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Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
I think this is an interesting matchup. Obviously the Tyson/Lewis that we saw was a joke fight and had no particular meaning outside of the gullible and the ego of Lennox Lewis, but imagine if these two could have squared up in their seeming primes. I am not convinced I have the prime of Lewis nailed as I have never really enjoyed his fights, but it was around this time that he was racking up the wins and was seemingly on a roll.
Personally, I think the young Tyson steamrollers him and knocks him unconscious in about 3 rounds. Lewis wouldn't be able to tame the ferocity that would be coming at him and his chin would not stand up to the ferocity of Mike Tyson for too long. The grappling and holding that Lewis eventually used against Tyson would not have worked because the young Tyson would have landed 5 before the grapple became effective. Tyson was done after 1 and had forgotten how to move his head in 2002. 1988 was a different Tyson and different world.
I think Lewis would have been slaughtered in brutal fashion.
Who you got?
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
Lewis wins, no doubt in my mind. Tyson always had trouble with guys 6'4" and taller. Tyson looked pretty ordinary against guys like Mitch Green, Tucker, Bonecrusher Smith, and got beat up pretty bad and knocked out by Douglas.
And Lennox Lewis was always the smarter boxer with higher ring IQ. I can't find the clip now on youtube, but I remember watching some random clip that trainers saw Lewis and Tyson sparring in the early 80s as amateurs and Tyson had the edge in the early goings and then Lewis adapted and whipped him. A prime and motivated Lewis? I say he adapts and then whips Tyson, I say late round KO.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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Lewis wins, no doubt in my mind. Tyson always had trouble with guys 6'4" and taller. Tyson looked pretty ordinary against guys like Mitch Green, Tucker, Bonecrusher Smith, and got beat up pretty bad and knocked out by Douglas.
And Lennox Lewis was always the smarter boxer with higher ring IQ. I can't find the clip now on youtube, but I remember watching some random clip that trainers saw Lewis and Tyson sparring in the early 80s as amateurs and Tyson had the edge in the early goings and then Lewis adapted and whipped him. A prime and motivated Lewis? I say he adapts and then whips Tyson, I say late round KO.
A 16 year old Tyson:rolleyes:
Same as that little incident at the 84 Olympic trials that Holyfield is so proud of. A 21 year old man, manning up to a 17 year old boy;D He is actually poud of that;D
The biggest difference betwen the Tyson of 88 and the Tyson of 02 is the elusiveness. Lewis would have had massive problems even touching him.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
I agree Miles. Lewis is one of my favourite fighters of all time, but I think Tyson would've knocked him out.
What I will say about Lewis is that I never saw him outboxed or really losing in a fight -he was technically behind to Vitali, but look at Vitali's face - and the Mercer fight was close, but apart from that he was always dominant and lost only to 2 cracking punches. IF and it's a big IF imo he could've got past the onslaught he may've figured Tyson out and outboxed him to a decision.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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miles
I think this is an interesting matchup. Obviously the Tyson/Lewis that we saw was a joke fight and had no particular meaning outside of the gullible and the ego of Lennox Lewis, but imagine if these two could have squared up in their seeming primes. I am not convinced I have the prime of Lewis nailed as I have never really enjoyed his fights, but it was around this time that he was racking up the wins and was seemingly on a roll.
Personally, I think the young Tyson steamrollers him and knocks him unconscious in about 3 rounds. Lewis wouldn't be able to tame the ferocity that would be coming at him and his chin would not stand up to the ferocity of Mike Tyson for too long. The grappling and holding that Lewis eventually used against Tyson would not have worked because the young Tyson would have landed 5 before the grapple became effective. Tyson was done after 1 and had forgotten how to move his head in 2002. 1988 was a different Tyson and different world.
I think Lewis would have been slaughtered in brutal fashion.
Who you got?
I agree 100%, miles, Lewis's questionable chin wouldn't be able to stand up to Tyson's onslaught.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
Tyson wins this fight. Even thou he did have trouble with tall guys with a good jab he was still working hard and throwing combinations in 1988. Even a prime Lewis still fought timid sometimes. Eventually Mike would crack him one in the chops.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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Lewis wins, no doubt in my mind. Tyson always had trouble with guys 6'4" and taller. Tyson looked pretty ordinary against guys like Mitch Green, Tucker, Bonecrusher Smith, and got beat up pretty bad and knocked out by Douglas.
And Lennox Lewis was always the smarter boxer with higher ring IQ. I can't find the clip now on youtube, but I remember watching some random clip that trainers saw Lewis and Tyson sparring in the early 80s as amateurs and Tyson had the edge in the early goings and then Lewis adapted and whipped him. A prime and motivated Lewis? I say he adapts and then whips Tyson, I say late round KO.
A 16 year old Tyson:rolleyes:
Same as that little incident at the 84 Olympic trials that Holyfield is so proud of. A 21 year old man, manning up to a 17 year old boy;D He is actually poud of that;D
The biggest difference betwen the Tyson of 88 and the Tyson of 02 is the elusiveness. Lewis would have had massive problems even touching him.
