Kostya Tszyu hall of fame induction

Just wanted to post this to get some feedback from the Aussie fans. It's my take on the career of Kostya Tszyu ahead of his Hall of Fame induction this weekend.

Tszyu takes his place among greats - Other Sports - Sportal Australia

Haven't been around much on the forums lately, to be honest the absence of a Pacquiao Mayweather fight has dimmed my enthusiasm for the sport a bit. Still, there are some good things going on - Pac keeps looking good, and Carl Froch has impressed me an awful lot lately.

Hope all the old heads are doing well.

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Originally Posted by Greig

Just wanted to post this to get some feedback from the Aussie fans. It's my take on the career of Kostya Tszyu ahead of his Hall of Fame induction this weekend.

Tszyu takes his place among greats - Other Sports - Sportal Australia

Haven't been around much on the forums lately, to be honest the absence of a Pacquiao Mayweather fight has dimmed my enthusiasm for the sport a bit. Still, there are some good things going on - Pac keeps looking good, and Carl Froch has impressed me an awful lot lately.

Hope all the old heads are doing well.

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Good work mate, nice to see you, hope alls well.

Well written mate.

Would have loved him to have fought Vince again.

You could have easily put the word right after this sentence..

But the simple fact of the matter is that, as a fighter, Tszyu was better than all of them – and in most cases by the length of the straight ....

I'm not an aussie, but I thought Kostya had a hall of fame career, tarnished a bit by his loss to Ricky Hatton in his last fight as a pro.

I'm hope Tszyu is doing well financially and otherwise, and congrats on being inducted into the boxing hall of fame! :beerchug:

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Originally Posted by Andre

Well written mate.

Would have loved him to have fought Vince again.

You could have easily put the word right after this sentence..

But the simple fact of the matter is that, as a fighter, Tszyu was better than all of them – and in most cases by the length of the straight ....

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Ha, indeed Andre - along with Tommy Hearns one of the best right hands I've ever seen.

Hey Memphis, all ok down under mate, what about yourself?

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

I'm not an aussie, but I thought Kostya had a hall of fame career, tarnished a bit by his loss to Ricky Hatton in his last fight as a pro.

I'm hope Tszyu is doing well financially and otherwise, and congrats on being inducted into the boxing hall of fame! :beerchug:

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Unlike Jones Jr and Mosley Tszyu did the right thing and retired, he fought a young gun in Hatton on his home turf, with just 3 rounds in the ring in 36 months, an english ref and 20,000 Hatton fans cheering on every low blow that was landed..so the noise was deafening. Tszyu was approaching 36 yrs old, coming back after a shoulder injury and was quite simply done. More than half his pro fight career was against 16 World Champions. The Phillips loss being the only real blemish and that was due to a gastro attack that left him drained before fight time after the weigh in. Remember he almost had Phillips out of there in round 3, he had nothing left in the tank after round 5, a rematch would have seen a very early KO win. The only reason a rematch didn't happen was Millet stopped Phillips in 1999 and Tszyu went onto to fight Gonzalez. The amazing thing is, i don't think we ever really saw the best of Kostya Tszyu, we saw glimpses of it, but without a Mosley, DLH or Floyd fight i think he will always have a question mark against in his name and that's a shame. He was an undisputed world champion in his time and that is a rarity in boxing.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

I'm not an aussie, but I thought Kostya had a hall of fame career, tarnished a bit by his loss to Ricky Hatton in his last fight as a pro.

I'm hope Tszyu is doing well financially and otherwise, and congrats on being inducted into the boxing hall of fame! :beerchug:

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Unlike Jones Jr and Mosley Tszyu did the right thing and retired, he fought a young gun in Hatton on his home turf, with just 3 rounds in the ring in 36 months, an english ref and 20,000 Hatton fans cheering on every low blow that was landed..so the noise was deafening. Tszyu was approaching 36 yrs old, coming back after a shoulder injury and was quite simply done. More than half his pro fight career was against 16 World Champions. The Phillips loss being the only real blemish and that was due to a gastro attack that left him drained before fight time after the weigh in. Remember he almost had Phillips out of there in round 3, he had nothing left in the tank after round 5, a rematch would have seen a very early KO win. The only reason a rematch didn't happen was Millet stopped Phillips in 1999 and Tszyu went onto to fight Gonzalez. The amazing thing is, i don't think we ever really saw the best of Kostya Tszyu, we saw glimpses of it, but without a Mosley, DLH or Floyd fight i think he will always have a question mark against in his name and that's a shame. He was an undisputed world champion in his time and that is a rarity in boxing.

