Boxing - Lacy to fight MMA star Diaz
Lacy is way past it but still kicks this guys ass for me!
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Boxing - Lacy to fight MMA star Diaz
Lacy is way past it but still kicks this guys ass for me!
Lacy better send this cunt back to MMA in the first round. Do exactly what Randy did to Toney.
You have to give Diaz a decent chance. Lacy's picture is in the dictionary under shot.
Why would I say that?
When you lose to Dhafir Smith (23-19-7).
Is losing to a journeyman bad? Hell yes.
Especially when the scorecards are 118-110, 117-111, and 116-112 (and you are fighting in Florida right where you live).
When you are the "name" fighter, the "hometown" fighter, and you lose at home to a journeyman, 10 rounds to 2, 9 rounds to 3, and 8 rounds to 4 on the 3 scorecards, then you are shot all to hell.
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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
diaz will probably take a decision sadly, such a meaningless fight and the only thing that can possibly come from it is diaz coming closer to the end of his chin (i dont think lacy can KO him, but he hits way harder than anyone in mma, and u can only take so many punches before ur chin is eventually shot, at least when u just let people hit you)
diaz KOs lacy and it means nothing - lacy KOs diaz it does nothing for lacy and diaz loses no momentum in mma, a decision for either is just as meaningless
i think this is an attempt by diazto get himself a big payday in mma, hes getting payed a decent amount for this fight
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Originally Posted by Snakey
lol
that was different tho, diaz isnt trying to act like he can run through top fighters, he just wants to make some money, hes in an odd position right now, he wants to fight the UFC WW champion (as the UFC now owns the company in which diaz is WW champion, and the fights he was having from that company were not on PPV, the UFC puts fights like that on PPV and it would mean a far bigger payday than hes been getting lately)
its all about him not getting big money in strikeforce, even if he managed to 1 punch KO lacy i doubt hed ever box again, he has like 1 fight left on his strikeforce contract and he will probably end up in teh UFC after that deal runs out, they dont really have anyone else for GSP to fight (they just fed him the guy who previously had the belt diaz has now)
Lacy has been shot ever scince Calzaghe did a demolition job on him. I've met the guy though and he is a nice fella.
Really you have to fancy the boxer to win this.
Without doubt. I think he will win impressively too. Completely different games remember, and though Lacy is without a doubt shot, he has still been boxing a long time and will still hurt this guy with no REAL boxing background no doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Okay that may be the stupidest thing I've ever read on his site. You mean to say Jeff Lacy can hit harder than anyone in MMA? You mean to say the heavyweights the light heavyweights in MMA cannot hit harder than Jeff Lacy? Chuck Liddell, Cain velasquez, Brock Lesner, Shane Carwin, hell even welterweights like Paul Daley. There's hundreds of thousands of MMA fighters out there but not one of them can punch harder than Jeff Lacy?Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcherQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
diaz will probably take a decision sadly, such a meaningless fight and the only thing that can possibly come from it is diaz coming closer to the end of his chin (i dont think lacy can KO him, but he hits way harder than anyone in mma, and u can only take so many punches before ur chin is eventually shot, at least when u just let people hit you)
diaz KOs lacy and it means nothing - lacy KOs diaz it does nothing for lacy and diaz loses no momentum in mma, a decision for either is just as meaningless
i think this is an attempt by diazto get himself a big payday in mma, hes getting payed a decent amount for this fight
Id say Lacy hits harder than Liddel fairly easily. Id also not mind betting that his punches would hurt more than that big titted fat gay Lesnar. If you were a boxer and got caught by Lesnar in a boxing match you should be ashamed of yourself.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfanOkay that may be the stupidest thing I've ever read on his site. You mean to say Jeff Lacy can hit harder than anyone in MMA? You mean to say the heavyweights the light heavyweights in MMA cannot hit harder than Jeff Lacy? Chuck Liddell, Cain velasquez, Brock Lesner, Shane Carwin, hell even welterweights like Paul Daley. There's hundreds of thousands of MMA fighters out there but not one of them can punch harder than Jeff Lacy?Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcherQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
diaz will probably take a decision sadly, such a meaningless fight and the only thing that can possibly come from it is diaz coming closer to the end of his chin (i dont think lacy can KO him, but he hits way harder than anyone in mma, and u can only take so many punches before ur chin is eventually shot, at least when u just let people hit you)
diaz KOs lacy and it means nothing - lacy KOs diaz it does nothing for lacy and diaz loses no momentum in mma, a decision for either is just as meaningless
i think this is an attempt by diazto get himself a big payday in mma, hes getting payed a decent amount for this fight
Diaz's promoter "Sometime within the next 2 weeks I’ll be personally making the trek to Cesar Gracies gym to setup a private, closed door sparring session between Nick and a few nameless top-level contenders I have in mind.”