Lennox is only 9 months older than Tyson. You make it sound like it's a grown man beating him up.
Anyways it really doesn't matter anymore. What happened was Tyson got his ass whipped by Lewis in sparring as amateurs and in a pro boxing match in '02. And what matters is that Lewis resume and accomplishments is leagues above Tyson.
Beating up on bums and blownup light HWs is a lot different than trying to beat up Lewis, Tyson learned that real quick.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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Lewis wins, no doubt in my mind. Tyson always had trouble with guys 6'4" and taller. Tyson looked pretty ordinary against guys like Mitch Green, Tucker, Bonecrusher Smith, and got beat up pretty bad and knocked out by Douglas.
And Lennox Lewis was always the smarter boxer with higher ring IQ. I can't find the clip now on youtube, but I remember watching some random clip that trainers saw Lewis and Tyson sparring in the early 80s as amateurs and Tyson had the edge in the early goings and then Lewis adapted and whipped him. A prime and motivated Lewis? I say he adapts and then whips Tyson, I say late round KO.
A 16 year old Tyson:rolleyes:
Same as that little incident at the 84 Olympic trials that Holyfield is so proud of. A 21 year old man, manning up to a 17 year old boy;D He is actually poud of that;D
The biggest difference betwen the Tyson of 88 and the Tyson of 02 is the elusiveness. Lewis would have had massive problems even touching him.
Lewis was basically the same age (8 months older or something) & given that was apparently closer to Tyson's 'prime' surely he should have had the advantage.
I'm with Bulldog, I think Lewis would have always had his number. I don't believe he would have been scared & I believe that Lewis would not have let his guard down for a second as he did against Rahman.
I'm sure Tyson could beat him, but based on how they did against certain styles, I fancy Lewis to weather some early pressure, outbox him through the middle rounds & possibly stop him late
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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Lewis wins, no doubt in my mind. Tyson always had trouble with guys 6'4" and taller. Tyson looked pretty ordinary against guys like Mitch Green, Tucker, Bonecrusher Smith, and got beat up pretty bad and knocked out by Douglas.
And Lennox Lewis was always the smarter boxer with higher ring IQ. I can't find the clip now on youtube, but I remember watching some random clip that trainers saw Lewis and Tyson sparring in the early 80s as amateurs and Tyson had the edge in the early goings and then Lewis adapted and whipped him. A prime and motivated Lewis? I say he adapts and then whips Tyson, I say late round KO.
A 16 year old Tyson:rolleyes:
Same as that little incident at the 84 Olympic trials that Holyfield is so proud of. A 21 year old man, manning up to a 17 year old boy;D He is actually poud of that;D
The biggest difference betwen the Tyson of 88 and the Tyson of 02 is the elusiveness. Lewis would have had massive problems even touching him.
Lennox is only 9 months older than Tyson. You make it sound like it's a grown man beating him up.
Anyways it really doesn't matter anymore. What happened was Tyson got his ass whipped by Lewis in sparring as amateurs and in a pro boxing match in '02. And what matters is that Lewis resume and accomplishments is leagues above Tyson.
Beating up on bums and blownup light HWs is a lot different than trying to beat up Lewis, Tyson learned that real quick.
Haha, but you have missed the point entirely. What we are trying to determine here is which peak beats the other peak and all you have is some amateurs bout and a Tyson who was 36. Fair enough, he was younger than Lewis but he was champ younger too and also lost about 5 years in the ring through bans or prison, but what matters is that Lewis beat the guy who beat a post jail Tyson? Okay, that's the argument over. :-\
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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Lewis wins, no doubt in my mind. Tyson always had trouble with guys 6'4" and taller. Tyson looked pretty ordinary against guys like Mitch Green, Tucker, Bonecrusher Smith, and got beat up pretty bad and knocked out by Douglas.
And Lennox Lewis was always the smarter boxer with higher ring IQ. I can't find the clip now on youtube, but I remember watching some random clip that trainers saw Lewis and Tyson sparring in the early 80s as amateurs and Tyson had the edge in the early goings and then Lewis adapted and whipped him. A prime and motivated Lewis? I say he adapts and then whips Tyson, I say late round KO.
A 16 year old Tyson:rolleyes:
Same as that little incident at the 84 Olympic trials that Holyfield is so proud of. A 21 year old man, manning up to a 17 year old boy;D He is actually poud of that;D
The biggest difference betwen the Tyson of 88 and the Tyson of 02 is the elusiveness. Lewis would have had massive problems even touching him.
Lennox is only 9 months older than Tyson. You make it sound like it's a grown man beating him up.
Anyways it really doesn't matter anymore. What happened was Tyson got his ass whipped by Lewis in sparring as amateurs and in a pro boxing match in '02. And what matters is that Lewis resume and accomplishments is leagues above Tyson.
