A fight of this magnitude speaks for itself so it doesn't need any extra hype. Haye isn't doing this to sell the fight but he genuinely dislikes the man.. but why? Is it simply because he hates Wlad's boring style just like alot of us do??
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A fight of this magnitude speaks for itself so it doesn't need any extra hype. Haye isn't doing this to sell the fight but he genuinely dislikes the man.. but why? Is it simply because he hates Wlad's boring style just like alot of us do??
He's just being gay. It's like a stroppy kid who has had his dummy taken away.
Hopefully Wlad gives the stroppy kid a pounding.
I think there is some real fear on Haye's part.
There would have to be a fair bit of that. So you go from old man Ruiz to Harrison.....to Wlad Klitschko. Haye has been all smoke and mirrors and HW and he knows it. That's why the retirement fund was boosted before finally having to face the music that is Wlad. Now it's time to cash the chips and make sure the beating isn't too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by captainanddew
Just maybe he really believes he has gone up the right way and believes he is on track, but I think he would have to be seriously deluded to think that. Haye has talked his way through HW. He hasn't actually beaten anyone that a 48 year old Holyfield couldn't.
He hates Wlads style and boring tactics. At the end of the day boxing is what has made Haye his money and both he and Wlad are going to make career high money in this fight. If Wlad was an exciting fighter and was a huge PPV draw like Haye is in the UK you would be able to add another £10 million to each mans already very high purse (I think the estimate is already £20 million each).
Haye wins 4th round KO. remember that prediction.
No it's all mental games. Haye needs to hate Wlad as much as possible because he needs as much fire in his belly as possible.
It has to boil down to all of his corn rows being to tight. And he's a bit of a snarky twat. Maybe he's just pumping himself up
who cares springs to mind.
I don't think he does actually hate him. It's just part of the marketing process. Tricking punters into thinking he's got a chance. It's like a mindfuck ;D
When he came into the hw division he wanted a short cut to fighting the top man and that was and still is Wlad. Wlad wouldnt of been that bothered in fighting a pumped up cruiserweight at that time and Haye new that imo, thats why Haye went on the offence and called Wlad and Vitali all sorts untill Wlad agreed to fighting him. Smart move if you are Haye pick up a world title and defend it against an old man and a bum and avoiding the young contenders while he goads Wlad into a mega money fight.
Wlad seems to be winning the mind games, "shake the hand" was funny, haye does not want to get "controlled" by Wlad so he is trying to build up some hate for him because he really admires Wlad for what he is doing for the heavyweight division.
I think what the pre fight hype has done is to really let Wlad shine as a personality in a way that he hadn't before. I haven't heard him speak as much as I have in the past few months and he seems like a really funny person. By contrast Haye just seems petulant and faintly ridiculous with his pouting and refusal to shake the magic hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Is it more or has the trash-talking from Haye quieted down a bit after the Ringside episode where Wlad scared him with his calmness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajWaj...layer_embedded
"I love Borat by the way. Did you meet Sasha Baron Cohen? He's an awesome dude."
He's just trying to build the fight up so when he gets a battering and retires he has a nice payday to see him into retirement.
Animosity, envy, jealousy.
You make some good points but I doubt Holyfield beats Monte Barrett and he wouldnt blast away Harrison either like Haye did.. Not even sure he beats Harrison..Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThere would have to be a fair bit of that. So you go from old man Ruiz to Harrison.....to Wlad Klitschko. Haye has been all smoke and mirrors and HW and he knows it. That's why the retirement fund was boosted before finally having to face the music that is Wlad. Now it's time to cash the chips and make sure the beating isn't too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by captainanddew
Just maybe he really believes he has gone up the right way and believes he is on track, but I think he would have to be seriously deluded to think that. Haye has talked his way through HW. He hasn't actually beaten anyone that a 48 year old Holyfield couldn't.
Haye's resume at HW is pretty respectable imo. I mean, who else was he supposed to fight to prepare himself for Wlad who's head and shoulders above the rest?
People talk about how he ran against Valuev but the truth is, he did exactly what he was supposed to do against a towering giant and it would have been foolish for him to do otherwise. He showed the ability to stay composed and execute his gameplan for 12 rounds.
This is the right time for him to face Wlad..
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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
THAT.... and "fear".
:D I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Grim reaper gives Holy the day off and he beats BarretQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaYou make some good points but I doubt Holyfield beats Monte Barrett and he wouldnt blast away Harrison either like Haye did.. Not even sure he beats Harrison..Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThere would have to be a fair bit of that. So you go from old man Ruiz to Harrison.....to Wlad Klitschko. Haye has been all smoke and mirrors and HW and he knows it. That's why the retirement fund was boosted before finally having to face the music that is Wlad. Now it's time to cash the chips and make sure the beating isn't too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by captainanddew
Just maybe he really believes he has gone up the right way and believes he is on track, but I think he would have to be seriously deluded to think that. Haye has talked his way through HW. He hasn't actually beaten anyone that a 48 year old Holyfield couldn't.
Haye's resume at HW is pretty respectable imo. I mean, who else was he supposed to fight to prepare himself for Wlad who's head and shoulders above the rest?
People talk about how he ran against Valuev but the truth is, he did exactly what he was supposed to do against a towering giant and it would have been foolish for him to do otherwise. He showed the ability to stay composed and execute his gameplan for 12 rounds.
This is the right time for him to face Wlad..
I'll jump up and down on the whole tree and say my 18 yr old niece could have beat up that Harrison.
