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You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
I don't understand how everyone is doing this I mean really? People act as if Manny had al;l he could handle against Mosley yet he won in dominate fashion...We just did not see the all out attacking style we are used to with Manny...
Mosley is a fighter hard to look good against....To say PBF would beat Manny because Manny did not stop Mosley is like saying Manny will for certain KO PBF because Mosley hurt PBF and Manny dropped Mosley....Just makes no sense
Lets see Floyd actually fight ANYONE before his name is even brought into the circle...For right now both men went 12 with Mosley...For as shot as we label Shane truth is in 12 months he went the distance with the 2 fighters the world rates as P4P #1 and #2....
If anything it is a feather in the cap of Shane for doing so rather then detraction from either Floyd or Manny.....
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
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DaxxKahn
I don't understand how everyone is doing this I mean really? People act as if Manny had al;l he could handle against Mosley yet he won in dominate fashion...We just did not see the all out attacking style we are used to with Manny...
Mosley is a fighter hard to look good against....To say PBF would beat Manny because Manny did not stop Mosley is like saying Manny will for certain KO PBF because Mosley hurt PBF and Manny dropped Mosley....Just makes no sense
Lets see Floyd actually fight ANYONE before his name is even brought into the circle...For right now both men went 12 with Mosley...For as shot as we label Shane truth is in 12 months he went the distance with the 2 fighters the world rates as P4P #1 and #2....
If anything it is a feather in the cap of Shane for doing so rather then detraction from either Floyd or Manny.....
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
I agree with the fact that the 2 fights are completely different and the comparison to a potential PBF fight is pointless, however (and much as I like Manny and dislike Floyd) I still maintain the opionion I have always had that Floyd will beat Manny if they ever fight.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
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BIG H
I agree with the fact that the 2 fights are completely different and the comparison to a potential PBF fight is pointless, however (and much as I like Manny and dislike Floyd) I still maintain the opinion I have always had that Floyd will beat Manny if they ever fight.
In truth I really can not pick a winner...I look at it like this..
Manny has never face a fighter who can counter like Floyd I mean the guy just knows how to read an opponent..on the other hand...
Floyd has never faced a fighter as fast or who hits as hard with the pace Manny can keep up...Plus Manny is getting better defenseively....
I will PROMISE this IF and WHEN the fight does happen it will be a disapointment for us all....There will not be the action we expect or the counter punching we expect to see
There has just been tooo much build up for the fight to ever live up to its hype...I mean it would have to be Ali/Frazier 1, SRR/Hearns 1 and the Gatti/Ward trilogy all wrapped in one just tpo break even on expectations that how hyped up it has been..almost impossible to live up to
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
agreed! as a "pactard" i can't help but be impressed by a naturally smaller man inflicting more damage.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
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DaxxKahn
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BIG H
I agree with the fact that the 2 fights are completely different and the comparison to a potential PBF fight is pointless, however (and much as I like Manny and dislike Floyd) I still maintain the opinion I have always had that Floyd will beat Manny if they ever fight.
In truth I really can not pick a winner...I look at it like this..
Manny has never face a fighter who can counter like Floyd I mean the guy just knows how to read an opponent..on the other hand...
Floyd has never faced a fighter as fast or who hits as hard with the pace Manny can keep up...Plus Manny is getting better defenseively....
I will PROMISE this IF and WHEN the fight does happen it will be a disapointment for us all....There will not be the action we expect or the counter punching we expect to see
There has just been tooo much build up for the fight to ever live up to its hype...I mean it would have to be Ali/Frazier 1, SRR/Hearns 1 and the Gatti/Ward trilogy all wrapped in one just tpo break even on expectations that how hyped up it has been..almost impossible to live up to
First I'd like to say I completely agree with you. That fight kinda hurt.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
People say all types of crap. People said animal kingdom couldn't win the Kentucky Derby because he never ran on a dirt track before. Sports are up and down, just because you performed well one time doesn't mean you're going to do it the next time. Mayweather will be Manny's ultimate test.
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I get the feeling now that a floyd vs pacqiaou match will also go the full 12 but the score may be close.
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Mosley showed absolutely no boxing IQ. Cotto, who is more chinny had more success boxing Manny.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
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Jimanuel Boogustus
Mosley showed absolutely no boxing IQ. Cotto, who is more chinny had more success boxing Manny.
You're exaggerating a bit mate. :)
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
We've been doing this for years, not going to stop now. haha Judging by last nights fight Manny knocks Floyd down a few times, but gets outboxed a little bit making the fight closer, but wins a close decision. Fact!