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Funny thing with Kostya was we knew just how good a clean precise boxer he could be, yet we saw him want to slug it out up the hard route in so many fights.
Good on him, it made for a very entertaining number of years giving the fans exactly what they wanted.

no way tszyu deserves HOF. he got beat by a 37 yr old crack head in VP. No way.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

I'm not an aussie, but I thought Kostya had a hall of fame career, tarnished a bit by his loss to Ricky Hatton in his last fight as a pro.

I'm hope Tszyu is doing well financially and otherwise, and congrats on being inducted into the boxing hall of fame! :beerchug:

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Unlike Jones Jr and Mosley Tszyu did the right thing and retired, he fought a young gun in Hatton on his home turf, with just 3 rounds in the ring in 36 months, an english ref and 20,000 Hatton fans cheering on every low blow that was landed..so the noise was deafening. Tszyu was approaching 36 yrs old, coming back after a shoulder injury and was quite simply done. More than half his pro fight career was against 16 World Champions. The Phillips loss being the only real blemish and that was due to a gastro attack that left him drained before fight time after the weigh in. Remember he almost had Phillips out of there in round 3, he had nothing left in the tank after round 5, a rematch would have seen a very early KO win. The only reason a rematch didn't happen was Millet stopped Phillips in 1999 and Tszyu went onto to fight Gonzalez. The amazing thing is, i don't think we ever really saw the best of Kostya Tszyu, we saw glimpses of it, but without a Mosley, DLH or Floyd fight i think he will always have a question mark against in his name and that's a shame. He was an undisputed world champion in his time and that is a rarity in boxing.

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Tszyu was one of my favorite fighters, he was fun to watch, and the creator of the World famous "Chicken Dance" as performed by Zab Judah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o7A3rMN6Co

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

no way tszyu deserves HOF. he got beat by a 37 yr old crack head in VP. No way.

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And if he was coked that night?

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

no way tszyu deserves HOF. he got beat by a 37 yr old crack head in VP. No way.

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Return when you sober up.

Some people question his stats, I dont know why. I think he is deserving and personally I was hoping he would come back after the Hatton fight, it just wasn't meant to be.

He fought 16 World Champions and that's enough for me.

His Division was pretty weak and the lose to VP is a blemish for sure. His best win is Juda so i dont really know were to place him his division was pretty weak for the years he was in it.

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Originally Posted by Mr140

His Division was pretty weak and the lose to VP is a blemish for sure. His best win is Juda so i dont really know were to place him his division was pretty weak for the years he was in it.

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Well he did beat Sharmba Mitchell twice, who was a hell of a good boxer. And he easily fended off the last stands of Julio Caesar Chavez and Jesse James Leija.

Kostya Tszyu is deserving of being inducted into the HOF, and certainly as deserving as many of the inductees who've gotten in with lessor resumes. Tszyu was a legit champion, and he brought excitement and added interest to the sport of boxing. Apparently the folks who voted him into the Hall, must have agreed with me.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

no way tszyu deserves HOF. he got beat by a 37 yr old crack head in VP. No way.

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If losing meant dismissal, a Hall of Fame would not exist. Barry McGuigan got in. Nuff said.
Trouble with the Hall is that they have no criteria in writing. No operating manifesto. It's a very subjective process.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

no way tszyu deserves HOF. he got beat by a 37 yr old crack head in VP. No way.

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If losing meant dismissal, a Hall of Fame would not exist. Barry McGuigan got in. Nuff said.
Trouble with the Hall is that they have no criteria in writing. No operating manifesto. It's a very subjective process.

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Right, the main purpose of the hall is to honor outstanding fighters and their achievements, and not everyone who gets in needs to be a Marciano, Ali, SRR, et al. There's probably a guy or 2 in the HOF that doesn't deserve to be there, but big deal, like you're saying, it's all subjective anyway.

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His Division was pretty weak and the lose to VP is a blemish for sure. His best win is Juda so i dont really know were to place him his division was pretty weak for the years he was in it.

