This is dedicated to ALL of you who said SSM was a worthy opponent...

Each and every single one of you should give yourselves a 1 weeks ban for not seeing something that was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucken obvious.

You can stay logged on for today as we need people to push around and talk shit to but your ban starts tomorrow.

and if any one of you comes up with some shit like "Well at least he went 12" or "At least he didn't get KOd" I will fucken lose it. :mad:

and I stand by my comment that it should have been JMM in that ring last night.
I'd bet my life that JMM gives Pac a much better fight then SSM.

That is all, as you were... :)

I thought he had a shot early but that was something else. I could not believe my eyes again when I saw him walking to his right. Does anybody at the elite level anymore know how to fight a southpaw? And he had Richardson in his corner.

Yea. That fight was wrongfully granted to SSM.

If Floyd puss out again... then Pacquiao-JMM 3. Bring it! :cool:

I admit I thought it would be a decent scrap. I'll eat crow. I'm disappointed in Shane.

I gave Floyd credit when he beat Shane even though other people, Mick included, that told me he was too old and shot before that one. I was wrong last night and I was wrong then, I guess.

I don't want to see Shane fight again. He needs to retire.

You talkin to me? You talkin to ME?

Shane was never a worthy foe. Problem is I'm not sure who is who is willing at this point?

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Yea. That fight was wrongfully granted to SSM.

If Floyd puss out again... then Pacquiao-JMM 3. Bring it! :cool:

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Pac vs. JMM would be fucken greatness...

Nothing would please me more as a fan than to see those 2 go at it again.
JMM is not the fastest, strongest, quickest but my goodness does that guy love to fight and what can you say about Pac he's just a beast.

Hey PSL, last week I ate "pansit" I believe it's called.
So damn good. I easily served myself 2 plates full. :)

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I admit I thought it would be a decent scrap. I'll eat crow. I'm disappointed in Shane.

I gave Floyd credit when he beat Shane even though other people, Mick included, that told me he was too old and shot before that one. I was wrong last night and I was wrong then, I guess.

I don't want to see Shane fight again. He needs to retire.

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It's all good Rant...

I'm actually waiting for a couple particular people here.
Not you to be honest.
But it's all in good fun like I said. ;)

Who's never been wrong on here?
(Even the self-proclaimed Fenster is wrong... and often may I add)

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Yea. That fight was wrongfully granted to SSM.

If Floyd puss out again... then Pacquiao-JMM 3. Bring it! :cool:

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Pac vs. JMM would be fucken greatness...

Nothing would please me more as a fan than to see those 2 go at it again.
JMM is not the fastest, strongest, quickest but my goodness does that guy love to fight and what can you say about Pac he's just a beast.

Hey PSL, last week I ate "pansit" I believe it's called.
So damn good. I easily served myself 2 plates full. :)

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OMG. Haha!

Yep, you got it. It's pansit! And it is damn good.

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

You talkin to me? You talkin to ME?

Shane was never a worthy foe. Problem is I'm not sure who is who is willing at this point?

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YEAH I'M TALKIN' TO JUUUU!!!

When you say who is willing, what do you mean by who is willing?
I mean willing I'm sure there's a couple of guys who are willing to fight him.

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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::

Yea. That fight was wrongfully granted to SSM.

If Floyd puss out again... then Pacquiao-JMM 3. Bring it! :cool:

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Pac vs. JMM would be fucken greatness...

Nothing would please me more as a fan than to see those 2 go at it again.
JMM is not the fastest, strongest, quickest but my goodness does that guy love to fight and what can you say about Pac he's just a beast.

Hey PSL, last week I ate "pansit" I believe it's called.
So damn good. I easily served myself 2 plates full. :)

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yeah but at weight? JMM doesn't look good at over 140 although that was against Floyd. And for sure Pac isn't fighting JMM below 140. I don't know if this will be a good fight.

personally, marquez donest stand a chance, and mick easy to say in hindsight, think back a little, did u pick shane to beat margarito? or did u think he was over the hill? i still say if shane let his hands go it would have been a fight for atlas a few rounds, his problem wasn't physical, it was mental, he can take manny out, as well as manny can take him out, he just saw manny as a god, and didn't have the heart to pull the trigger

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

You talkin to me? You talkin to ME?

