Does Manny stop Shane?

I believe the only question saturday May 7th is not if Pacquaio wins, but whether or not he can KO or stop Mosley. Shane has a good chin, never been stopped and knows how to survive in the ring when he needs to, the question is, at 39, will he be able to take the battering he's going to get from Pacquiao? My guess is, the fight will either get stopped by the ref or Mosley's corner before the 9th round.

By the way, Shane is one of my favorite fighters, and I hate seeing this happen, just being realistic, I can't see Mosley going the distance. :pacman:

Thoughts?

This is a horrible fight for me. Pacquiao has a history of taking on fighters who are coming off of weak showings and then putting them away for good. Cotto, Hatton, Margarito, Morales etc. Mosley is one of my favourites and it would tear me up to see him get dominated and stopped. Pac is clear favourite and odds on to win this. Mosley is older than anyone Pac has ever faced and Pac has shown few indications that he is slowing down himself.

Mosley has that punchers chance. He cannot outwork Pac, he cannot match him for speed. Perhaps he cannot even match him for power. Mosley is not known for using his jab or using his reach either, the two areas that Richardson has pointed out as Pac weaknesses.

All the indicators are that Pac is going to dominate and potentially stop Shane.

But, I am firmly in Mosley's corner and I am hoping and praying that he is able to produce something special just one more time. It will change the world, but I'm not sure if it can happen.

Mosely has hung in there way longer than I ever expected, I was calling him "shot" in 2005. He proved everybody wrong who felt so. However all fighters get old, and there's usually one particular fight in which this happens that later on, we can all pinpoint.

I feel this may wel;l be the fight in which later on we say Shane really (finally) showed his years, and its his last hurrah, if he's gonna win HE BETTER PULL SOMETHING OUT OF THAT LONG, DEEP BAG OF TRICKS HE HAS DEVELOPED AND KNOCK PAC OUT QUICK---REAL QUICK. Once the Phillipino Buzz Saw gets buzzin' and gets his rhythm going fine and smooth like a whirring machine, let's say by round 5, its a hopeless situation for Mosely.

I think Pac will stop Mosely in between 7 and 8. The doctor will actually stop it. Mosely's face will be swelled up like a hot air balloon, looking quite the jack o lantern with a grimace and a grin.

Even Mosley's age alone should be be screaming out loudly. He is 39. 39! Even the people Pac has been cleaning up have been a lot younger than this. Sure, Mosley knocked out a weight drained and caught in the headlights with the wrappings Margarito. But Cotto took him to the limits and that was half a decade ago. He is 39. That fact alone should have us all arching our eyebrows. And then factor in the recent performances. Hatton did better against Mayweather than Mosley did.

I love Mosley, he is a fantastic character. But this fight has me really worried for him. I really hope it is us who have all got it wrong, just like with the Morales fight because there is nothing worse than a deluded old fighter taking a beating.

I dont want shane to take a beating but its probably going to happen. But I think Shane needs to do himself a favour here and throw caution into the wind and coming out throwing lead right hands like his life depends on it. If he does that then he may get some respect from pac and keep him away for a few rounds. No use being cautious against pac, hes going to hit you no matter what so most well make the best of it and go for broke.

this is not an easy fight for PACMAN , Shane is fast , durable and has power , this could be an upset.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

this is not an easy fight for PACMAN , Shane is fast , durable and has power , this could be an upset.

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For a second there i thought Dark lord was Freddie Roach.

Father Time will stop Shane. Manny is merely the instrument.

I think that in some ways this is a very interesting fight.

By all logic, Manny should blow out Mosley and batter him into submission. However, Mosley still has his power and, as he showed against Mayweather, he still has the timing to do serious damage. He's arguable the most heavy-handed fighter that Pacquaio has faced and if his lands the same type of punch that stunned Mayweather we could see a massive upset.

However, I'm 95% sure that Pacquiao beats the living shit out of an old and hesitant Mosley who is unable to pull the trigger until Mosley's corners pulls him out of the fight somewhere around the 9th-10th round.

Mosley doesn't have the stamina anymore. I say Manny takes him out around 6-8.

Don't write Shane off people!

It could well be a stoppage win but Shane has a very good chin and his power might just give Manny something else to think about in this fight. Yes he has fought decent punchers before, but the power of Mosley? I doubt it. Oscar is probably closest but he couldn't have knocked me out that night never mind an elite pro fighter. Also Mosley is still quite fast despite his age.

I'm not saying I think Mosley will win, I just think this could be very interesting and if next sunday we are talking about the huge upset from the night before, well.... I won't be too shocked!

My prediction for the moment is a Manny UD.

