. That being said, other things need to be considered such as publicity, I guarantee you right now Rios that I mentioned before already far outdraws Bradley, add to that the added drama of him making fun of Roach publicly puts an element of bad blood and a storyline the common fan can grasp. Rios trying to avenge Margo's loss, Pac to defend Roach's honor.

The other issue was that the attendance was so low because it was in the Silver Dome, the reality is that it was at the Silverdome because their collective attendance was so bad.

unless we know what khan is getting then this whole thread is bs :cool:

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Killersheep and Skel are right, Bradley isn't worth two bob. He split a million dollars for the Alexander fight, his biggest pot by miles, which turned out to be the ultimate dud. They couldn't give the tickets away. Bradley has ZERO fans outside a few internet forums.

Bradley offers Pac absolutely nothing.

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But Bradley's nothing is more than anyone else's nothing. I'm not stubborn - show me a better opponent for Pacquiao. I'm all ears.

Exactly as MMASux said, Pacquiao-Clottey did fine numbers and Clottey wasn't a belt-holder, wasn't a top ten p4p fighter, and hadn't been featured on HBO prior to the their fight, and unknown to the casual fan.

I'm not saying Bradley is ideal, but I don't think there is a better opponent.

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I think the others are right. Manny is not going to fight a little known, undefeated guy who brings no appeal outside the hardcore fans and who isn't worth the risk.

After Mosley presuming he wins and still wants to fight obviously Mayweather is option number 1.

If that doesn't happen his next fight will almost certainly be one of the following imo.

1. Marquez
2. Ortiz
3. Cotto rematch
4. Berto

Berto would have been in prime position but his loss to Ortiz has seriously messed that up. But given that Oscar, Hatton, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito and Mosley were all coming off recent losses it's still not impossible.

It will have to someone of whom HBO approve, and who can generate sales. If not Marquez, both Ortiz and Cotto are big name fighters, and Cotto at 154 might be very interesting.

The outsider for me is Maidana. He's a much bigger name than Bradley now and even though Manny takes him apart imo it would be a popular fight, I mean who wouldn't want to see that?

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Bradley's $1.4m offer is his highest purse ever. So considering Bradley's entire fanbase share the same taxi to his fights (courtesy of Steve Bunce), and Khan has a reported $1.5million guarantee with Golden Boy/HBO for fights Stateside, you can safely bet Khan will be earning more ;)

Killersheep back & showing why he's the best poster on Saddo. Unfortunately he seems to take a Floyd Mayweather attitude to his talents & only shows up once in a while to post brilliantly. I assume he then disappears off to gamble away his money, beat up his missus & attack security guards.

Anyway in total agreement with Killer & Fenster, and as in the case of Martinez we've got the same people making excuses for a fighter that they wouldn't if he was called Floyd, Manny, Amir or David :-\

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Good point!!!

Bernard also said to RJJ a long time ago, "40/40 split coming into the fight. The winners take the other 20"!

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Bernard also said to RJJ a long time ago, "40/40 split coming into the fight. The winners take the other 20"!

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so many more fights should work on this winner takes majority purse

agree with most arguments about bradley on here, bit of the same problem marvelous marvin had really in that although he is taken seriously he doesnt have that star entertainment value those around him do

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Killersheep and Skel are right, Bradley isn't worth two bob. He split a million dollars for the Alexander fight, his biggest pot by miles, which turned out to be the ultimate dud. They couldn't give the tickets away. Bradley has ZERO fans outside a few internet forums.

Bradley offers Pac absolutely nothing.

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But Bradley's nothing is more than anyone else's nothing. I'm not stubborn - show me a better opponent for Pacquiao. I'm all ears.

Exactly as MMASux said, Pacquiao-Clottey did fine numbers and Clottey wasn't a belt-holder, wasn't a top ten p4p fighter, and hadn't been featured on HBO prior to the their fight, and unknown to the casual fan.

I'm not saying Bradley is ideal, but I don't think there is a better opponent.

And if Bradley offers Pacquiao nothing, why does he offer Khan anything?