In case he gets knocked out;D
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Originally Posted by mattboxingfanOkay that may be the stupidest thing I've ever read on his site. You mean to say Jeff Lacy can hit harder than anyone in MMA? You mean to say the heavyweights the light heavyweights in MMA cannot hit harder than Jeff Lacy? Chuck Liddell, Cain velasquez, Brock Lesner, Shane Carwin, hell even welterweights like Paul Daley. There's hundreds of thousands of MMA fighters out there but not one of them can punch harder than Jeff Lacy?Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcherQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
diaz will probably take a decision sadly, such a meaningless fight and the only thing that can possibly come from it is diaz coming closer to the end of his chin (i dont think lacy can KO him, but he hits way harder than anyone in mma, and u can only take so many punches before ur chin is eventually shot, at least when u just let people hit you)
diaz KOs lacy and it means nothing - lacy KOs diaz it does nothing for lacy and diaz loses no momentum in mma, a decision for either is just as meaningless
i think this is an attempt by diazto get himself a big payday in mma, hes getting payed a decent amount for this fight
lol, noone near whatever weight WW is in mma hits NEAR as hard as lacy, its not even close, most mma guys barely knows how to throw punches, and i meant P4P (obviously) but are u seriously trying to tell me that paul daley has ANYTHING on lacy when it comes to just raw punching power?
daley wears mma gloves and wings wild ugly poorly thrown hooks, lacy at one point was a very dangerous puncher who know how to throw a left hook correctly, he may only have 1 round worth of trying left in him but that 1 round is WAY more than anything daley can do
on top of that velasquez doesnt even hit that hard, nogueira was a complete zombie by the time he fought velasquez and carwin doesnt even know how to throw a punch
if u wanna make a pointless argument at least mention a HW that can somewhat box, like if u said overeem or kharitanov but u seriously used carwin?
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Originally Posted by rossId say Lacy hits harder than Liddel fairly easily. Id also not mind betting that his punches would hurt more than that big titted fat gay Lesnar. If you were a boxer and got caught by Lesnar in a boxing match you should be ashamed of yourself.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfanOkay that may be the stupidest thing I've ever read on his site. You mean to say Jeff Lacy can hit harder than anyone in MMA? You mean to say the heavyweights the light heavyweights in MMA cannot hit harder than Jeff Lacy? Chuck Liddell, Cain velasquez, Brock Lesner, Shane Carwin, hell even welterweights like Paul Daley. There's hundreds of thousands of MMA fighters out there but not one of them can punch harder than Jeff Lacy?Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcherQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
diaz will probably take a decision sadly, such a meaningless fight and the only thing that can possibly come from it is diaz coming closer to the end of his chin (i dont think lacy can KO him, but he hits way harder than anyone in mma, and u can only take so many punches before ur chin is eventually shot, at least when u just let people hit you)
diaz KOs lacy and it means nothing - lacy KOs diaz it does nothing for lacy and diaz loses no momentum in mma, a decision for either is just as meaningless
i think this is an attempt by diazto get himself a big payday in mma, hes getting payed a decent amount for this fight
lol
seriously
and i meant nobody hits harder comparatively
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I'm so glad this fight is confirmed. Diaz is going to finally get whats coming to him.
Lacy isn't what he once was, but he's still got plenty left to destroy someone who has had ONE 4 round boxing match, 5 years ago. I've watched nearly all of Diaz's fights for the past 5 years, and what works for him in MMA will not work against a real boxer who knows how to cut the ring off, and Diaz's slaps, I mean punches, will have no effect on Jeff Lacy.
Diaz may be able to run for a while in there, but if this is a 10 round fight as it should be, then it won't take long for Lacy to catch him, hurt him, and dispose of him.