Shane was never a worthy foe. Problem is I'm not sure who is who is willing at this point?

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YEAH I'M TALKIN' TO JUUUU!!!

When you say who is willing, what do you mean by who is willing?
I mean willing I'm sure there's a couple of guys who are willing to fight him.

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Who is BOTH worthy and willing is what I meant.

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Originally Posted by Boxer4life

personally, marquez donest stand a chance, and mick easy to say in hindsight, think back a little, did u pick shane to beat margarito? or did u think he was over the hill? i still say if shane let his hands go it would have been a fight for atlas a few rounds, his problem wasn't physical, it was mental, he can take manny out, as well as manny can take him out, he just saw manny as a god, and didn't have the heart to pull the trigger

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Nah, that's not mental, it's old man frozen hands. He can see the openings, but he can no longer react to them.

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personally, marquez donest stand a chance, and mick easy to say in hindsight, think back a little, did u pick shane to beat margarito? or did u think he was over the hill? i still say if shane let his hands go it would have been a fight for atlas a few rounds, his problem wasn't physical, it was mental, he can take manny out, as well as manny can take him out, he just saw manny as a god, and didn't have the heart to pull the trigger

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To be honest I don't remember if I picked sides on that fight.
I'm gonna run a search and see if I can pull up my pick.
I def. didn't pick Margarito because I'm a Cotto fan. So I know that much.

But in the event, wasn't the Margarito fight like 3/4 fights ago?

Hindsight? I saw SSM decline since he fought 2 good rounds vs. PBF after that I knew he was done. This happens often boxers hands and or feet just dont respond and move like they used to.

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

You talkin to me? You talkin to ME?

Shane was never a worthy foe. Problem is I'm not sure who is who is willing at this point?

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YEAH I'M TALKIN' TO JUUUU!!!

When you say who is willing, what do you mean by who is willing?
I mean willing I'm sure there's a couple of guys who are willing to fight him.

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Who is BOTH worthy and willing is what I meant.

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Worthy... Is JMM not a worthy opponent?
I'm sure he's willing.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Each and every single one of you should give yourselves a 1 weeks ban for not seeing something that was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucken obvious.

You can stay logged on for today as we need people to push around and talk shit to but your ban starts tomorrow.

and if any one of you comes up with some shit like "Well at least he went 12" or "At least he didn't get KOd" I will fucken lose it. :mad:

and I stand by my comment that it should have been JMM in that ring last night.
I'd bet my life that JMM gives Pac a much better fight then SSM.

That is all, as you were... :)

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I usually agree with you Mick but this post confuses me. You think JMM was a better opponent that Shane?

wow :o

Ok we all know Pac and JMM had two close fights but you're saying an older, slower, more hittable JMM is a better opponent to a bigger, stronger, more complete pacman?

I agree that JMM would make it a better fight because he would engage but like Shane said, he did not engage because he would get knock out.

Do you think JMM will win and not get knock out? JMM has been dropped by lesser opponent and has not proven himself anywhere near welterweight.

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personally, marquez donest stand a chance, and mick easy to say in hindsight, think back a little, did u pick shane to beat margarito? or did u think he was over the hill? i still say if shane let his hands go it would have been a fight for atlas a few rounds, his problem wasn't physical, it was mental, he can take manny out, as well as manny can take him out, he just saw manny as a god, and didn't have the heart to pull the trigger

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To be honest I don't remember if I picked sides on that fight.
I'm gonna run a search and see if I can pull up my pick.
I def. didn't pick Margarito because I'm a Cotto fan. So I know that much.

But in the event, wasn't the Margarito fight like 3/4 fights ago?

Hindsight? I saw SSM decline since he fought 2 good rounds vs. PBF after that I knew he was done. This happens often boxers hands and or feet just dont respond and move like they used to.