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I think the others are right. Manny is not going to fight a little known, undefeated guy who brings no appeal outside the hardcore fans and who isn't worth the risk.

After Mosley presuming he wins and still wants to fight obviously Mayweather is option number 1.

If that doesn't happen his next fight will almost certainly be one of the following imo.

1. Marquez
2. Ortiz
3. Cotto rematch
4. Berto

Berto would have been in prime position but his loss to Ortiz has seriously messed that up. But given that Oscar, Hatton, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito and Mosley were all coming off recent losses it's still not impossible.

It will have to someone of whom HBO approve, and who can generate sales. If not Marquez, both Ortiz and Cotto are big name fighters, and Cotto at 154 might be very interesting.

The outsider for me is Maidana. He's a much bigger name than Bradley now and even though Manny takes him apart imo it would be a popular fight, I mean who wouldn't want to see that?

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Marquez is clearly the best option. Ortiz is a GB fighter so that won't happen although if TR and GB could get over their feud, it may make the most sense of the options out there. Cotto rematch isn't going to happen because Cotto is fighting Margarito in the fall, which leaves Manny without another fight until next year. Berto's people aren't putting him in with Pacquiao after Ortiz shut him down. There's too much at stake to ruin his career. Plus, Berto sells worse than Bradley sells. I think he sold less than a thousand tickets for his fight before Ortiz. He is notoriously the worst ticket seller in boxing. Lastly, he doesn't deserve a Pacquiao fight at all. Maidana isn't a bad call, but isn't Maidana affiliated with GB? Bradley is a much better call, but Maidana isn't bad.

So, bottom line, for all the ragging on Bradley, no one has been able to come up with a much better option after Marquez and Mayweather even though Bradley isn't a big ticket-seller. Who deserves it more than Bradley? Bradley fought the consensus #2 or #3 guy in the division and won. Prior to that, he moved up to 147 and took the 0 from someone there, he travelled to England and in an upset beat Junior Witter. He's the most accomplished at 140. He's a top ten p4p fighter.

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Killersheep and Skel are right, Bradley isn't worth two bob. He split a million dollars for the Alexander fight, his biggest pot by miles, which turned out to be the ultimate dud. They couldn't give the tickets away. Bradley has ZERO fans outside a few internet forums.

Bradley offers Pac absolutely nothing.

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But Bradley's nothing is more than anyone else's nothing. I'm not stubborn - show me a better opponent for Pacquiao. I'm all ears.

Exactly as MMASux said, Pacquiao-Clottey did fine numbers and Clottey wasn't a belt-holder, wasn't a top ten p4p fighter, and hadn't been featured on HBO prior to the their fight, and unknown to the casual fan.

I'm not saying Bradley is ideal, but I don't think there is a better opponent.

And if Bradley offers Pacquiao nothing, why does he offer Khan anything?

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I think the others are right. Manny is not going to fight a little known, undefeated guy who brings no appeal outside the hardcore fans and who isn't worth the risk.

After Mosley presuming he wins and still wants to fight obviously Mayweather is option number 1.

If that doesn't happen his next fight will almost certainly be one of the following imo.

1. Marquez
2. Ortiz
3. Cotto rematch
4. Berto

Berto would have been in prime position but his loss to Ortiz has seriously messed that up. But given that Oscar, Hatton, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito and Mosley were all coming off recent losses it's still not impossible.

It will have to someone of whom HBO approve, and who can generate sales. If not Marquez, both Ortiz and Cotto are big name fighters, and Cotto at 154 might be very interesting.

The outsider for me is Maidana. He's a much bigger name than Bradley now and even though Manny takes him apart imo it would be a popular fight, I mean who wouldn't want to see that?

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Marquez is clearly the best option. Ortiz is a GB fighter so that won't happen although if TR and GB could get over their feud, it may make the most sense of the options out there. Cotto rematch isn't going to happen because Cotto is fighting Margarito in the fall, which leaves Manny without another fight until next year. Berto's people aren't putting him in with Pacquiao after Ortiz shut him down. There's too much at stake to ruin his career. Plus, Berto sells worse than Bradley sells. I think he sold less than a thousand tickets for his fight before Ortiz. He is notoriously the worst ticket seller in boxing. Lastly, he doesn't deserve a Pacquiao fight at all. Maidana isn't a bad call, but isn't Maidana affiliated with GB? Bradley is a much better call, but Maidana isn't bad.