Beating up on bums and blownup light HWs is a lot different than trying to beat up Lewis, Tyson learned that real quick.
Haha, but you have missed the point entirely. What we are trying to determine here is which peak beats the other peak and all you have is some amateurs bout and a Tyson who was 36. Fair enough, he was younger than Lewis but he was champ younger too and also lost about 5 years in the ring through bans or prison, but what matters is that Lewis beat the guy who beat a post jail Tyson? Okay, that's the argument over. :-\
I think his point was that at points closer to Tyson's peak & Lewis', on both occasions Lewis had his way with him.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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Lewis wins, no doubt in my mind. Tyson always had trouble with guys 6'4" and taller. Tyson looked pretty ordinary against guys like Mitch Green, Tucker, Bonecrusher Smith, and got beat up pretty bad and knocked out by Douglas.
And Lennox Lewis was always the smarter boxer with higher ring IQ. I can't find the clip now on youtube, but I remember watching some random clip that trainers saw Lewis and Tyson sparring in the early 80s as amateurs and Tyson had the edge in the early goings and then Lewis adapted and whipped him. A prime and motivated Lewis? I say he adapts and then whips Tyson, I say late round KO.
A 16 year old Tyson:rolleyes:
Same as that little incident at the 84 Olympic trials that Holyfield is so proud of. A 21 year old man, manning up to a 17 year old boy;D He is actually poud of that;D
The biggest difference betwen the Tyson of 88 and the Tyson of 02 is the elusiveness. Lewis would have had massive problems even touching him.
Lennox is only 9 months older than Tyson. You make it sound like it's a grown man beating him up.
Anyways it really doesn't matter anymore. What happened was Tyson got his ass whipped by Lewis in sparring as amateurs and in a pro boxing match in '02. And what matters is that Lewis resume and accomplishments is leagues above Tyson.
Beating up on bums and blownup light HWs is a lot different than trying to beat up Lewis, Tyson learned that real quick.
Haha, but you have missed the point entirely. What we are trying to determine here is which peak beats the other peak and all you have is some amateurs bout and a Tyson who was 36. Fair enough, he was younger than Lewis but he was champ younger too and also lost about 5 years in the ring through bans or prison, but what matters is that Lewis beat the guy who beat a post jail Tyson? Okay, that's the argument over. :-\
I think his point was that at points closer to Tyson's peak & Lewis', on both occasions Lewis had his way with him.
But he never faced Tyson in the ring in his prime. Lewis was nobody when Tyson was doing his thing.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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Lewis wins, no doubt in my mind. Tyson always had trouble with guys 6'4" and taller. Tyson looked pretty ordinary against guys like Mitch Green, Tucker, Bonecrusher Smith, and got beat up pretty bad and knocked out by Douglas.
And Lennox Lewis was always the smarter boxer with higher ring IQ. I can't find the clip now on youtube, but I remember watching some random clip that trainers saw Lewis and Tyson sparring in the early 80s as amateurs and Tyson had the edge in the early goings and then Lewis adapted and whipped him. A prime and motivated Lewis? I say he adapts and then whips Tyson, I say late round KO.
A 16 year old Tyson:rolleyes:
Same as that little incident at the 84 Olympic trials that Holyfield is so proud of. A 21 year old man, manning up to a 17 year old boy;D He is actually poud of that;D
The biggest difference betwen the Tyson of 88 and the Tyson of 02 is the elusiveness. Lewis would have had massive problems even touching him.
Lennox is only 9 months older than Tyson. You make it sound like it's a grown man beating him up.
Anyways it really doesn't matter anymore. What happened was Tyson got his ass whipped by Lewis in sparring as amateurs and in a pro boxing match in '02. And what matters is that Lewis resume and accomplishments is leagues above Tyson.
Beating up on bums and blownup light HWs is a lot different than trying to beat up Lewis, Tyson learned that real quick.
The only problem with that story is you arent mentioning that a 16 year old Tyson wiped the floor with Lewis in the first session and knocked him out the ropes. All Lewis did was manage to live with him after that. Back then that was an achievment;)
Too many revisionists. Back then when boxing "experts"were watching Mike in his heydey they were saying he was coming close to Ali on greatest terms. Now, after going heywire and ruining his own career, people like to forget how dominant and skillfull he was.
Lewis on the other hand, never had a dominant point in his career where he was seen as unbeatable, people were always on tender hooks for that chin, or another gift decision like the Mercer fight, or not trying hard enough against Holyfield in both fights.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
Lewis was never beat in his prime i don't think and has the best resume out there besides Ali in the heavies anyhow. I have a hard time seeing Tyson winning all i have to go on is him beating a Holmes who had not been in the ring for ever and Spinks a atg lhw. Tyson has failed when he ran into the elite almost every single time so i can not see him beating Lewis who was king of the there era.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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Lewis was never beat in his prime i don't think and has the best resume out there besides Ali in the heavies anyhow. I have a hard time seeing Tyson winning all i have to go on is him beating a Holmes who had not been in the ring for ever and Spinks a atg lhw. Tyson has failed when he ran into the elite almost every single time so i can not see him beating Lewis who was king of the there era.
