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How does Bernard stretch the rules? Let me count the ways!
-A thumb in the eye
-Kidney shots when the ref's view is blocked
-Low blows not hard enough to cause a stoppage, but hard enough to, ahem, get one's attention
-Grinding one's chin into the shoulder of the foe during clinches
-Holding onto clinches with the arm opposite the ref to burn some clock
-Using the top of the head as a ram
-Spinning the foe and hitting him from behind
The guy is a frakkin genius!
Bernard is no angel, but he won a clean fight, and if anything I noticed Pascal likes to hit behind the head whenever possible.
Come on, he's the most intelligent bender of the rules since Roberto Duran! I'm not knocking the guy. I think it's a legit element at this level.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
You saying he did all those things against Pascal, because all I saw was possible kidney shot in the clinch. Pascal was a lil obvious trying to use the head once they had clinched. But I didnt see B-Hop putting his head down like a ram, like he has done in the past. Pascal was the one holding when the ref called break. Pascal was the one hitting behind the head in close. I missed the last 2 rounds, but B-Hop fought a pretty clean fight to me.
He did every one of the things I listed at least once tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
Looks like its "Trolling" time in maui
Tonight Pascal was the dirtier fighter by a landslide
What did you see Pascal do? Just curious. I think you may be hyper sensitive to policing B-Hop. I didnt see any thumb to the eye. Low blows, grind his chin in his shoulder? You may be exaggerating what basically every boxer does. Spinning a foe and hitting him from behind? Hmm maybe thats just called good footwork. ;D Pascal like to lunge and he's not always in control of where he ends up after a punch.
I saw Pascal get dropped twice, but ref was lapse on rules so he didnt call it. Kinda like a blind side low blow I guess :p
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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
or a dirty cheating bastard...
Or Ricky Hatton ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
or a dirty cheating bastard...
oh well! that's ok then :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeyOr Ricky Hatton ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
or a dirty cheating bastard...
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Originally Posted by No Contest
Again you are thinking I am berating BHOP when the opposite is true! If you didn't see a thumb you weren't paying attention. It was replayed and Stewart commented on it several times.
It's an inconsistency in my thinking. I am generally an obey the rules guy. But I think in the most brutal of sports, boxing, football (the one where people don't pretend to have no arms) there is such a thing as gamesmanship that recongizes the primitive kind of competition we are seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
or a dirty cheating bastard...
Even BHOP said those were slips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
He also said Pascal had what it took to be a legend , or was it hall of famer ?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiEven BHOP said those were slips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
it's illegal AND intentional = cheatingQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiIt's an inconsistency in my thinking. I am generally an obey the rules guy. But I think in the most brutal of sports, boxing, football (the one where people don't pretend to have no arms) there is such a thing as gamesmanship that recongizes the primitive kind of competition we are seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
or a dirty cheating bastard...
Yeah I get that...and like I said, in boxing and football? On the field and in the ring I'm ok with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyit's illegal AND intentional = cheatingQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiIt's an inconsistency in my thinking. I am generally an obey the rules guy. But I think in the most brutal of sports, boxing, football (the one where people don't pretend to have no arms) there is such a thing as gamesmanship that recongizes the primitive kind of competition we are seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
or a dirty cheating bastard...
Anyone notice how Pascal intentially hit Hopkins low after getting rocked in 3rd.
Yup. Same deal. Smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I'm not otherwise why bother with rules in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiYeah I get that...and like I said, in boxing and football? On the field and in the ring I'm ok with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyit's illegal AND intentional = cheatingQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiIt's an inconsistency in my thinking. I am generally an obey the rules guy. But I think in the most brutal of sports, boxing, football (the one where people don't pretend to have no arms) there is such a thing as gamesmanship that recongizes the primitive kind of competition we are seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
or a dirty cheating bastard...
To prevent egregious actions and to organize the sport. I understand where you are coming from and 99.9% of the time I'd agree. But I like how, at the top of the sport, toughness is emphasized.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyI'm not otherwise why bother with rules in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiYeah I get that...and like I said, in boxing and football? On the field and in the ring I'm ok with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyit's illegal AND intentional = cheatingQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiIt's an inconsistency in my thinking. I am generally an obey the rules guy. But I think in the most brutal of sports, boxing, football (the one where people don't pretend to have no arms) there is such a thing as gamesmanship that recongizes the primitive kind of competition we are seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
or a dirty cheating bastard...
I think there has to be a serious distinction between flagrant fouls and getting bogged down in by the book bureaucracy. Fine line I know and easy enough to say from the sidelines but can you sit back and envision a match in which every single technicality and incident is enforced by the referee. We'd have a stable of Joe Cortez's as refs and they would need top billing with the actual guys we pay to see, the fighters. Not to mention a record number of dq's on the books for holding. Some guys fight out and some look to refs.
Something is to be said about letting guys work it out themselves and rubbing some dirt in it so to speak. Less we let it turn into a game of checkers.
fact is plenty of fighters don't do it so no real excuse for it.
It' obvious who are fans of B-Hop and who are not in this thread...some serious nit picking in what I thought was a pretty clean fight. This kind of scrutiny doesnt happen to every fight and it's kind of annoying.
In the words of Omar Little:Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad MissyQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
or a dirty cheating bastard...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cryMVK1PwuQ
And which pray tell am I? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
I think you probably respect him as a fighter, but not a huge fan. :p I can tell Missy just despises him. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiAnd which pray tell am I? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
[Laughing]Winna winna chicken dinna!Quote:
Originally Posted by No ContestI think you probably respect him as a fighter, but not a huge fan. :p I can tell Missy just despises him. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiAnd which pray tell am I? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
i was suprised to see pascal use his head 4 or 5 times in the clinch.
i thought it was pretty clean for a tough hopkins fight. watch the vanderpool fight if you wanna see hopkins fightin dirty.
Agree, the man has learned so much in the ring about what he can and can't get away with. I noticed against Pascal that every time they clinched Bernard put his left arm under Pascals right arm and around his back and pulled tight and pushed his head into Pascals, then every time the ref said mind the head he said he's got hold of my arm and sure enough it looked like Pascal had his right arm around Bernards left.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
I was really happy for Hopkins though, I think he has set a record that will stand for a long long time here. I've never seen a 46 year old athlete in any sport look in such good condition let alone one as tough as boxing. In years to come i'll be proud to say I remember when Hopkins won the title at 46 and it was the genuine lineal title too. Living Legend, that's the only way to describe B-HOP.
See Pacquiao or Mayweather fight threads.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
To me there is a difference between be sneaky in a close range fight, than being very dirty(headbutting, back of the head).