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I see your point, but i guess in hope i thought shane can do it, but nonetheless shane was a huge underdog in that fight swell, and he pulled through, i though he might do the same but he didn't, it was strange how cautious manny was thou

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personally, marquez donest stand a chance, and mick easy to say in hindsight, think back a little, did u pick shane to beat margarito? or did u think he was over the hill? i still say if shane let his hands go it would have been a fight for atlas a few rounds, his problem wasn't physical, it was mental, he can take manny out, as well as manny can take him out, he just saw manny as a god, and didn't have the heart to pull the trigger

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Nah, that's not mental, it's old man frozen hands. He can see the openings, but he can no longer react to them.

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Yeah i guess fighters that depend on athleticism have it coming one day(Roy jones)

SSM got a knock down! That's more than a lot of people can say! ;)

(all be it a fake one!)

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Each and every single one of you should give yourselves a 1 weeks ban for not seeing something that was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucken obvious.

You can stay logged on for today as we need people to push around and talk shit to but your ban starts tomorrow.

and if any one of you comes up with some shit like "Well at least he went 12" or "At least he didn't get KOd" I will fucken lose it. :mad:

and I stand by my comment that it should have been JMM in that ring last night.
I'd bet my life that JMM gives Pac a much better fight then SSM.

That is all, as you were... :)

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I usually agree with you Mick but this post confuses me. You think JMM was a better opponent that Shane?

wow :o

Ok we all know Pac and JMM had two close fights but you're saying an older, slower, more hittable JMM is a better opponent to a bigger, stronger, more complete pacman?

I agree that JMM would make it a better fight because he would engage but like Shane said, he did not engage because he would get knock out.

Do you think JMM will win and not get knock out? JMM has been dropped by lesser opponent and has not proven himself anywhere near welterweight.

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I think you either read my post wrong or you meant to put SSM and not Pac?
Or your taking my comment and twisting it a bit.
Just because I think JMM is a better opponent than SSM it doesn't mean I think JMM is a better than Pac. So don't twist it...

I posted this to PSL in an earlier post:
"JMM is not the fastest, strongest, quickest but my goodness does that guy love to fight and what can you say about Pac he's just a beast."

Yes I think JMM is a better opponent than SSM.
Yes I think it should have been JMM last night.
Yes I think JMM has a shot at beating Pac at 140 or 135.
Anything past 140, me fiiiinks JMM is deat where he stands.

Maybe if JMM weight-drains Pac to come down to his weight we could see the fight happening. JMM going all the way up to his weight, not sure if he will be as effective as their last 2 fights that could have gone either way.

I didnt watch the Mora fight vs Mosley...can I get a break?

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I didnt watch the Mora fight vs Mosley...can I get a break?

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We will have a quick 5 min talk and get back to you on this one.

Did you see the Mayorga fight and the PBF fight?

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I didnt watch the Mora fight vs Mosley...can I get a break?

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We will have a quick 5 min talk and get back to you on this one.

Did you see the Mayorga fight and the PBF fight?

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The PBF fight, your gonna hold that against me? Come on he rocked the greatest fighter of all times;D, but he just couldn't hang with the skills of Mayweather. Yes, the Mayorga fight should have told me something but Mayorga had just beat Vargas(another past it fighter) so he had some momentum.

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personally, marquez donest stand a chance, and mick easy to say in hindsight, think back a little, did u pick shane to beat margarito? or did u think he was over the hill? i still say if shane let his hands go it would have been a fight for atlas a few rounds, his problem wasn't physical, it was mental, he can take manny out, as well as manny can take him out, he just saw manny as a god, and didn't have the heart to pull the trigger

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There's a reason Roach wanted nothing to do with Shane after he destroyed Margarito... He was BEGGING Roach for the fight, saying he'd cut mad weight to make it happen but Roach didn't want it.

Down the line Shane looks old against Floyd, like he can't pull the trigger or get his timing right... he then struggles with Sergio bloody Mora and is inactive for months and months, strangely the fight now happens... despite the fact that after beating margarito in such fashion, nobody was sure if Shane had somehow reinvigorated himself or if it was simply the last great performance of a faded star... I guess roach waited to find out for sure first.