So, bottom line, for all the ragging on Bradley, no one has been able to come up with a much better option after Marquez and Mayweather even though Bradley isn't a big ticket-seller. Who deserves it more than Bradley? Bradley fought the consensus #2 or #3 guy in the division and won. Prior to that, he moved up to 147 and took the 0 from someone there, he travelled to England and in an upset beat Junior Witter. He's the most accomplished at 140. He's a top ten p4p fighter.

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I don't really care for the Pac talk as I think it makes far more sense for Bradley to go out there and do something to Khan. You are right though, it is unfair for people to crap on Bradley. The guy has won his belts and has built up a solid resume. He deserves his share and I want to see this fight next....Khan.

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Killersheep and Skel are right, Bradley isn't worth two bob. He split a million dollars for the Alexander fight, his biggest pot by miles, which turned out to be the ultimate dud. They couldn't give the tickets away. Bradley has ZERO fans outside a few internet forums.

Bradley offers Pac absolutely nothing.

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But Bradley's nothing is more than anyone else's nothing. I'm not stubborn - show me a better opponent for Pacquiao. I'm all ears.

Exactly as MMASux said, Pacquiao-Clottey did fine numbers and Clottey wasn't a belt-holder, wasn't a top ten p4p fighter, and hadn't been featured on HBO prior to the their fight, and unknown to the casual fan.

I'm not saying Bradley is ideal, but I don't think there is a better opponent.

And if Bradley offers Pacquiao nothing, why does he offer Khan anything?

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I think the others are right. Manny is not going to fight a little known, undefeated guy who brings no appeal outside the hardcore fans and who isn't worth the risk.

After Mosley presuming he wins and still wants to fight obviously Mayweather is option number 1.

If that doesn't happen his next fight will almost certainly be one of the following imo.

1. Marquez
2. Ortiz
3. Cotto rematch
4. Berto

Berto would have been in prime position but his loss to Ortiz has seriously messed that up. But given that Oscar, Hatton, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito and Mosley were all coming off recent losses it's still not impossible.

It will have to someone of whom HBO approve, and who can generate sales. If not Marquez, both Ortiz and Cotto are big name fighters, and Cotto at 154 might be very interesting.

The outsider for me is Maidana. He's a much bigger name than Bradley now and even though Manny takes him apart imo it would be a popular fight, I mean who wouldn't want to see that?

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Marquez is clearly the best option. Ortiz is a GB fighter so that won't happen although if TR and GB could get over their feud, it may make the most sense of the options out there. Cotto rematch isn't going to happen because Cotto is fighting Margarito in the fall, which leaves Manny without another fight until next year. Berto's people aren't putting him in with Pacquiao after Ortiz shut him down. There's too much at stake to ruin his career. Plus, Berto sells worse than Bradley sells. I think he sold less than a thousand tickets for his fight before Ortiz. He is notoriously the worst ticket seller in boxing. Lastly, he doesn't deserve a Pacquiao fight at all. Maidana isn't a bad call, but isn't Maidana affiliated with GB? Bradley is a much better call, but Maidana isn't bad.

So, bottom line, for all the ragging on Bradley, no one has been able to come up with a much better option after Marquez and Mayweather even though Bradley isn't a big ticket-seller. Who deserves it more than Bradley? Bradley fought the consensus #2 or #3 guy in the division and won. Prior to that, he moved up to 147 and took the 0 from someone there, he travelled to England and in an upset beat Junior Witter. He's the most accomplished at 140. He's a top ten p4p fighter.

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I don't really care for the Pac talk as I think it makes far more sense for Bradley to go out there and do something to Khan. You are right though, it is unfair for people to crap on Bradley. The guy has won his belts and has built up a solid resume. He deserves his share and I want to see this fight next....Khan.