This fight is what worries me as well. Losing to a journeymen by a WIDE margin is a terrible sign. However, I can only imagine that Lacy was not up for the fight and had a very off night in addition to him being a shell of his former self, as we have witnessed for a while now.Quote:
Originally Posted by captainanddew
CAN WE CLASS CHUMP Lacy as a boxer anymore ? or indeed ever ?
joe shmoe fights AN mma fighter ......................... who cares?
Fight isn't happening, Diaz is fighting St pierre
Okay your obviously slow so let me break it down for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcherQuote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfanOkay that may be the stupidest thing I've ever read on his site. You mean to say Jeff Lacy can hit harder than anyone in MMA? You mean to say the heavyweights the light heavyweights in MMA cannot hit harder than Jeff Lacy? Chuck Liddell, Cain velasquez, Brock Lesner, Shane Carwin, hell even welterweights like Paul Daley. There's hundreds of thousands of MMA fighters out there but not one of them can punch harder than Jeff Lacy?Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcherQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
diaz will probably take a decision sadly, such a meaningless fight and the only thing that can possibly come from it is diaz coming closer to the end of his chin (i dont think lacy can KO him, but he hits way harder than anyone in mma, and u can only take so many punches before ur chin is eventually shot, at least when u just let people hit you)
diaz KOs lacy and it means nothing - lacy KOs diaz it does nothing for lacy and diaz loses no momentum in mma, a decision for either is just as meaningless
i think this is an attempt by diazto get himself a big payday in mma, hes getting payed a decent amount for this fight
lol, noone near whatever weight WW is in mma hits NEAR as hard as lacy, its not even close, most mma guys barely knows how to throw punches, and i meant P4P (obviously) but are u seriously trying to tell me that paul daley has ANYTHING on lacy when it comes to just raw punching power?
daley wears mma gloves and wings wild ugly poorly thrown hooks, lacy at one point was a very dangerous puncher who know how to throw a left hook correctly, he may only have 1 round worth of trying left in him but that 1 round is WAY more than anything daley can do
on top of that velasquez doesnt even hit that hard, nogueira was a complete zombie by the time he fought velasquez and carwin doesnt even know how to throw a punch
if u wanna make a pointless argument at least mention a HW that can somewhat box, like if u said overeem or kharitanov but u seriously used carwin?
A) You don't even know the weight limit for the MMA welterweight devision so to comment and say no one hits as hard as Jeff Lacy in it is ludicrous! In your words "lol".
B)You meant p4p obviously thats why you wrote it! Oh wait...
C)Yes. I am seriously trying to tell you that Paul Daley has 'something' on Lacy as I've never seen Lacy hit someone so hard they face plant into the canvas nor have i heard of any of his opponents having to have surgery due to one of his punches (Dustin Hazlett).
D)When was this argument about how punches are thrown or who is the best boxer? It wasn't this is strictly about power so the pretty much shits all over your argument.
E)Velasquez doesn't hit that hard..you kidding me? Anyone who can KO someone with one punch hits hard. You've been blinded by Jeff Lacys saggy ball sack in your face!
F)A pointless argument? A pointless argument would be questioning your anal virginity which we all ready know Jeff Lacy has taken from you. Like i said before this isn't about boxing its about power and as it goes your statement about MMA fighter not having the same power or dare is say it more power than Jeff Lacy is wrong.
Please Overeem is a kickboxer. K1 ring any bells?
Lesner could hit like a girl from being stationary but with 260 pounds being a punch im guessing it would be quite hard. And maybe you need to watch some Liddell fights to make the judgment. If seen Lacy fights and his power isn't special.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossId say Lacy hits harder than Liddel fairly easily. Id also not mind betting that his punches would hurt more than that big titted fat gay Lesnar. If you were a boxer and got caught by Lesnar in a boxing match you should be ashamed of yourself.;DQuote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfanOkay that may be the stupidest thing I've ever read on his site. You mean to say Jeff Lacy can hit harder than anyone in MMA? You mean to say the heavyweights the light heavyweights in MMA cannot hit harder than Jeff Lacy? Chuck Liddell, Cain velasquez, Brock Lesner, Shane Carwin, hell even welterweights like Paul Daley. There's hundreds of thousands of MMA fighters out there but not one of them can punch harder than Jeff Lacy?Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcherQuote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyu
diaz will probably take a decision sadly, such a meaningless fight and the only thing that can possibly come from it is diaz coming closer to the end of his chin (i dont think lacy can KO him, but he hits way harder than anyone in mma, and u can only take so many punches before ur chin is eventually shot, at least when u just let people hit you)
diaz KOs lacy and it means nothing - lacy KOs diaz it does nothing for lacy and diaz loses no momentum in mma, a decision for either is just as meaningless
i think this is an attempt by diazto get himself a big payday in mma, hes getting payed a decent amount for this fight
Lacy will knock him out within 3 rounds.