Im torn between points win for Manny or late stoppage. Those are the two scenarios and I'll decide after the weigh in but I'll be hoping Shane gets an upset stoppage win.

If its at a catchweight of 145 Shane has no chance but at 147 He should have enough to make this a dangerous fight for Pac for about 4 rounds. After that ot becomes the type of fight where Mosley, with his mouth wide open, looking desperate loads up and misses with wild swings ands pacs rolls under them throwds a 3 punch combo and gets out of there again. This process will repeat until Shane is completely worn down.

Pacs stratgey of hit and not be hit will be evident from the 5th onwards. Each round that goes by after that will be a case of hoping Shane gets through it beofre Richardson throws the towel in or Bayless stops it.

I would just like to add




WAR MOSLEY!!!

If Manny stops Mosley he should get full credit for it imo. Nobody has come close to knocking him out before.

I see this as a dead cert 12 round fight with Shane tiring down the stretch and losing a decision, but I think it could be interesting early, and think Shane has the power to instantly change the fight if he lands.

Certainly he will find Manny a lot easier to hit than Floyd or Sergio Mora, his last two opponents.

Pac should win, but it's not a gimme fight, and if Manny stops him then that would be a very impressive performance indeed.

If Manny stops Moseley, it will be quite a feat, Moseley, though getting older, has never been stopped and I don't remember to have seen him seriously hurt neither.
What will play a huge role in that fight is the gas: After the 5th round against Floyd, I felt that Shane was very tired, he got away with it because Floyd's not an agressive fighter and he doesn't throw that many punches but it will be quite different with Manny, especially if he attacks often the body, sucking some extra energy off him.

i rewatched Mosley/Mayweather the other day, i've posted a bunch of times that Mayweather probably could have stopped Shane once he started landing the straight right flush and at will but due to his lack of killer instinct or preference to play it safe he just coasted to a decision win, IMO Manny won't be as carefree and probably pick him apart due to his speed and get a stoppage due to either cuts or swelling, like many have said Floyd does seem to hit a lot harder than his record implies but doesn't try to go for the KO unless it's basically right in his face

Last night on the news I saw Pacquiao recording his new single, a remake of "Sometimes When We Touch", one of the all-time worst 'songs' ever written. That alone makes him deserving of an ass-kicking.
But I don't think Mosley will be the one to do it.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Mosely has hung in there way longer than I ever expected, I was calling him "shot" in 2005. He proved everybody wrong who felt so. However all fighters get old, and there's usually one particular fight in which this happens that later on, we can all pinpoint.

I feel this may wel;l be the fight in which later on we say Shane really (finally) showed his years, and its his last hurrah, if he's gonna win HE BETTER PULL SOMETHING OUT OF THAT LONG, DEEP BAG OF TRICKS HE HAS DEVELOPED AND KNOCK PAC OUT QUICK---REAL QUICK. Once the Phillipino Buzz Saw gets buzzin' and gets his rhythm going fine and smooth like a whirring machine, let's say by round 5, its a hopeless situation for Mosely.

I think Pac will stop Mosely in between 7 and 8. The doctor will actually stop it. Mosely's face will be swelled up like a hot air balloon, looking quite the jack o lantern with a grimace and a grin.

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LMFAO, @ the Phillipino Buzz Saw gets buzzin', ain't that the damn truth, Manny is relentless once he gets started.

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

Last night on the news I saw Pacquiao recording his new single, a remake of "Sometimes When We Touch", one of the all-time worst 'songs' ever written. That alone makes him deserving of an ass-kicking.
But I don't think Mosley will be the one to do it.

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Ain't that the truth, that was a horrible song to begin with, and Pacquiao still manages to butcher it, I wish he'd stick to boxing.

I can't see Manny knocking Mosley out, he couldn't ko Margarito so what makes you guys think he can ko Mosley? The only way Pacman wins is a 12 round ud on work rate. I think Mosley will surprise alot of people next Saturday, everyone is writing him off and he knows this is his last chance at a big fight. Manny isn't exactly hard to hit he leaves himself open when he lunges in with the straight left, if slow hands Margarito can tag him then Mosley Definitley can and will at some point in the fight. On the other hand though if Mosley fights the jerky gun-shy style like he did against Mayweather then I could be in for a horrible night of watching one of my all time favourite fighters take a lot of punishment.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

If Manny stops Mosley he should get full credit for it imo. Nobody has come close to knocking him out before.

I see this as a dead cert 12 round fight with Shane tiring down the stretch and losing a decision, but I think it could be interesting early, and think Shane has the power to instantly change the fight if he lands.

Certainly he will find Manny a lot easier to hit than Floyd or Sergio Mora, his last two opponents.