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I'm not saying it doesn't make sense for him to fight Khan either. Certainly, he has a better shot at winning that fight. I was just saying that it may be what he was thinking. Since Berto lost, Pacquiao is without a good option for an opponent for his next fight if Marquez signs with GB to fight Zab and Guerrero instead of Pacquiao. My only point was that after Marquez, Bradley makes the most sense of the options.

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Killersheep and Skel are right, Bradley isn't worth two bob. He split a million dollars for the Alexander fight, his biggest pot by miles, which turned out to be the ultimate dud. They couldn't give the tickets away. Bradley has ZERO fans outside a few internet forums.

Bradley offers Pac absolutely nothing.

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But Bradley's nothing is more than anyone else's nothing. I'm not stubborn - show me a better opponent for Pacquiao. I'm all ears.

Exactly as MMASux said, Pacquiao-Clottey did fine numbers and Clottey wasn't a belt-holder, wasn't a top ten p4p fighter, and hadn't been featured on HBO prior to the their fight, and unknown to the casual fan.

I'm not saying Bradley is ideal, but I don't think there is a better opponent.

And if Bradley offers Pacquiao nothing, why does he offer Khan anything?

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I think the others are right. Manny is not going to fight a little known, undefeated guy who brings no appeal outside the hardcore fans and who isn't worth the risk.

After Mosley presuming he wins and still wants to fight obviously Mayweather is option number 1.

If that doesn't happen his next fight will almost certainly be one of the following imo.

1. Marquez
2. Ortiz
3. Cotto rematch
4. Berto

Berto would have been in prime position but his loss to Ortiz has seriously messed that up. But given that Oscar, Hatton, Clottey, Cotto, Margarito and Mosley were all coming off recent losses it's still not impossible.

It will have to someone of whom HBO approve, and who can generate sales. If not Marquez, both Ortiz and Cotto are big name fighters, and Cotto at 154 might be very interesting.

The outsider for me is Maidana. He's a much bigger name than Bradley now and even though Manny takes him apart imo it would be a popular fight, I mean who wouldn't want to see that?

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Marquez is clearly the best option. Ortiz is a GB fighter so that won't happen although if TR and GB could get over their feud, it may make the most sense of the options out there. Cotto rematch isn't going to happen because Cotto is fighting Margarito in the fall, which leaves Manny without another fight until next year. Berto's people aren't putting him in with Pacquiao after Ortiz shut him down. There's too much at stake to ruin his career. Plus, Berto sells worse than Bradley sells. I think he sold less than a thousand tickets for his fight before Ortiz. He is notoriously the worst ticket seller in boxing. Lastly, he doesn't deserve a Pacquiao fight at all. Maidana isn't a bad call, but isn't Maidana affiliated with GB? Bradley is a much better call, but Maidana isn't bad.

So, bottom line, for all the ragging on Bradley, no one has been able to come up with a much better option after Marquez and Mayweather even though Bradley isn't a big ticket-seller. Who deserves it more than Bradley? Bradley fought the consensus #2 or #3 guy in the division and won. Prior to that, he moved up to 147 and took the 0 from someone there, he travelled to England and in an upset beat Junior Witter. He's the most accomplished at 140. He's a top ten p4p fighter.

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I don't really care for the Pac talk as I think it makes far more sense for Bradley to go out there and do something to Khan. You are right though, it is unfair for people to crap on Bradley. The guy has won his belts and has built up a solid resume. He deserves his share and I want to see this fight next....Khan.

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I'm not saying it doesn't make sense for him to fight Khan either. Certainly, he has a better shot at winning that fight. I was just saying that it may be what he was thinking. Since Berto lost, Pacquiao is without a good option for an opponent for his next fight if Marquez signs with GB to fight Zab and Guerrero instead of Pacquiao. My only point was that after Marquez, Bradley makes the most sense of the options.

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I quite agree with that really. People are downplaying Bradley far too easily, when he has acheived more than Khan by my reckoning. He is the man at his weight.