Im not sure whether Lacy does hit harder than anyone in MMA...he hasnt knocked anyone out in a while. No doubt Wlad Klit would hit harder than ANYONE in MMA, put 4 ounce gloves on him and see the damage that would be done. The question is does Diaz hit hard enough with bigger gloves?
Interesting matchup if it happens. On recent form I'd take Diaz by one sided decision. Wouldn't surprise me if the referee stops it in the middke rounds.
It's a bit sad to see that some boxing diehards are still deluded about the quality of fighters in MMA. Diaz is a dangerous fighter, and when this happens I expect him to be too fast, too big and have too much in the tank for Lacy, who infairness should be retired by now.
I personally have watched MMA since UFC 1. I have watched MMA wayyyy before it was the hip popular cool thing that it is now. I like MMA a good deal, but I love boxing. I have long trained at an MMA gym, I have a good deal of respect for mma fighters, but Nick Diaz is just not a quality 10 round professional boxer. He simply does not have the experience, the power, or the skill in boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Club fighters tear Nick and Nate Diaz up at Kings Boxing Gym in Oakland, CA.
Thats a fact.
You for real Bilbo? On recent form what form has Diaz got he is not a boxer?? Lacy maybe shot to pieces but he is an ex world champ who is still only what 31/32? I would put the house on someone like Tony Dodson an average past it British top ten fighter to beat the shit out of Nick Diaz. Lacy will beat the shit out of him one million percent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I think Diaz gets some false confidence out of the fact he spars with Andre Ward and he claims to be able to get the better of him occasionally. When in actual fact I heard Ward just plays with him.
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Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
Put proper boxing gloves on Liddel and Lesnar and against a boxer and see how good there power is. Liddel would look like someone in one of those celebrity boxing matches with his technique.
On the other hand, put those little gloves on Lacy and put him in a cage and they wouldnt even think about trading with him. Couture didnt want to chance trading with Toney whos not even a puncher in boxing;)
How on earth can you know? Do you know every fighter in MMA? Do you know the level of there power? You can't possibly make accusations like that without the facts. We would have to do a some form of power test to see if that would be true. It's just crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Guys you wanna put this argument to bed? ok....We can all agree tat anderson silva is much better striker than nick diazo..correct? ok go watch his boxing match, he looked like shit against a shitty opponent, now watch how diazo is gonna look, i feel like this fight will have a positive effect on diaz mma carreer thou, he will sharpen up and be close to a real boxer because thats what most guys are lacking in mma, and please don't compare paul dally to lacy, the guy is NOT a good boxer, he is a good puncher, he knows how to throw punches, he does not know how to box...now if diazo has fought lacy a while ago, he would have got knocked the fuck out, but now i think lacy will just win a decision or maybe plant him a good one a few times.
I seriously don't know what drugs some people have been taking mate, especially Bilbo :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
I would expect are very own Youngblood to put a beat down on Nick Diaz never mind an experienced e x world champion!!
haha thats exactly my point, sure the guys looked bad against other BOXERS, but you cant discredit that the guy was a legit champion at one point, shit omar sheika would beat diaz assQuote:
Originally Posted by skel1983I seriously don't know what drugs some people have been taking mate, especially Bilbo :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
I would put expect are very own Youngblood to put a beat down on Nick Diaz never mind an experienced e x world champion!!
Bilbo is a big Nick Diaz fan so I think that is clouding his judgement.Quote:
Originally Posted by skel1983I seriously don't know what drugs some people have been taking mate, especially Bilbo :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxer4life
I would expect are very own Youngblood to put a beat down on Nick Diaz never mind an experienced e x world champion!!