I'll gladly fasten my seatbelt and take my place on the short bus for this one. Shit I thought it would be a solid scrap annnnnnnnd picked Shiner-Shane to pull the upset. Holy hell someone better follow me around the rest of the day and let me know when my own boot falls outta my ass. Hindsight I wish and thought Pac had a platter to make a huge statement by going for stoppage but he equally showed he could temper a flow and shift, boos had to be hell though. Never thought I'd hear that. Shane fought like he was trying to preserve something that no longer exists. He could have went out grabbed last oppurtunity by the throat but looked just content to stand on stage. Wise, durable but really at end, he was there to get got. Time to roll out Shane. Stepping stone is a title you are to good to wear.

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I didnt watch the Mora fight vs Mosley...can I get a break?

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Not in the days of Youtube :)

Of course those are 45 minutes I'll never get back that I'm certain you sepnt more productively...by dropping cinderblocks on your feet...or listening to the best of Air Supply...or swallowing Drano.

If there is a Pac - JMM III, Marquez won't make it to the halfway point. The end will be brutal and swift.

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I didnt watch the Mora fight vs Mosley...can I get a break?

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What an abortion of a fight that was. You deserve a ribbon for being smart enough to avoid it.

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I didnt watch the Mora fight vs Mosley...can I get a break?

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What an abortion of a fight that was. You deserve a ribbon for being smart enough to avoid it.

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It was even worse than Calzaghe-Hopkins.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Each and every single one of you should give yourselves a 1 weeks ban for not seeing something that was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo fucken obvious.

You can stay logged on for today as we need people to push around and talk shit to but your ban starts tomorrow.

and if any one of you comes up with some shit like "Well at least he went 12" or "At least he didn't get KOd" I will fucken lose it. :mad:

and I stand by my comment that it should have been JMM in that ring last night.
I'd bet my life that JMM gives Pac a much better fight then SSM.

That is all, as you were... :)

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I usually agree with you Mick but this post confuses me. You think JMM was a better opponent that Shane?

wow :o

Ok we all know Pac and JMM had two close fights but you're saying an older, slower, more hittable JMM is a better opponent to a bigger, stronger, more complete pacman?

I agree that JMM would make it a better fight because he would engage but like Shane said, he did not engage because he would get knock out.

Do you think JMM will win and not get knock out? JMM has been dropped by lesser opponent and has not proven himself anywhere near welterweight.

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I think you either read my post wrong or you meant to put SSM and not Pac?
Or your taking my comment and twisting it a bit.
Just because I think JMM is a better opponent than SSM it doesn't mean I think JMM is a better than Pac. So don't twist it...

I posted this to PSL in an earlier post:
"JMM is not the fastest, strongest, quickest but my goodness does that guy love to fight and what can you say about Pac he's just a beast."

Yes I think JMM is a better opponent than SSM.
Yes I think it should have been JMM last night.
Yes I think JMM has a shot at beating Pac at 140 or 135.
Anything past 140, me fiiiinks JMM is deat where he stands.

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When you said JMM is a better opponent than SSM you need to clarify that JMM is a better opponent if it was not at the welterweight division.

I agree with you completely that JMM stands no chance against pac at welterweight.

Mick do you expect Pac to go back to 140 let alone 135 just to fight somebody he already beat? You know boxing better than that Mick. If this third fight happens you know it will be above 140. It would be a courtesy to JMM if they do a 145 catchweight but that is irrelevent anyway since Pac never weighs more than 145. You know boxing better than many of the members here Mick, you know this fight will be above 140 and thats where I disagree with you and believe SSM is the better opponent above 140.

Be cool brotha Im just saying the facts man, this is how boxing works and Im not trying to twist things. Even if Pac wanted to fight JMM at 135 or 140, it wouldnt be ideal because thats not how boxing works. Fighters have to go where the cash cow is, thats how pac ended up at welterweight and left JMM behind.

JMM is a better opponent than Shane Mosley Rains, simply because he's arguably beat him twice. And he's fought both the one dimensional Manny Pacquiao, and the new and improved Manny Pacquiao. And basically fought on even terms twice and won more rounds.