Pac should win, but it's not a gimme fight, and if Manny stops him then that would be a very impressive performance indeed.

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I agree that Mosley isn't going to be a pushover, Manny will have to earn it, like I said in the OP, Shane has good chin, and he knows how to survive when he gets hurt. (like in the 2 fights with Forrest)
Not that Pacquiao is likely to get much credit for it, but I also agree that stopping Shane would take a remarkable/impressive performance.

i ALREADY see the pac lovers giving way too much credit to Pac for beating a MUCH older, WAY past his prime fighter....yet again.

This fight makes no sense what so ever, and the sad thing is, I think Pac will dispose of Mosley and then the Pacmaniacs will say "oh look, pacman did it faster than Floyd, which is why Pac is better!"

Please..

yes

you know the logical side of me wants to say that pacqiou will beat mosley so bad he will forget what city he is in, but the boxer in me sees shane knocking pac man out.

If mosely can muster up another right hand like the one he hit mayweather with, he can win.

Mosley will always be a dangerous fight at any age, i recall watching margarita fight and they were wondering if he got one more good fight left in him....well...he did...thus if manny wins this fight, he gets full credit and just due, something i have yet to give him at welterweight.

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Originally Posted by carpetrepairhouston

i ALREADY see the pac lovers giving way too much credit to Pac for beating a MUCH older, WAY past his prime fighter....yet again.

This fight makes no sense what so ever, and the sad thing is, I think Pac will dispose of Mosley and then the Pacmaniacs will say "oh look, pacman did it faster than Floyd, which is why Pac is better!"

Please..

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I agree that except as a "moneymaker", this fight makes no sense whatsoever, it was strictly a business decision made by Bob Arum, et al.

Pacquiao is just one of my favorite fighters, mainly because, he's the best fighter in boxing right now, he fights often, and his fights are action packed & entertaining. I also believe that if Manny stops Shane, it would be very impressive, does that qualify me as a "Pacmaniac"?

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

If Manny stops Mosley he should get full credit for it imo. Nobody has come close to knocking him out before.

I see this as a dead cert 12 round fight with Shane tiring down the stretch and losing a decision, but I think it could be interesting early, and think Shane has the power to instantly change the fight if he lands.

Certainly he will find Manny a lot easier to hit than Floyd or Sergio Mora, his last two opponents.

Pac should win, but it's not a gimme fight, and if Manny stops him then that would be a very impressive performance indeed.

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I agree that Mosley isn't going to be a pushover, Manny will have to earn it, like I said in the OP, Shane has good chin, and he knows how to survive when he gets hurt. (like in the 2 fights with Forrest)
Not that Pacquiao is likely to get much credit for it, but I also agree that stopping Shane would take a remarkable/impressive performance.

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Shane does but does Pac? I've never seen Pac hold . When he is hurt he leaves his guard wide open or goes on the run. He never ties up which is what Floyd had to do.

If Mosleygets into exchanges with Pac he may come off second best to the quicker man but if he times his shots and focuses on accuracy then those shots he caught the best defensive fighter with, will catch Pac. Thats when this gets interesting.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

i rewatched Mosley/Mayweather the other day, i've posted a bunch of times that Mayweather probably could have stopped Shane once he started landing the straight right flush and at will but due to his lack of killer instinct or preference to play it safe he just coasted to a decision win, IMO Manny won't be as carefree and probably pick him apart due to his speed and get a stoppage due to either cuts or swelling, like many have said Floyd does seem to hit a lot harder than his record implies but doesn't try to go for the KO unless it's basically right in his face

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I agree 100% with this. Mayweather couldn't miss, Mosley wasn't firing anything back, and if PBF had just let his hands go he would have got the stoppage.

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Originally Posted by Boxer4life

you know the logical side of me wants to say that pacqiou will beat mosley so bad he will forget what city he is in, but the boxer in me sees shane knocking pac man out.

If mosely can muster up another right hand like the one he hit mayweather with, he can win.

Mosley will always be a dangerous fight at any age, i recall watching margarita fight and they were wondering if he got one more good fight left in him....well...he did...thus if manny wins this fight, he gets full credit and just due, something i have yet to give him at welterweight.

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Good post, it wouldn't break my heart to see Mosley win this fight, I just don't see it happening, 5 years ago maybe, but not now.

Manny will be facing the fastest and sharpest hands he's faced since coming up but Mosley MUST have a fast jab and not believe himself to be Frazier. No overselling right hand! He's not going to have to hunt for Pac and Mannys instinct when hurt, which at some point I think he will be early, is fight not flight. I'm in the minority but I think this will be a pretty competive fight from beginning to end and coin flip at this stage Manny by dec on a lumpy and bumpy Shane or Mosley midway tko. It's 1pm, the only thing being consumed is water ;D

He stops Shane in 4 without getting hit.