Dont get your panties in a bunch mate. But lets be serious...you really think that Overeem, Brock Lesnar, Junior Dos Santos, Cain Velazquez could hit harder than Wlad. Some of these guys couldnt get knock outs with 4 ounce gloves, Wlad gets them all the time with 8 ounces gloves. What the fuck does that tell you? The hardest puncher I just mentioned would probably be JDS and he couldnt even finish Roy Nelson in a fight that was mostly standing. What do you think Wlad would of done to Roy Nelson if he landed repeated punches with 4 ounce gloves? What your saying is like...Do you know every boxer in the world, they may have better ju jitsu or wrestling you just dont know. Well lets work on whats more likely, a guy whos sport is to punch and has an extremely high knockout record with it is probably going to be better at it then someone whos sport is to punch, kick, wrestle, grapple (ju jitsu).Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfanHow on earth can you know? Do you know every fighter in MMA? Do you know the level of there power? You can't possibly make accusations like that without the facts. We would have to do a some form of power test to see if that would be true. It's just crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Most MMA fighters dont even have a proper boxing stance, they have wider stance and are more square so they have a better chance of stopping a takedown. Even Dana White says that boxing is completely different. Next thing your going to tell me is that these guys could of hit harder than Mike Tyson in his prime.
Im not even anti MMA, I buy every PPV, Ive seen the UFC live...i like watching it, I am a MMA fan. But lets be real: boxings hardest puncher would punch harder than MMAs...boxers technique is way better than an MMA punchers.
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Also, Wlad is knocking out people who know how to defend punches. Put any of Wlads championship knockout/stoppage victims in with any of those MMA names under boxing rules with 10 ounce gloves and watch how powerfull their punches are:rolleyes:
Also the other thing is...define punching power. Say we measure Junior Dos Santos's punching power, if he loads up a massive hook...and I mean brings it right back to the point it would be way too obvious to use in a fight and it measures at an incredible amount of power do we still count it? Wlad punches powerfully with good technique, MMA fighters have horrible technique. They dont know how to use their hips when punching and their stance is too front on to carry any real power. The 4 ounce gloves is what makes theirs punches powerful, if they had to use 8 ounce gloves without swinging like a rusty gate theyd lose a shit load of force.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossQuote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Also, Wlad is knocking out people who know how to defend punches. Put any of Wlads championship knockout/stoppage victims in with any of those MMA names under boxing rules with 10 ounce gloves and watch how powerfull their punches are:rolleyes:
fuks sake cant martial arts turn it in with the whole "we are better than boxers" thing
washed up boxer gets his arse handed to him by big ufc star, BORRRRRRIIIIIIINNNNG
They have the appropriate stance for the sport they are in. I think when Diaz boxes he is pretty likely to adopt a boxing stance no?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyDont get your panties in a bunch mate. But lets be serious...you really think that Overeem, Brock Lesnar, Junior Dos Santos, Cain Velazquez could hit harder than Wlad. Some of these guys couldnt get knock outs with 4 ounce gloves, Wlad gets them all the time with 8 ounces gloves. What the fuck does that tell you? The hardest puncher I just mentioned would probably be JDS and he couldnt even finish Roy Nelson in a fight that was mostly standing. What do you think Wlad would of done to Roy Nelson if he landed repeated punches with 4 ounce gloves? What your saying is like...Do you know every boxer in the world, they may have better ju jitsu or wrestling you just dont know. Well lets work on whats more likely, a guy whos sport is to punch and has an extremely high knockout record with it is probably going to be better at it then someone whos sport is to punch, kick, wrestle, grapple (ju jitsu).Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfanHow on earth can you know? Do you know every fighter in MMA? Do you know the level of there power? You can't possibly make accusations like that without the facts. We would have to do a some form of power test to see if that would be true. It's just crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Most MMA fighters dont even have a proper boxing stance, they have wider stance and are more square so they have a better chance of stopping a takedown. Even Dana White says that boxing is completely different. Next thing your going to tell me is that these guys could of hit harder than Mike Tyson in his prime.
Im not even anti MMA, I buy every PPV, Ive seen the UFC live...i like watching it, I am a MMA fan. But lets be real: boxings hardest puncher would punch harder than MMAs...boxers technique is way better than an MMA punchers.
You are arguing against your own point. It's like arguing that you can run faster than a runner when he's running 26 miles and you're running 100 metres.
Chances are good that if the marathon runner was sprinting with you he'd run at a different pace.