Oh right;D
So when was his prime?;)
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
Tyson wins with Lewis boxing too conservatively and cautiously to survive a wide points defeat.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
I have no idea! A tall, long, guy with a questionable chin against a gifted puncher who struggled to maintain distance against tall, long guys and never had a Plan B.
It is an awful matchup for both! :)
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
Well to me wen he lost to Mc he was still green and when he lost Rahman he was kinda on the slide. You ask me his prime was probably 1996 to 2000 were his best years.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
Lewis in his prime beats Mike in his prime. The question here is who did Mike beat in his prime...he never fought any one that was close to a Prime Lewis....all I remember Tyson fighting was against over the hill bums and a blown up Light Heavyweight (WOW).....the first time Tyson fought any one resembling a pure boxer was Buster Douglas and we all know what happened in that fight. Lets face it Mike was well matched in a pretty dire time for good quality heavyweights. Lewis fought everyone in a time where there were more challenges than that of when Tyson fought in his prime.
Tyson would always find it difficult against a tall strong boxer type because Tyson was basically a small mediocre heavyweight with short arms.
Job Biscuit (Lewis wins every time)!!!
eh eh!!
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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Lewis wins, no doubt in my mind. Tyson always had trouble with guys 6'4" and taller. Tyson looked pretty ordinary against guys like Mitch Green, Tucker, Bonecrusher Smith, and got beat up pretty bad and knocked out by Douglas.
And Lennox Lewis was always the smarter boxer with higher ring IQ. I can't find the clip now on youtube, but I remember watching some random clip that trainers saw Lewis and Tyson sparring in the early 80s as amateurs and Tyson had the edge in the early goings and then Lewis adapted and whipped him. A prime and motivated Lewis? I say he adapts and then whips Tyson, I say late round KO.
He didn't really struggle vs those guys, they just looked to survive there's big difference.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
I don't think Lewis really had a questionable chin. The fact that he got knocked out doesn't demonstrate a weak chin. Let Rahman hit anyone that hard and it doesn't take a weak chin to achieve a KO.
Lewis didn't always have the "fire in the belly" when he stepped into the ring. So he loses even when at his prime (I would consider him in his prime both when he lost to Rahman and later when he beat him) because he didn't prepare for the fight. He looked soft, doughy, lazy.
I've always thought that a prime Tyson might take out Lewis if he did it early; a prime Lewis who came sharp and prepared, and weathered the first three or four rounds, should be able to outbox and win either on decision or KO.
Tyson was probably not in best form against Douglas, but regardless, Douglas provides a template for a tall, strong heavyweight to outbox Tyson.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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I have no idea! A tall, long, guy with a questionable chin against a gifted puncher who struggled to maintain distance against tall, long guys and never had a Plan B.
It is an awful matchup for both! :)
Lewis having a questionable chin is one of the biggest urban legends in boxing. The two shots that stopped him would have stopped a hippo and we all know what happened in the rematches providing us with perhaps two of the funniest pictures in boxing history,
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...20rahman-2.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...ng_332121s.jpg
If Lennox had a bad chin it would have showed when he exchanged bombs with Vitali.
This is a hard fight to call. The 88 version of Tyson had incredible head movement and extremely fast hands and lets face it could have knocked anyone out. Gun to my head Lewis on pts.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
Lennox+Steward beats any version of mike tyson...
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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I have no idea! A tall, long, guy with a questionable chin against a gifted puncher who struggled to maintain distance against tall, long guys and never had a Plan B.
It is an awful matchup for both! :)
Yes, they were both awful fighters :rolleyes:
If they had've been around between 1880 and 1960 you would be all over them like a fat kid with cake ;)
And totally agree with the guys that said Lewis didn't have a questionable chin. George Chuvalho or Oliver McCall would've gone down from the Rahman punch ;)
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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I have no idea! A tall, long, guy with a questionable chin against a gifted puncher who struggled to maintain distance against tall, long guys and never had a Plan B.
It is an awful matchup for both! :)
Yes, they were both awful fighters :rolleyes:
If they had've been around between 1880 and 1960 you would be all over them like a fat kid with cake ;)
And totally agree with the guys that said Lewis didn't have a questionable chin. George Chuvalho or Oliver McCall would've gone down from the Rahman punch ;)
Jesus, are you HTH in disguise?
He said match-up, as in they were both designed to exploit the other's flaws. I've seen him rate both as Hall of Famers & he had no disagreements about me rating Lewis an ATG.
Aside from your lack of reading comprehension (you are from Essex I understand ;D), I have to say I agree about Lewis' chin. Everyone is chinny if caught with the right shot. Although I think Chuvalo would've weathered it. McCall would've taken the shot then walked over & wanked on the ref's shoes or something mental like that.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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I have no idea! A tall, long, guy with a questionable chin against a gifted puncher who struggled to maintain distance against tall, long guys and never had a Plan B.