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Originally Posted by Dropanuke

He stops Shane in 4 without getting hit.

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Without getting hit. It's 1:41... you should switch to water yourself.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

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Originally Posted by Boxer4life

you know the logical side of me wants to say that pacqiou will beat mosley so bad he will forget what city he is in, but the boxer in me sees shane knocking pac man out.

If mosely can muster up another right hand like the one he hit mayweather with, he can win.

Mosley will always be a dangerous fight at any age, i recall watching margarita fight and they were wondering if he got one more good fight left in him....well...he did...thus if manny wins this fight, he gets full credit and just due, something i have yet to give him at welterweight.

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Good post, it wouldn't break my heart to see Mosley win this fight, I just don't see it happening, 5 years ago maybe, but not now.

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I really cant foresee it happening either, but i feel like its possible, pacqiou takes some big shots sometimes, i just wonder if he takes on from mosely, what may happen? cuz we all have to agree, mosely is the biggest puncher he has faced, but knowing roach and manny, i am sure they have a game plan, for some reason i think manny will try to box the first four rounds.

I hope Shane sees the final bell, but against Mayweather he was outclassed and even his corner was thinking of pulling him out. Pac causes a lot of damage, Marg may never be the same again. I can see Shane's corner pulling him out. You never know in boxing as we were all saying the same thing with Morales and he put on a very good effort. Hope Shane does the same thing but doubt it.

Team Pacquiao goal is to outdo Mayweather by brutally stopping Mosely.

im more worried now than the cheato fight. i do hope Pac outdo PBF by stopping Shane.

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Originally Posted by Boxer4life

you know the logical side of me wants to say that pacqiou will beat mosley so bad he will forget what city he is in, but the boxer in me sees shane knocking pac man out.

If mosely can muster up another right hand like the one he hit mayweather with, he can win.

Mosley will always be a dangerous fight at any age, i recall watching margarita fight and they were wondering if he got one more good fight left in him....well...he did...thus if manny wins this fight, he gets full credit and just due, something i have yet to give him at welterweight.

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Good post, it wouldn't break my heart to see Mosley win this fight, I just don't see it happening, 5 years ago maybe, but not now.

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I really cant foresee it happening either, but i feel like its possible, pacqiou takes some big shots sometimes, i just wonder if he takes on from mosely, what may happen? cuz we all have to agree, mosely is the biggest puncher he has faced, but knowing roach and manny, i am sure they have a game plan, for some reason i think manny will try to box the first four rounds.

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I'm not so sure that Shane is the biggest puncher Pacquiao has faced, Cotto and Margarito, to name a few, hit pretty fuckin' hard too. In any event Manny does occasionally get hit with big punches, but he seems to take them well. Manny's best defense, is his offense, he throws so many punches that most of the time his opponents can't get set to mount an offense.

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Originally Posted by Pavlik

im more worried now than the cheato fight. i do hope Pac outdo PBF by stopping Shane.

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:-\ We'll never see Mayweather fight him if he does.

I think he will hurt Shane eventually mess him up, maybe stop him.

I hope he does stop him early to avoid any long lasting punishment, i like Shane Mosley, i always have been a fan and it will be hard to watch him struggle against the powerhouse that is Manny Pacquaio right now. Mosley is 40 in a few months time, time has well and truly past him by. Pacman to stop Mosley inside 5 rounds.

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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

I hope he does stop him early to avoid any long lasting punishment, i like Shane Mosley, i always have been a fan and it will be hard to watch him struggle against the powerhouse that is Manny Pacquaio right now. Mosley is 40 in a few months time, time has well and truly past him by. Pacman to stop Mosley inside 5 rounds.

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Yeah I think we'd all hate to see that.

Whos the ref going to be?

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Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

I hope he does stop him early to avoid any long lasting punishment, i like Shane Mosley, i always have been a fan and it will be hard to watch him struggle against the powerhouse that is Manny Pacquaio right now. Mosley is 40 in a few months time, time has well and truly past him by. Pacman to stop Mosley inside 5 rounds.

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Yeah I think we'd all hate to see that.

Whos the ref going to be?

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It is going to be veteran Referee Kenny Bayless, according to some reports including this one...

Veteran Kenny Bayless, referee for Pacquiao vs Mosley fight - Boxing - Zimbio

He is an excellent choice based on his track, IMO, I'm just a bit surprised, it goes against recent standards that they usually stay clear of "potential" race bias for the choice of a third man, even for the very classy one as that of, Ref Bayless.

I'm sure everything'll be alright though!