They are uselss with punches. Its like some of them never do any boxing sparring and if they do its only with other people who cant box.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
I remember Ortiz against Lidell, it was pathetic. One fighter was throwing like some drunk in a carpark and the other looked like a sissy in the fetal position scared shitless;D
One thing boxing gives a fighter over any other sport is composure under pressure. It makes you alot more calm that you have the footwork, reflexes, movement and basic defending skills to avoid getting caught or hurt. A boxer would be less likely to panic or run on his feet.
Dana White wouldn't allow it but if Someone were to take a decent boxer as a proect and give them a couple of years training in MMA They would have good success. Boxing is a more disciplined combat sport because its only punches and the fighters are generally fitter and more aware for it. Id have loved to see a younger Mayorga cross over but with the money on offer its just not worth it for them to waste their time for months training for tens of thousands rather than hundreds of thousands or even millions.
For all the talk of MMA taking over boxing because of viewing figures, why arent the fighters paid better? Why dont they pay more, then they would get better class boxers willing to cross over. Why dont more MMA fighters make use of their name to have a stab at a high profile boxing name and earn a few million in the process?
I can see why a boxer wouldnt want it but I cant see why more MMA fighters dont cross over? Other than they are crap and they know they would have no real success.
Im not arguing against my own point. We are saying MMA fighters as they punch today (technique not changed, stance not changed) do not punch in a way that lets them have optimum punching power. Im simply stating why they wouldnt punch harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboThey have the appropriate stance for the sport they are in. I think when Diaz boxes he is pretty likely to adopt a boxing stance no?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyDont get your panties in a bunch mate. But lets be serious...you really think that Overeem, Brock Lesnar, Junior Dos Santos, Cain Velazquez could hit harder than Wlad. Some of these guys couldnt get knock outs with 4 ounce gloves, Wlad gets them all the time with 8 ounces gloves. What the fuck does that tell you? The hardest puncher I just mentioned would probably be JDS and he couldnt even finish Roy Nelson in a fight that was mostly standing. What do you think Wlad would of done to Roy Nelson if he landed repeated punches with 4 ounce gloves? What your saying is like...Do you know every boxer in the world, they may have better ju jitsu or wrestling you just dont know. Well lets work on whats more likely, a guy whos sport is to punch and has an extremely high knockout record with it is probably going to be better at it then someone whos sport is to punch, kick, wrestle, grapple (ju jitsu).Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfanHow on earth can you know? Do you know every fighter in MMA? Do you know the level of there power? You can't possibly make accusations like that without the facts. We would have to do a some form of power test to see if that would be true. It's just crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Most MMA fighters dont even have a proper boxing stance, they have wider stance and are more square so they have a better chance of stopping a takedown. Even Dana White says that boxing is completely different. Next thing your going to tell me is that these guys could of hit harder than Mike Tyson in his prime.
Im not even anti MMA, I buy every PPV, Ive seen the UFC live...i like watching it, I am a MMA fan. But lets be real: boxings hardest puncher would punch harder than MMAs...boxers technique is way better than an MMA punchers.
You are arguing against your own point. It's like arguing that you can run faster than a runner when he's running 26 miles and you're running 100 metres.
Chances are good that if the marathon runner was sprinting with you he'd run at a different pace.
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Originally Posted by SnakeyIm not arguing against my own point. We are saying MMA fighters as they punch today (technique not changed, stance not changed) do not punch in a way that lets them have optimum punching power. Im simply stating why they wouldnt punch harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboThey have the appropriate stance for the sport they are in. I think when Diaz boxes he is pretty likely to adopt a boxing stance no?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyDont get your panties in a bunch mate. But lets be serious...you really think that Overeem, Brock Lesnar, Junior Dos Santos, Cain Velazquez could hit harder than Wlad. Some of these guys couldnt get knock outs with 4 ounce gloves, Wlad gets them all the time with 8 ounces gloves. What the fuck does that tell you? The hardest puncher I just mentioned would probably be JDS and he couldnt even finish Roy Nelson in a fight that was mostly standing. What do you think Wlad would of done to Roy Nelson if he landed repeated punches with 4 ounce gloves? What your saying is like...Do you know every boxer in the world, they may have better ju jitsu or wrestling you just dont know. Well lets work on whats more likely, a guy whos sport is to punch and has an extremely high knockout record with it is probably going to be better at it then someone whos sport is to punch, kick, wrestle, grapple (ju jitsu).Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfanHow on earth can you know? Do you know every fighter in MMA? Do you know the level of there power? You can't possibly make accusations like that without the facts. We would have to do a some form of power test to see if that would be true. It's just crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Most MMA fighters dont even have a proper boxing stance, they have wider stance and are more square so they have a better chance of stopping a takedown. Even Dana White says that boxing is completely different. Next thing your going to tell me is that these guys could of hit harder than Mike Tyson in his prime.