It is an awful matchup for both! :)
Lewis having a questionable chin is one of the biggest urban legends in boxing. The two shots that stopped him would have stopped a hippo and we all know what happened in the rematches providing us with perhaps two of the funniest pictures in boxing history,
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...20rahman-2.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...ng_332121s.jpg
If Lennox had a bad chin it would have showed when he exchanged bombs with Vitali.
This is a hard fight to call. The 88 version of Tyson had incredible head movement and extremely fast hands and lets face it could have knocked anyone out. Gun to my head Lewis on pts.
Well to be fair Oliver McCall wasn't even fighting, the guy was totally screwed up. And he should of had an immediate rematch vs Oliver McCall.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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Lewis in his prime beats Mike in his prime. The question here is who did Mike beat in his prime...he never fought any one that was close to a Prime Lewis....all I remember Tyson fighting was against over the hill bums and a blown up Light Heavyweight (WOW).....the first time Tyson fought any one resembling a pure boxer was Buster Douglas and we all know what happened in that fight. Lets face it Mike was well matched in a pretty dire time for good quality heavyweights. Lewis fought everyone in a time where there were more challenges than that of when Tyson fought in his prime.
Tyson would always find it difficult against a tall strong boxer type because Tyson was basically a small mediocre heavyweight with short arms.
Job Biscuit (Lewis wins every time)!!!
eh eh!!
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I have no idea! A tall, long, guy with a questionable chin against a gifted puncher who struggled to maintain distance against tall, long guys and never had a Plan B.
It is an awful matchup for both! :)
Yes, they were both awful fighters :rolleyes:
If they had've been around between 1880 and 1960 you would be all over them like a fat kid with cake ;)
And totally agree with the guys that said Lewis didn't have a questionable chin. George t Oliver McCall would've gone down from the Rahman punch ;)
You sound like Amir Kahns old man about the Prescott fight!
So all the fighters that beat Rahman had a better chin than George Chuvalo? Hhaha!
Lewis never had a dominant period, he was gegting gift decisions v Mercer and looked shite v Akinwande and Mavrovic. He drew with Bolyfield because he was too scared to engage and got a shite decision against Holyfield because he was too scaredtoexchange and at the very height of his fame, he got proper sparked out cold by Rahman. What a joke!
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marbleheadmaui
I have no idea! A tall, long, guy with a questionable chin against a gifted puncher who struggled to maintain distance against tall, long guys and never had a Plan B.
It is an awful matchup for both! :)
Lewis having a questionable chin is one of the biggest urban legends in boxing. The two shots that stopped him would have stopped a hippo and we all know what happened in the rematches providing us with perhaps two of the funniest pictures in boxing history,
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...20rahman-2.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...ng_332121s.jpg
If Lennox had a bad chin it would have showed when he exchanged bombs with Vitali.
This is a hard fight to call. The 88 version of Tyson had incredible head movement and extremely fast hands and lets face it could have knocked anyone out. Gun to my head Lewis on pts.
Well to be fair Oliver McCall wasn't even fighting, the guy was totally screwed up. And he should of had an immediate rematch vs Oliver McCall.
He folded, cried like a baby and had to be escorted out of the ring. I'm surprised nobody handed him a soother. Why did Lennox owe him a rematch?
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marbleheadmaui
I have no idea! A tall, long, guy with a questionable chin against a gifted puncher who struggled to maintain distance against tall, long guys and never had a Plan B.
It is an awful matchup for both! :)
Lewis having a questionable chin is one of the biggest urban legends in boxing. The two shots that stopped him would have stopped a hippo and we all know what happened in the rematches providing us with perhaps two of the funniest pictures in boxing history,
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...20rahman-2.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...ng_332121s.jpg
If Lennox had a bad chin it would have showed when he exchanged bombs with Vitali.
This is a hard fight to call. The 88 version of Tyson had incredible head movement and extremely fast hands and lets face it could have knocked anyone out. Gun to my head Lewis on pts.
Well to be fair Oliver McCall wasn't even fighting, the guy was totally screwed up. And he should of had an immediate rematch vs Oliver McCall.
He folded, cried like a baby and had to be escorted out of the ring. I'm surprised nobody handed him a soother. Why did Lennox owe him a rematch?
That's because he was having personal problems in his life, im not saying that's Lennox Lewis's fault. But it was hardly revenge when the guy doesn't even want to fight, which had nothing to do with his opponent.
And i meant when Lennox Lewis lost, there should of been an immediate rematch. Like with the Hasim Rahman fight.
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marbleheadmaui
I have no idea! A tall, long, guy with a questionable chin against a gifted puncher who struggled to maintain distance against tall, long guys and never had a Plan B.
