After watching the bhop fight where there was over 17,000 spectators i was thinking why is it that most of the big fights in america are held in smaller arenas? i know that pacman fought in front of abt 50,000 but manny is a god to many people.
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After watching the bhop fight where there was over 17,000 spectators i was thinking why is it that most of the big fights in america are held in smaller arenas? i know that pacman fought in front of abt 50,000 but manny is a god to many people.
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so if they were not in say vegas then attendence would be higher if in a city?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
Impossible to know of course. But Cotto drew 25,000 IIRC at Yankee Stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoso if they were not in say vegas then attendence would be higher if in a city?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
Having said that boxing in the US is really hurting these days.
its bigger in usa than uk but our big fights can get 20,000, just wondering if its internal airline costs as well, cos obviously uk alot smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiImpossible to know of course. But Cotto drew 25,000 IIRC at Yankee Stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoso if they were not in say vegas then attendence would be higher if in a city?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
Having said that boxing in the US is really hurting these days.
No, that's not it. I mean we have 30 million people who live within 3 hours drving distance of New York City. My guess is it is partly the damage ppv has done and partly the dismal current state of the talent pool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoits bigger in usa than uk but our big fights can get 20,000, just wondering if its internal airline costs as well, cos obviously uk alot smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiImpossible to know of course. But Cotto drew 25,000 IIRC at Yankee Stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoso if they were not in say vegas then attendence would be higher if in a city?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
Having said that boxing in the US is really hurting these days.
Talent pool is not that dismal and even if it was, there have been periods in the past that were worse than others, and boxing still drew.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiNo, that's not it. I mean we have 30 million people who live within 3 hours drving distance of New York City. My guess is it is partly the damage ppv has done and partly the dismal current state of the talent pool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoits bigger in usa than uk but our big fights can get 20,000, just wondering if its internal airline costs as well, cos obviously uk alot smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiImpossible to know of course. But Cotto drew 25,000 IIRC at Yankee Stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoso if they were not in say vegas then attendence would be higher if in a city?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
Having said that boxing in the US is really hurting these days.
In my opinion, promoters have stopped building the reputations of fighters in the areas that they come from. Adamek draws a good crowd at the Prudential Center in Newark because there is a big Polish community there. Guerrero draws fans in Maryland. Arreola packed Staples Center when he fought Vitali. But, too often we have the Bradley versus Alexander in Detroit scenarios. There are plenty of other reasons too.
This is the worst talent pool of my lifetime by quite a margin. Completely agree with your promotional commentary.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratTalent pool is not that dismal and even if it was, there have been periods in the past that were worse than others, and boxing still drew.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiNo, that's not it. I mean we have 30 million people who live within 3 hours drving distance of New York City. My guess is it is partly the damage ppv has done and partly the dismal current state of the talent pool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoits bigger in usa than uk but our big fights can get 20,000, just wondering if its internal airline costs as well, cos obviously uk alot smaller.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiImpossible to know of course. But Cotto drew 25,000 IIRC at Yankee Stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragoso if they were not in say vegas then attendence would be higher if in a city?Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
Having said that boxing in the US is really hurting these days.
In my opinion, promoters have stopped building the reputations of fighters in the areas that they come from. Adamek draws a good crowd at the Prudential Center in Newark because there is a big Polish community there. Guerrero draws fans in Maryland. Arreola packed Staples Center when he fought Vitali. But, too often we have the Bradley versus Alexander in Detroit scenarios. There are plenty of other reasons too.
You could also say that the American are missing charismatic and spectacular champion. The US was used to have the best champ in boxing for the last decades.
The crowds have been looking bigger to me, I think even the Ward-Abraham had a decent crowd show up. I blame ticket prices in comparison to ppv, you get perfect angles and you dont have to sit next to some fucker that stands up in front of you blocking your view. Ringside seat are way too pricey for your typical boxing fan.
Yeah but hasn't that always been true?Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
You kidding? We've been used to having it for a hundred years ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloking
I'm not too sure, but if you look at what kind of seat you would get for the price of ppv, its third or 4th tier. You only get one angle as well. Yeah seeing a fight live is great and all, but I would have to be closer than that to enjoy the fight. Talking at least 100 per ticket type seats.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiYeah but hasn't that always been true?Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
I know it sounds simplistic but its because their are no real contending heavyweights. Same thing in my country. Outside of Quebec boxing is a non issue in Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drago
Expensive tickets. $100 ringside seat for mediocre names.
Oups, forgot the plurals on the decade.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiYou kidding? We've been used to having it for a hundred years ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eloking
There, fixed :p
Yup. And I missed your initial point too. I was thinking Ringside has always been beyond the average fan and you made the critical point that PPV provides a cheaper alternative anayway.Quote:
Originally Posted by No ContestI'm not too sure, but if you look at what kind of seat you would get for the price of ppv, its third or 4th tier. You only get one angle as well. Yeah seeing a fight live is great and all, but I would have to be closer than that to enjoy the fight. Talking at least 100 per ticket type seats.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiYeah but hasn't that always been true?Quote:
Originally Posted by No Contest
You were right and I was wrong...TWICE!
need to have a more mainstream promotion, more contender fights, less belts. I think if they do a U.S prizefighter it would do great though.
Mc Donald's knows the what the deal is. It's called advertising. Imagine there nothing super special about their products, but they manage to outsell everyone. What they say and what they have learned is that advertising sells.
It is up to the promoter to put out the word on the fights. He has to put out in-order to get a good return.
I guess that boxers are not been developed in the right way.
They need to build a fan base localy and as they move up in level the fans will follow and from a wider area.
No point having a 4 or 6 round fighter on a Vegas card unless he is from Vegas because none of his natural local fans will be watching.
Because the heavyweight champion of the world is not form the usa right now so its going to be low.
Honestly when I talk to people around everyone seems to know who the guys are in UFC, have UFC viewing parties, go to the local MMA events etc. Boxing hardly even gets mentioned anymore. If someone does mention boxing, it's just to be polite to me. I get questions like "when's the next big boxing match?"
Boxing is on a decline as far as world interest goes IMO.