And in this point of there careers, JMM is certainly a more dangerous opponent than SSM.

I agree JMM is a bit past it now, he's more hittable and gets marked up easily now. But he's still got a alot of heart, and whether it is at 147 or not. He'd still Manny Pacquiao a much tougher test than SSM. Simply because he'd take chances and fight, something SSM didn't do at all.

But i do agree JMM isn't really a Welterweight, he looked bloated when he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr at Welterweight. But maybe a catchweight would be fair ?

I don't really see much else for Manny Pacquiao, there's nothing for him at Welterweight really, nor at Jr Middleweight so JMM is his last option or retire.

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JMM is a better opponent than Shane Mosley Rains, simply because he's arguably beat him twice. And he's fought both the one dimensional Manny Pacquiao, and the new and improved Manny Pacquiao. And basically fought on even terms twice and won more rounds.

And in this point of there careers, JMM is certainly a more dangerous opponent than SSM.

I agree JMM is a bit past it now, he's more hittable and gets marked up easily now. But he's still got a alot of heart, and whether it is at 147 or not. He'd still Manny Pacquiao a much tougher test than SSM. Simply because he'd take chances and fight, something SSM didn't do at all.

But i do agree JMM isn't really a Welterweight, he looked bloated when he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr at Welterweight. But maybe a catchweight would be fair ?

I don't really see much else for Manny Pacquiao, there's nothing for him at Welterweight really, nor at Jr Middleweight so JMM is his last option or retire.

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Agree with this, yeah i dont see it would be competitive as now if JMM would fight Pac at welters sure one thing it could be made even competitive if it is at @140. The problem now is GBP and TR, Is Marquez already signed with GBP? hoping it be will fine, next to of course with Floyd.

Also they can also mixed it up with Bradley or retire.

Let's keep in mind JMM has fought above 140.
How many times?
Once.
Against whom?
PBF.

People are judging how JMM would look vs. Pac at that same weight...

The weight does not suit JMM I agree. But you can't say it would be the samething if he fought Pac.
It's cliche but remember styles make fights.

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JMM is a better opponent than Shane Mosley Rains, simply because he's arguably beat him twice. And he's fought both the one dimensional Manny Pacquiao, and the new and improved Manny Pacquiao. And basically fought on even terms twice and won more rounds.

And in this point of there careers, JMM is certainly a more dangerous opponent than SSM.

I agree JMM is a bit past it now, he's more hittable and gets marked up easily now. But he's still got a alot of heart, and whether it is at 147 or not. He'd still Manny Pacquiao a much tougher test than SSM. Simply because he'd take chances and fight, something SSM didn't do at all.

But i do agree JMM isn't really a Welterweight, he looked bloated when he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr at Welterweight. But maybe a catchweight would be fair ?

I don't really see much else for Manny Pacquiao, there's nothing for him at Welterweight really, nor at Jr Middleweight so JMM is his last option or retire.

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Very valid points here and well put together.

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JMM is a better opponent than Shane Mosley Rains, simply because he's arguably beat him twice. And he's fought both the one dimensional Manny Pacquiao, and the new and improved Manny Pacquiao. And basically fought on even terms twice and won more rounds.

And in this point of there careers, JMM is certainly a more dangerous opponent than SSM.

I agree JMM is a bit past it now, he's more hittable and gets marked up easily now. But he's still got a alot of heart, and whether it is at 147 or not. He'd still Manny Pacquiao a much tougher test than SSM. Simply because he'd take chances and fight, something SSM didn't do at all.

But i do agree JMM isn't really a Welterweight, he looked bloated when he fought Floyd Mayweather Jr at Welterweight. But maybe a catchweight would be fair ?

I don't really see much else for Manny Pacquiao, there's nothing for him at Welterweight really, nor at Jr Middleweight so JMM is his last option or retire.

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I dont want to sound like I am defending the Shane fight because I would love to see a third fight with JMM.