It is an awful matchup for both! :)
Lewis having a questionable chin is one of the biggest urban legends in boxing. The two shots that stopped him would have stopped a hippo and we all know what happened in the rematches providing us with perhaps two of the funniest pictures in boxing history,
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...20rahman-2.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...ng_332121s.jpg
If Lennox had a bad chin it would have showed when he exchanged bombs with Vitali.
This is a hard fight to call. The 88 version of Tyson had incredible head movement and extremely fast hands and lets face it could have knocked anyone out. Gun to my head Lewis on pts.
Well to be fair Oliver McCall wasn't even fighting, the guy was totally screwed up. And he should of had an immediate rematch vs Oliver McCall.
He folded, cried like a baby and had to be escorted out of the ring. I'm surprised nobody handed him a soother. Why did Lennox owe him a rematch?
That's because he was having personal problems in his life, im not saying that's Lennox Lewis's fault. But it was hardly revenge when the guy doesn't even want to fight, which had nothing to do with his opponent.
And i meant when Lennox Lewis lost, there should of been an immediate rematch. Like with the Hasim Rahman fight.
Then don't fight. All depends on ones definition of revenge. I am sure if you asked Lennox, he would say that Oliver did not want to fight. Bittersweet perhaps but revenge nonetheless.
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I have no idea! A tall, long, guy with a questionable chin against a gifted puncher who struggled to maintain distance against tall, long guys and never had a Plan B.
It is an awful matchup for both! :)
Lewis having a questionable chin is one of the biggest urban legends in boxing. The two shots that stopped him would have stopped a hippo and we all know what happened in the rematches providing us with perhaps two of the funniest pictures in boxing history,
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...20rahman-2.jpg
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If Lennox had a bad chin it would have showed when he exchanged bombs with Vitali.
This is a hard fight to call. The 88 version of Tyson had incredible head movement and extremely fast hands and lets face it could have knocked anyone out. Gun to my head Lewis on pts.
Well to be fair Oliver McCall wasn't even fighting, the guy was totally screwed up. And he should of had an immediate rematch vs Oliver McCall.
He folded, cried like a baby and had to be escorted out of the ring. I'm surprised nobody handed him a soother. Why did Lennox owe him a rematch?
That's because he was having personal problems in his life, im not saying that's Lennox Lewis's fault. But it was hardly revenge when the guy doesn't even want to fight, which had nothing to do with his opponent.
And i meant when Lennox Lewis lost, there should of been an immediate rematch. Like with the Hasim Rahman fight.
Then don't fight. All depends on ones definition of revenge. I am sure if you asked Lennox, he would say that Oliver did not want to fight. Bittersweet perhaps but revenge nonetheless.
I agree Oliver McCall shouldn't of fought, Lennox Lewis can only fight what was in front of him. But IMO i don't really think it was revenge.
Because he was fighting a man who had just got out of rehab, and was having all sorts of problem's in his life. And Oliver McCall wasn't even fighting for most of the fight, he was just walking around the ring, turning his back on Lennox Lewis.
Infact i was more impressed with the fact that despite having a breakdown, Oliver McCall was still able to take flush shots of Lennox Lewis without blinking. Jesus what a chin the guy has incredible.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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Lewis in his prime beats Mike in his prime. The question here is who did Mike beat in his prime...he never fought any one that was close to a Prime Lewis....all I remember Tyson fighting was against over the hill bums and a blown up Light Heavyweight (WOW).....the first time Tyson fought any one resembling a pure boxer was Buster Douglas and we all know what happened in that fight. Lets face it Mike was well matched in a pretty dire time for good quality heavyweights. Lewis fought everyone in a time where there were more challenges than that of when Tyson fought in his prime.
Tyson would always find it difficult against a tall strong boxer type because Tyson was basically a small mediocre heavyweight with short arms.
Job Biscuit (Lewis wins every time)!!!
eh eh!!
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I have no idea! A tall, long, guy with a questionable chin against a gifted puncher who struggled to maintain distance against tall, long guys and never had a Plan B.
It is an awful matchup for both! :)
Yes, they were both awful fighters :rolleyes:
If they had've been around between 1880 and 1960 you would be all over them like a fat kid with cake ;)
And totally agree with the guys that said Lewis didn't have a questionable chin. George t Oliver McCall would've gone down from the Rahman punch ;)
You sound like Amir Kahns old man about the Prescott fight!
So all the fighters that beat Rahman had a better chin than George Chuvalo? Hhaha!
Lewis never had a dominant period, he was gegting gift decisions v Mercer and looked shite v Akinwande and Mavrovic. He drew with Bolyfield because he was too scared to engage and got a shite decision against Holyfield because he was too scaredtoexchange and at the very height of his fame, he got proper sparked out cold by Rahman. What a joke!