Im not even anti MMA, I buy every PPV, Ive seen the UFC live...i like watching it, I am a MMA fan. But lets be real: boxings hardest puncher would punch harder than MMAs...boxers technique is way better than an MMA punchers.
You are arguing against your own point. It's like arguing that you can run faster than a runner when he's running 26 miles and you're running 100 metres.
Chances are good that if the marathon runner was sprinting with you he'd run at a different pace.
It makes no sense Snakey, it's like saying one swimmer doing breaststroke is a slower swimmer than somebody doing front crawl. You can't accurately say which one would be faster unless they were both doing the same stroke.
Who will be the puncher between Lacy and Diaz, I don't know for sure but giving Lacy's recent performances I'll go with Nick.
Not really sure what this accomplishes for either guy. In an ideal scenario they would match two top guys who were still on top level in respected sports. Of course Lacy would give all to have been effective there at all. Both could pulverize the other into powder then go into foes arena and experience the same fate. Lacys toast and his power has always been overstated, turned him into a unrealized injury pron one trick pony. Not familiar with Diaz really, heard he's quite the asshole and has a brother. Bout it.
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Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyIm not arguing against my own point. We are saying MMA fighters as they punch today (technique not changed, stance not changed) do not punch in a way that lets them have optimum punching power. Im simply stating why they wouldnt punch harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboThey have the appropriate stance for the sport they are in. I think when Diaz boxes he is pretty likely to adopt a boxing stance no?Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyDont get your panties in a bunch mate. But lets be serious...you really think that Overeem, Brock Lesnar, Junior Dos Santos, Cain Velazquez could hit harder than Wlad. Some of these guys couldnt get knock outs with 4 ounce gloves, Wlad gets them all the time with 8 ounces gloves. What the fuck does that tell you? The hardest puncher I just mentioned would probably be JDS and he couldnt even finish Roy Nelson in a fight that was mostly standing. What do you think Wlad would of done to Roy Nelson if he landed repeated punches with 4 ounce gloves? What your saying is like...Do you know every boxer in the world, they may have better ju jitsu or wrestling you just dont know. Well lets work on whats more likely, a guy whos sport is to punch and has an extremely high knockout record with it is probably going to be better at it then someone whos sport is to punch, kick, wrestle, grapple (ju jitsu).Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfanHow on earth can you know? Do you know every fighter in MMA? Do you know the level of there power? You can't possibly make accusations like that without the facts. We would have to do a some form of power test to see if that would be true. It's just crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
Most MMA fighters dont even have a proper boxing stance, they have wider stance and are more square so they have a better chance of stopping a takedown. Even Dana White says that boxing is completely different. Next thing your going to tell me is that these guys could of hit harder than Mike Tyson in his prime.
Im not even anti MMA, I buy every PPV, Ive seen the UFC live...i like watching it, I am a MMA fan. But lets be real: boxings hardest puncher would punch harder than MMAs...boxers technique is way better than an MMA punchers.
You are arguing against your own point. It's like arguing that you can run faster than a runner when he's running 26 miles and you're running 100 metres.
Chances are good that if the marathon runner was sprinting with you he'd run at a different pace.
It makes no sense Snakey, it's like saying one swimmer doing breaststroke is a slower swimmer than somebody doing front crawl. You can't accurately say which one would be faster unless they were both doing the same stroke.
Who will be the puncher between Lacy and Diaz, I don't know for sure but giving Lacy's recent performances I'll go with Nick.
A better analogy would have been to say it's like a proffesional swimmer facing off against a Triathlete. Of course boxers in general are better punchers than MMA fighters, it absurd to suggest otherwise really. Lacy however is completely toast, and Diaz does have very good boxing skills for an MMA fighter. Crap fight though.