Actually Ice JMM has not fought this version of Pac dont even give JMM that credit because its completely false.

Here is my point though,

People are saying JMM shouldn't fight Pac above 140 because JMM wouldn't be competitive but yet Shane at 147 is not worthy? OK Shane is 39 but in the greatest defensive fighters last fight he was rock by none other than Shane....This greatest defensive fighter name Floyd also took on JMM in which JMM could not even come close to catching.

My point is how is JMM a better opponent if he too wouldnt be competitive against Pac above 140?

And how is ok for Pac to drop in weight but its not ok for JMM to go up in weight? Its like big brother with little brothers terms so little brother has a chance, its pathetic.

A third fight with Marquez would be good, but it always seems to vome with caveats, especially that Manny should be a man and fight Marquez at his ideal weight which makes no sesne to me.

I can't think of any other fighter in history who has had fans saying that he must move back down two weight classes, to fight a man he has already beat in order to prove himself.

If the fight happens then cleary it's Marquezs job to come and wtake Mannys welterweight title not the other way around.

I dont see it being competitive considering how much Marquez has struggled lately against B level opposition in Katsidis, Diaz and Casamayor for example.

I think he gets wrecked by Manny in a third fight unless Manny goes down to 135 but why would he do that? Where is the clamour for Martinez to prove himself and give up his middleweight crown to fight Manny at 147?

If Manny carries on and doesnt fight Floyd I think he needs to stay at welter, which means Marquez must move up if he wants the fight.

The only fan friendly fights I can see for Manny really are Ortiz and Maidana both of which would do well on HBO I'd imagine. Goldenboy and Arum not working together really takes a big shit on any good fights being made though.

If not Floyd I'd like to see Manny fight Maidana. I think he kills him but it sure would be fun to watch for a few rounds.

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Let's keep in mind JMM has fought above 140.
How many times?
Once.
Against whom?
PBF.

People are judging how JMM would look vs. Pac at that same weight...

The weight does not suit JMM I agree. But you can't say it would be the samething if he fought Pac.
It's cliche but remember styles make fights.

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I do believe pac would beat him above 140 but I have never said its because Floyd beat JMM above 140.

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A third fight with Marquez would be good, but it always seems to vome with caveats, especially that Manny should be a man and fight Marquez at his ideal weight which makes no sesne to me.

I can't think of any other fighter in history who has had fans saying that he must move back down two weight classes, to fight a man he has already beat in order to prove himself.

If the fight happens then cleary it's Marquezs job to come and wtake Mannys welterweight title not the other way around.

I dont see it being competitive considering how much Marquez has struggled lately against B level opposition in Katsidis, Diaz and Casamayor for example.

I think he gets wrecked by Manny in a third fight unless Manny goes down to 135 but why would he do that? Where is the clamour for Martinez to prove himself and give up his middleweight crown to fight Manny at 147?

If Manny carries on and doesnt fight Floyd I think he needs to stay at welter, which means Marquez must move up if he wants the fight.

The only fan friendly fights I can see for Manny really are Ortiz and Maidana both of which would do well on HBO I'd imagine. Goldenboy and Arum not working together really takes a big shit on any good fights being made though.

If not Floyd I'd like to see Manny fight Maidana. I think he kills him but it sure would be fun to watch for a few rounds.

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Exactly! Thank you Bilbo for seeing the truth :D

If Pac is fighting JMM they could meet at a catchweight of 141 since they are now 2 divisions apart 135-147.

Of course people here will be in a uproar that it's another cw fight that Pac has had to handicapped his opponent.;)

I told myself i wouldnt order this fight the day it was announced and at the last minute i said fuck it, u never know what could happen in boxing.......turned out worse than i expected, wish i didnt support this mismatch only pac fight id order in the future would be pac vs jmm, mayweather, or martinez (i think martinez is too heavy tho and pac should avoid him)

As much as people hate it, Bradley makes as much sense any opponent out there. The only thing he lacks is a following. :p Other than that, he is a unified champ at 140, undefeated, he'll go out on his shield, he's aggressive, and most importantly, he's not with Golden Boy. ;)