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As Gary Shaw and Fat Dan, Khan has signed the deal and is ready to rumble for July 23rd. Bradley has turned down $1.4 million according to his promoter Gary Shaw, I hope this is just games and he is trying all he can to get a bit more before signing.

To be fair Bradley holds two titles and is number one, but on the other hand he has no fanbase and his last fight was awful he stunk the joint out $1.4 million seems fine to me.

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Simply put, if true, Bradley would be a fool to turn down 1.4 million, he's just not that marketable, and who else could he fight and make that kind of money? Let's hope they work it out, i'd like to see this fight.

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unless we know what khan is getting then this whole thread is bs :cool:

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Bradley's $1.4m offer is his highest purse ever. So considering Bradley's entire fanbase share the same taxi to his fights (courtesy of Steve Bunce), and Khan has a reported $1.5million guarantee with Golden Boy/HBO for fights Stateside, you can safely bet Khan will be earning more ;)

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In that case. IF Khan is threat to Bradley and Khan wants his belts then cough up more money. Half the people watching Khan are watching to see him lose his fan base will vanish at that point.:cool:

Why is everyone on Bradleys case when by holding the titles Khan is chasing, Khan would be earning more? My titles, my town, pay up or get frozen out.

What kills me is the invoking of the obscurity card when it comes to Bradley vs a Pac. Yeh Bradley may have all the charisma and flare of warm bologna on Wonder bread but Manny could dry shave in the mirror and make quality coin. The general public is missing quite a story I'd say and a fine fighter to boot so I dont mind dropping the name as often as possible.

On the flip side you have Manny taking Mosley on, and lets get real, name alone. He's established a following....as well as being partners in Oscars syndicate.....so it pushes the publicity. This isn't on 'merit' in regards to cleaning up a division and doing nothing but winning, ala Bradley...its two guys high fiving in the backroom. Yes, I give Mosley a shot on size and power alone but Manny is running out of dance partners. Bradley vs Alexander WAS a great match up and though promotion and fight site was terrible WE knew it was a good match up and what boxing needs! You dont have a crystal ball to tell you Alexander would turn into a kitten and go limp, but I give Bradley all the more credit for putting him there and taking his confidence. I dont buy Bradley being this ugly duckling and therefore its 'understandable' for the big fights to pass him over for fear of a bad gate or poor turnout when it comes to Manny. He...boxing... doesn't get that pass from this one. Him making noise and rattling Khans chain is him insisting on respect earned. I believe this fight will happen, its getting people talking. Khan needs it too, Maidana just got out fought and in many eyes went even with an ancient Morales and respectfully here, he cant keep pulling guys off milk cartons across the pond and having shite endings like that. Not sure where this was going, hope it got there :cwm13:

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and what is khan getting?

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Probably 5 or 6 mil. I cant say I blame Tim really. Seems like a low ball offer.

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Khan only got $750,000 for the Maidana fight, I can't see him getting much more than Bradley for this fight, certainly not as much as $5 million+ more.

I hope this is gamesmanship, it just doesn't seem like Bradley to turn down a fight with anyone especially for over $1 million. I think Skel might be right, it could be a clause to do with extending his deal with Shaw that's the sticking point.

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Khan lost the plot in the Maidana fight and no doubt a shit load of money through terrible promotion and choice of broadcaster. Cant imo be used as any kind of a measuring stick to this one. Perhaps Khans side will never divulge what they stood or stand to make. Offer Tim 60/40. Fights a done deal.

I just read Dan Rafeal's blog and now it makes sense why this fight is not going to happen. HBO guaranteed both Bradley-Alexander at least 1.2 million for their next fights. Win, lose, draw 1.2 million. So i'm sure Bradley's thinking is i can go fight a weaker opponent for 1.2, then fight Khan for who knows how much money after that. Check out the article, it makes more sense as to why it's not going to happen now...at least to me it does.

Timothy Bradley-Amir Khan fight falling apart - ESPN

Well, that is a damn shame if true because beating up Khan would put Bradley firmly on the map and bigger fights would follow. He already has the resume building but he doesn't have that name factor, another big win would get him there.