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
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You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
Who would?
Shane has no jab. Floyd has the best in the business. Shane lost his right hand by moving to his right. Floyd wont do that and has the best short right counter in boxing. A perfect southpaw counter. Shane stands straight up. Floyd fights like a Burley or Langford with that Philly shell. Shane cant fight on the back foot. Floyd if he needs to, is the best fighter on the planet off the back foot.
Floyd does everything great that Manny has issues with.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
Idiots will try and say that because Floyd couldn't knock Shane down... but manny could that this automatically means that manny is better.
That is a lot like saying that because Mosley stopped Margarito and knocked him down several times... whilst Margarito lasted the distance with Manny... that Shane is better than manny... obviously last night showed that this is not the case.
What I think it shows is that Manny is better fighting guys who are there, when they're on their bike he is not at his best. I think Floyd would capitalize on this and soften Manny up with some potshots... it'd be the typical Floyd... spending 3-4 rounds figuring a guy out and then pretty much shutting them out from there, Manny's phenomenal athleticism gives him a decent shout but I think Floyd handles him... too big a boxing brain.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
I agree Daxx, the fights with Shane only adds to both Pac and Floyds ring reputation. It does not prove what could happen in a Pac vs Floyd fight. Mosley isn't even the only fighter both Pac and Floyd have fought. Oscar, Hatton and JMM are the other three.
Like I said the Shane fight only adds on to Pacs and Floyds ring reputation but we already know Pac and Floyd individually. Pac has speed and power Floyd has great defense and counters.
As for the comment about the fight not living up to the hype. I think the number 1 reason everyone wants to see the fight isn't the fight itself, it is the result that we all want to see. It could be boring but having a result at the end satisfies us.
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AdamGB
Idiots will try and say that because Floyd couldn't knock Shane down... but manny could that this automatically means that manny is better.
That is a lot like saying that because Mosley stopped Margarito and knocked him down several times... whilst Margarito lasted the distance with Manny... that Shane is better than manny... obviously last night showed that this is not the case.
What I think it shows is that Manny is better fighting guys who are there, when they're on their bike he is not at his best. I think Floyd would capitalize on this and soften Manny up with some potshots... it'd be the typical Floyd... spending 3-4 rounds figuring a guy out and then pretty much shutting them out from there, Manny's phenomenal athleticism gives him a decent shout but I think Floyd handles him... too big a boxing brain.
:coolclick: totally agree.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
i agree and i also said the same thing on another thread.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
All threads with Mosley name in it should be LOCKED!!! Better yet, CLOSE!!!
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
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AdamGB
Idiots will try and say that because Floyd couldn't knock Shane down... but manny could that this automatically means that manny is better.
That is a lot like saying that because Mosley stopped Margarito and knocked him down several times... whilst Margarito lasted the distance with Manny... that Shane is better than manny... obviously last night showed that this is not the case.
What I think it shows is that Manny is better fighting guys who are there, when they're on their bike he is not at his best. I think Floyd would capitalize on this and soften Manny up with some potshots... it'd be the typical Floyd... spending 3-4 rounds figuring a guy out and then pretty much shutting them out from there, Manny's phenomenal athleticism gives him a decent shout but I think Floyd handles him... too big a boxing brain.
This
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
You can never use fighter a and b to determine what would happen against fighter c. That is just silly. Dougless beat tyson who beat everyone before hand, so did that make dougless a killer or determine what he could do against anyone else cause he ko'ed the best ? No. And pac or floyd beating whoever has nothing to do with how'd they'd fare against each other. Ask salido how much common opponets helped juan ma.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
Floyd has yet to be in a fight where he was fighting desperately to survive so the comparisons are not too accurate because no one really knows what he'll do and Manny may or may not be that opponent. He is however one thing for sure that Floyd is not and that is active. I'm taking nothing away from Floyd but ever since the Castillo fight and the fact that he had a hard time, one fight is not a gauge.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
Manny vs Shane is proof of nothing, as for Pacquiao vs. Mayweather, if it ever actually happens, I favor Pacquiao for one simple reason: these 2 are evenly matched, however, as good as Mayweather is, there's no substitute for being in the ring regularly, his inactivity will be his downfall.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
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Mars_ax
Manny vs Shane is proof of nothing, as for Pacquiao vs. Mayweather, if it ever actually happens, I favor Pacquiao for one simple reason: these 2 are evenly matched, however, as good as Mayweather is, there's no substitute for being in the ring regularly, his inactivity will be his downfall.
i stll think pbf can pot shot manny all night, but i also do think that if they trade shots Pac can seriously hurt him.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
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Mars_ax
Manny vs Shane is proof of nothing, as for Pacquiao vs. Mayweather, if it ever actually happens, I favor Pacquiao for one simple reason: these 2 are evenly matched, however, as good as Mayweather is, there's no substitute for being in the ring regularly, his inactivity will be his downfall.