Congratulations on the wankest post in the past 5 years ;)
I said "THAT PUNCH" from Rahman would've floored McCall or Chuvalho and I stand by that. It was the best punch the guy ever threw and connected right on the sweets spot. Nobosy stands up from that punch imo.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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BIG H
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ross
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Otley
Lewis in his prime beats Mike in his prime. The question here is who did Mike beat in his prime...he never fought any one that was close to a Prime Lewis....all I remember Tyson fighting was against over the hill bums and a blown up Light Heavyweight (WOW).....the first time Tyson fought any one resembling a pure boxer was Buster Douglas and we all know what happened in that fight. Lets face it Mike was well matched in a pretty dire time for good quality heavyweights. Lewis fought everyone in a time where there were more challenges than that of when Tyson fought in his prime.
Tyson would always find it difficult against a tall strong boxer type because Tyson was basically a small mediocre heavyweight with short arms.
Job Biscuit (Lewis wins every time)!!!
eh eh!!
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BIG H
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marbleheadmaui
I have no idea! A tall, long, guy with a questionable chin against a gifted puncher who struggled to maintain distance against tall, long guys and never had a Plan B.
It is an awful matchup for both! :)
Yes, they were both awful fighters :rolleyes:
If they had've been around between 1880 and 1960 you would be all over them like a fat kid with cake ;)
And totally agree with the guys that said Lewis didn't have a questionable chin. George t Oliver McCall would've gone down from the Rahman punch ;)
You sound like Amir Kahns old man about the Prescott fight!
So all the fighters that beat Rahman had a better chin than George Chuvalo? Hhaha!
Lewis never had a dominant period, he was gegting gift decisions v Mercer and looked shite v Akinwande and Mavrovic. He drew with Bolyfield because he was too scared to engage and got a shite decision against Holyfield because he was too scaredtoexchange and at the very height of his fame, he got proper sparked out cold by Rahman. What a joke!
Congratulations on the wankest post in the past 5 years ;)
I said "THAT PUNCH" from Rahman would've floored McCall or Chuvalho and I stand by that. It was the best punch the guy ever threw and connected right on the sweets spot. Nobosy stands up from that punch imo.
Yeah, not even Ali who took flush shots from Foreman, Frazier and Shavers;D
Oh but you mean that one single hardest ever thrown punch in the history of boxing;D
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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ross
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BIG H
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Otley
Lewis in his prime beats Mike in his prime. The question here is who did Mike beat in his prime...he never fought any one that was close to a Prime Lewis....all I remember Tyson fighting was against over the hill bums and a blown up Light Heavyweight (WOW).....the first time Tyson fought any one resembling a pure boxer was Buster Douglas and we all know what happened in that fight. Lets face it Mike was well matched in a pretty dire time for good quality heavyweights. Lewis fought everyone in a time where there were more challenges than that of when Tyson fought in his prime.
Tyson would always find it difficult against a tall strong boxer type because Tyson was basically a small mediocre heavyweight with short arms.
Job Biscuit (Lewis wins every time)!!!
eh eh!!
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BIG H
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
I have no idea! A tall, long, guy with a questionable chin against a gifted puncher who struggled to maintain distance against tall, long guys and never had a Plan B.
It is an awful matchup for both! :)
Yes, they were both awful fighters :rolleyes:
If they had've been around between 1880 and 1960 you would be all over them like a fat kid with cake ;)
And totally agree with the guys that said Lewis didn't have a questionable chin. George t Oliver McCall would've gone down from the Rahman punch ;)
You sound like Amir Kahns old man about the Prescott fight!
So all the fighters that beat Rahman had a better chin than George Chuvalo? Hhaha!
Lewis never had a dominant period, he was gegting gift decisions v Mercer and looked shite v Akinwande and Mavrovic. He drew with Bolyfield because he was too scared to engage and got a shite decision against Holyfield because he was too scaredtoexchange and at the very height of his fame, he got proper sparked out cold by Rahman. What a joke!
Congratulations on the wankest post in the past 5 years ;)
I said "THAT PUNCH" from Rahman would've floored McCall or Chuvalho and I stand by that. It was the best punch the guy ever threw and connected right on the sweets spot. Nobosy stands up from that punch imo.
Yeah, not even Ali who took flush shots from Foreman, Frazier and Shavers;D
Oh but you mean that one single hardest ever thrown punch in the history of boxing;D
Tell me a punch that hard, that landed where that one did and the other guy stood up. Foreman, Frazier nor Shavers hit Ali with a shot on the button like that. Shavers hit Holmes with one and guess what Holmes went down.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
Fraiser landed a knock out left hook on Ali in the last round of their first fight and ali got up. Shavers landed a moster punch against Holmes and Larry got up. Hell Larry got up from Tyson's right hand.
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Fraiser landed a knock out left hook on Ali in the last round of their first fight and ali got up. Shavers landed a moster punch against Holmes and Larry got up. Hell Larry got up from Tyson's right hand.