Is your niece's name Ann Wolfe? :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli:D I'm going to go out on a limb and say the Grim reaper gives Holy the day off and he beats BarretQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaYou make some good points but I doubt Holyfield beats Monte Barrett and he wouldnt blast away Harrison either like Haye did.. Not even sure he beats Harrison..Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThere would have to be a fair bit of that. So you go from old man Ruiz to Harrison.....to Wlad Klitschko. Haye has been all smoke and mirrors and HW and he knows it. That's why the retirement fund was boosted before finally having to face the music that is Wlad. Now it's time to cash the chips and make sure the beating isn't too bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by captainanddew
Just maybe he really believes he has gone up the right way and believes he is on track, but I think he would have to be seriously deluded to think that. Haye has talked his way through HW. He hasn't actually beaten anyone that a 48 year old Holyfield couldn't.
Haye's resume at HW is pretty respectable imo. I mean, who else was he supposed to fight to prepare himself for Wlad who's head and shoulders above the rest?
People talk about how he ran against Valuev but the truth is, he did exactly what he was supposed to do against a towering giant and it would have been foolish for him to do otherwise. He showed the ability to stay composed and execute his gameplan for 12 rounds.
This is the right time for him to face Wlad..
I'll jump up and down on the whole tree and say my 18 yr old niece could have beat up that Harrison.
He doesn't hate Wlad. He is trying to convince himself that he does but he doesn't. There isn't anything to 'hate' about Wladimir. He's a gentlemen outside of the ring, very intelligent, funny and respects his opponents. Even Haye couldn't contain his laughter with Wladimir's Borat impression. It's all publicity.
i dont like wlad
and i agree with haye on one thing that the heavies division is shit and its largely because of wlad
and it isnt just his boring style that has made championship fights so shit,
-its the fact that he wants his cake and he wants to eat it in negotiations
-all his fights are in germany infront of thousands of quiet fans
-he has virtually no charisma when selling a fight
-his style is boring but not only that there is never a battle when he fights he either donminates or falls over
-related to the point a abovem but dont we love a fighter who can give some and take some? dont we look up to bravery? theres absolutely none of that with wlad
-undercards are shit full of fighters noone outside germany has heard of
-his refs all have stoopid hair cuts
-ok there isnt that much depth in the division but he never takes an risks at all with who or what or where or how he fights (I can gaurentee that he wouldnt be fighting haye if he hadnt been backed against a wall)
and there is no style or fashion of flair about anything he does in or out of the ring, boxing is show biz and he hasnt got it
the sooner he isnt champ the better for everyone
...Try not to cry when Wlad destroys your boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I know what haye's doing and why he's doing it. It's much easier to show no mercy to someone you don't like.....
Interestingly enough I was asked by an old friend who I thought would win the fight. I said I'll be cheering David on the whole way but in my head I know he's the underdog and wlad probably will win.
My mate said 'I think haye is going to absolutely demolish him'.
I'm comforted by the fact that however good/bad haye does their will be a fat yank that's been beaten worse. ;D
Thompson and Chambers have better chins (and better defense) than the WBA title holder and I doubt the WBA title holder hangs around for a prolonged Brewster 2 type beating.....just a hunch, but you keep the faith sweetheart ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
I can't wait to punish you for these comments :)Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongThompson and Chambers have better chins (and better defense) than the WBA title holder and I doubt the WBA title holder hangs around for a prolonged Brewster 2 type beating.....just a hunch, but you keep the faith sweetheart ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
I am actually going away the day after the big fight so i'll set you a new name and sig etc before I go, and then when I get back the torment will truly start :D
Lol Greb and Norfolk hated each other. This film is a joke.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong...Try not to cry when Wlad destroys your boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
honestly man, i think there is a much much much bigger chance of you crying if wlad loses than me crying if haye does
but anyway, which of my points do you disagree with?
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Originally Posted by El KabongThompson and Chambers have better chins (and better defense) than the WBA title holder and I doubt the WBA title holder hangs around for a prolonged Brewster 2 type beating.....just a hunch, but you keep the faith sweetheart ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
Nope. both were fat and crap, typical american heavyweights. You can say they did better after the haye fight, not before.
I'd call you 'sweetheart' or 'darling' but I'm not a fag so I'll leave that kind of talk to you :gay5:
I wouldn't worry mate. If the unthinkable was to happen and haye wins this fight. The shit the lyle is going to get over it is going to be shock and awe levels that have never been witnessed on this forum before.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuI can't wait to punish you for these comments :)Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongThompson and Chambers have better chins (and better defense) than the WBA title holder and I doubt the WBA title holder hangs around for a prolonged Brewster 2 type beating.....just a hunch, but you keep the faith sweetheart ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
I am actually going away the day after the big fight so i'll set you a new name and sig etc before I go, and then when I get back the torment will truly start :D
Yawn....Wlad is in no danger in this fight. You can call Thompson and Chambers fat and out of shape but by the end of this upcoming fight both will have put up better fights than the WBA title holder.
Keep hope alive though, it just won't be fun to gloat when Wlad knocks out his opponent. This is a HUGE step up in class and nobody sees it...Wlad isn't Audley Harrison or Nicolay Valuev.
I don't put chambers or thompson in the same league as haye.
Most of the guys haye beat at cruiser are better than those two blown up light heavyweights.
I agree that Chambers should be a cruiserweight, but Tony Thompson is 6'6 and 240-250 pounds dude he may have made light heavyweight when he was in high school but no way is he close these days. Perhaps you've confused Arreola with Thompson?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornfinger
I don't really see much class that the WBA title holder has fought: Mormek was decent, maybe Ruiz, maybe Valuev, but nobody else really catches my eye and there's 0 guys that he's fought that would trouble Wlad.
I agree. I've said on many occasions that the whole division is toss. Both the klits are a long long way above the rest of the crap that make up the division.
Fair enough it was daft to call thompson a blown up light heavy but I don't think he has much in the way of skillfull attributes.