Leonard came back after 3 years to beat Hagler and Jofre came back after more then a 3 year retirement following his loss to Harada and won about 15 straight and then beat Legra for his feather title at 37years of age. Eder was a bantam when he retired and Leonard a welter.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
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Pavlik
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Mars_ax
Manny vs Shane is proof of nothing, as for Pacquiao vs. Mayweather, if it ever actually happens, I favor Pacquiao for one simple reason: these 2 are evenly matched, however, as good as Mayweather is, there's no substitute for being in the ring regularly, his inactivity will be his downfall.
i stll think pbf can pot shot manny all night, but i also do think that if they trade shots Pac can seriously hurt him.
Just saying, Pacquiao has been a very active fighter the last 5 years, Mayweather has not. So far PBF has been able to get away with being inactive because of his tremendous skills, but he has NEVER fought anyone on the same level as Pacquiao. Ring-rust will rear it's ugly head, and give Pacquiao, the edge he needs to win this fight.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
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IamInuit
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Mars_ax
Manny vs Shane is proof of nothing, as for Pacquiao vs. Mayweather, if it ever actually happens, I favor Pacquiao for one simple reason: these 2 are evenly matched, however, as good as Mayweather is, there's no substitute for being in the ring regularly, his inactivity will be his downfall.
Leonard came back after 3 years to beat Hagler and Jofre came back after more then a 3 year retirement following his loss to Harada and won about 15 straight and then beat Legra for his feather title at 37years of age. Eder was a bantam when he retired and Leonard a welter.
Different fights, different fighters, i'll say this, if Mayweather is able to convincingly defeat Pacquiao being as inactive as he's been, then he is in fact, one of the best of all-time.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
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johnsebastianmiran
Floyd has yet to be in a fight where he was fighting desperately to survive so the comparisons are not too accurate because no one really knows what he'll do and Manny may or may not be that opponent. He is however one thing for sure that Floyd is not and that is active. I'm taking nothing away from Floyd but ever since the Castillo fight and the fact that he had a hard time, one fight is not a gauge.
Why do boxing fans always consider this a bad thing? That a fighter hasn't been made to have to fight life or death desperately to survive. Wouldn't that be a feather in the cap of the fighter to have been able to win against hard opposition and not be taken into the trenches. If Pacquiao had more of a history where he had to fight desperately to survive then that would mean that it's easier to drag him into the trenches and desperation mode than it is to take Mayweather to the same place, so wouldn't that be a bad thing if one fighter has shown in their career they can be taken there while the other hasn't no matter who was up against him? It's kind of like saying, Fighter A hasn't shown that he can be hurt to the body yet, Fighter B has been hurt to the body many times before, so if Fighter B can make Fighter A hurt to the body he can win. But what happens if Fighter A attacks Fighter B to the body?
So NOT being taken to the trenches shouldn't be seen as a disadvantage against someone that has. It means you don't put yourself in position to be taken there, not that you can't.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
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Mars_ax
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IamInuit
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Mars_ax
Manny vs Shane is proof of nothing, as for Pacquiao vs. Mayweather, if it ever actually happens, I favor Pacquiao for one simple reason: these 2 are evenly matched, however, as good as Mayweather is, there's no substitute for being in the ring regularly, his inactivity will be his downfall.
Leonard came back after 3 years to beat Hagler and Jofre came back after more then a 3 year retirement following his loss to Harada and won about 15 straight and then beat Legra for his feather title at 37years of age. Eder was a bantam when he retired and Leonard a welter.
Different fights, different fighters, i'll say this, if Mayweather is able to convincingly defeat Pacquiao being as inactive as he's been, then he is in fact, one of the best of all-time.
I do not dispute that. I just do not agree with the conclusion you draw from the time off.
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Re: You can not use Manny/Shane as proof of how Manny/PBF will go
I doubt if floyd will ever be in a fight where he has to survive unless he gets hit with one lucky shot. Nobody has been able to slow down his upper torso movement to the point where he is easy to hit. His speed of upper body movement coupled with his great footwork and great defence makes it hard for any fighter to hurt him bad enough to put him in survival mode. You might as well say his speed of everything.