But they went down ;)
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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I think this is an interesting matchup. Obviously the Tyson/Lewis that we saw was a joke fight and had no particular meaning outside of the gullible and the ego of Lennox Lewis, but imagine if these two could have squared up in their seeming primes. I am not convinced I have the prime of Lewis nailed as I have never really enjoyed his fights, but it was around this time that he was racking up the wins and was seemingly on a roll.
Personally, I think the young Tyson steamrollers him and knocks him unconscious in about 3 rounds. Lewis wouldn't be able to tame the ferocity that would be coming at him and his chin would not stand up to the ferocity of Mike Tyson for too long. The grappling and holding that Lewis eventually used against Tyson would not have worked because the young Tyson would have landed 5 before the grapple became effective. Tyson was done after 1 and had forgotten how to move his head in 2002. 1988 was a different Tyson and different world.
I think Lewis would have been slaughtered in brutal fashion.
Who you got?
I think prime lewis would have found a way. He'd got tyson passed the 4th then worn him down.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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BIG H
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ross
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Originally Posted by
BIG H
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Originally Posted by
ross
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Originally Posted by
Otley
Lewis in his prime beats Mike in his prime. The question here is who did Mike beat in his prime...he never fought any one that was close to a Prime Lewis....all I remember Tyson fighting was against over the hill bums and a blown up Light Heavyweight (WOW).....the first time Tyson fought any one resembling a pure boxer was Buster Douglas and we all know what happened in that fight. Lets face it Mike was well matched in a pretty dire time for good quality heavyweights. Lewis fought everyone in a time where there were more challenges than that of when Tyson fought in his prime.
Tyson would always find it difficult against a tall strong boxer type because Tyson was basically a small mediocre heavyweight with short arms.
Job Biscuit (Lewis wins every time)!!!
eh eh!!
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Originally Posted by
BIG H
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
I have no idea! A tall, long, guy with a questionable chin against a gifted puncher who struggled to maintain distance against tall, long guys and never had a Plan B.
It is an awful matchup for both! :)
Yes, they were both awful fighters :rolleyes:
If they had've been around between 1880 and 1960 you would be all over them like a fat kid with cake ;)
And totally agree with the guys that said Lewis didn't have a questionable chin. George t Oliver McCall would've gone down from the Rahman punch ;)
You sound like Amir Kahns old man about the Prescott fight!
So all the fighters that beat Rahman had a better chin than George Chuvalo? Hhaha!
Lewis never had a dominant period, he was gegting gift decisions v Mercer and looked shite v Akinwande and Mavrovic. He drew with Bolyfield because he was too scared to engage and got a shite decision against Holyfield because he was too scaredtoexchange and at the very height of his fame, he got proper sparked out cold by Rahman. What a joke!
Congratulations on the wankest post in the past 5 years ;)
I said "THAT PUNCH" from Rahman would've floored McCall or Chuvalho and I stand by that. It was the best punch the guy ever threw and connected right on the sweets spot. Nobosy stands up from that punch imo.
Yeah, not even Ali who took flush shots from Foreman, Frazier and Shavers;D
Oh but you mean that one single hardest ever thrown punch in the history of boxing;D
Tell me a punch that hard, that landed where that one did and the other guy stood up. Foreman, Frazier nor Shavers hit Ali with a shot on the button like that. Shavers hit Holmes with one and guess what Holmes went down.
Yea but the difference is Earnie Shavers, is considered one of the hardest hitting Heavyweight's of all time. And that shot was right on the button, and Larry Holmes got up within 4 seconds then beat the crap out of Earnie Shavers.
I remember Jimmy Young taking a great left hook, from George Foreman in the 7th round of there fight. And despite being slightly wobbled took it great.
Also while having a breakdown, Oliver McCall took flush right hands from Lennox Lewis without blinking ;)
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
The old Tyson I saw in 1988 would obliterate Lewis of 1999. :cool:
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The old Tyson I saw in 1988 would obliterate Lewis of 1999. :cool:
The way Mercer bullied Lewis around and the way Lewis fought scared against Holyfield deffinitly makes me think Tysons skill and speed would have been too much for Lewis.
Theres too many young fans on here that dont remember how good Mike was. Its all bullshit nowadays about how Mike got found out. He didnt get found out at all. Unless Douglas was better than Spinks, Holmes and Tucker?
Mike had a very noticable and rapid decline in skills when he left Rooney. The Tyson from 88 was awesome.
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Re: Tyson of 1988 versus Lewis of 1999
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brucelee
The old Tyson I saw in 1988 would obliterate Lewis of 1999. :cool:
The way Mercer bullied Lewis around and the way Lewis fought scared against Holyfield deffinitly makes me think Tysons skill and speed would have been too much for Lewis.
Theres too many young fans on here that dont remember how good Mike was. Its all bullshit nowadays about how Mike got found out. He didnt get found out at all. Unless Douglas was better than Spinks, Holmes and Tucker?
Mike had a very noticable and rapid decline in skills when he left Rooney. The Tyson from 88 was awesome.
Your not trying to claim Holmes was in his prime for that fight are you?