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You could say the same thing about Aaron Pryor, his best opponent was Arguello a bulked up Featherweight! I remember people saying what a strong and exciting division the 140lb Jr welter was at the time. Mitchell had not been beaten for 7 years, Judah was at his peak and was going to cut through Tszyu like swiss cheese, there was Gonzalez, Hurtado etc Many great champions have had bad fights and lost to fighters they shouldn't have and for various reasons: Foreman to Jimmy Young, Pryor to Bobby Joe Young, Arguello to Fernandez, Olivares to Herrera (twice) Frazier was almost out to Bonavena, Ali to Cooper etc
Maybe because Tszyu beat his opponents so easily people have the opinion the division was weak? What cannot be taken away from him is the fact that more than half of his pro career was fought against world champions. He finished at the right time, he had injuries and age had got the better of him.

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His Division was pretty weak and the lose to VP is a blemish for sure. His best win is Juda so i dont really know were to place him his division was pretty weak for the years he was in it.

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You could say the same thing about Aaron Pryor, his best opponent was Arguello a bulked up Featherweight! I remember people saying what a strong and exciting division the 140lb Jr welter was at the time. Mitchell had not been beaten for 7 years, Judah was at his peak and was going to cut through Tszyu like swiss cheese, there was Gonzalez, Hurtado etc Many great champions have had bad fights and lost to fighters they shouldn't have and for various reasons: Foreman to Jimmy Young, Pryor to Bobby Joe Young, Arguello to Fernandez, Olivares to Herrera (twice) Frazier was almost out to Bonavena, Ali to Cooper etc
Maybe because Tszyu beat his opponents so easily people have the opinion the division was weak? What cannot be taken away from him is the fact that more than half of his pro career was fought against world champions. He finished at the right time, he had injuries and age had got the better of him.

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That nut shot from Ricky Hatton didn't help extend his career any...

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His Division was pretty weak and the lose to VP is a blemish for sure. His best win is Juda so i dont really know were to place him his division was pretty weak for the years he was in it.

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You could say the same thing about Aaron Pryor, his best opponent was Arguello a bulked up Featherweight! I remember people saying what a strong and exciting division the 140lb Jr welter was at the time. Mitchell had not been beaten for 7 years, Judah was at his peak and was going to cut through Tszyu like swiss cheese, there was Gonzalez, Hurtado etc Many great champions have had bad fights and lost to fighters they shouldn't have and for various reasons: Foreman to Jimmy Young, Pryor to Bobby Joe Young, Arguello to Fernandez, Olivares to Herrera (twice) Frazier was almost out to Bonavena, Ali to Cooper etc
Maybe because Tszyu beat his opponents so easily people have the opinion the division was weak? What cannot be taken away from him is the fact that more than half of his pro career was fought against world champions. He finished at the right time, he had injuries and age had got the better of him.

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That nut shot from Ricky Hatton didn't help extend his career any...

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Shots...and there were plenty of them! I would've waved it all off by round 9 and sent Hatton back to the rule book.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

I'm not an aussie, but I thought Kostya had a hall of fame career, tarnished a bit by his loss to Ricky Hatton in his last fight as a pro.

I'm hope Tszyu is doing well financially and otherwise, and congrats on being inducted into the boxing hall of fame! :beerchug:

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Unlike Jones Jr and Mosley Tszyu did the right thing and retired, he fought a young gun in Hatton on his home turf, with just 3 rounds in the ring in 36 months, an english ref and 20,000 Hatton fans cheering on every low blow that was landed..so the noise was deafening. Tszyu was approaching 36 yrs old, coming back after a shoulder injury and was quite simply done. More than half his pro fight career was against 16 World Champions. The Phillips loss being the only real blemish and that was due to a gastro attack that left him drained before fight time after the weigh in. Remember he almost had Phillips out of there in round 3, he had nothing left in the tank after round 5, a rematch would have seen a very early KO win. The only reason a rematch didn't happen was Millet stopped Phillips in 1999 and Tszyu went onto to fight Gonzalez. The amazing thing is, i don't think we ever really saw the best of Kostya Tszyu, we saw glimpses of it, but without a Mosley, DLH or Floyd fight i think he will always have a question mark against in his name and that's a shame. He was an undisputed world champion in his time and that is a rarity in boxing.

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Kostya Tszyu didn't look like he had any problems during the Vince Phillips fight, he just fought a guy who was hungry and didn't give him space. As it's been said many times Kostya Tszyu likes distance, his inside fighting skills aren't great which is why he was beaten by both Hatton, Phillips.

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Originally Posted by Mars_ax

I'm not an aussie, but I thought Kostya had a hall of fame career, tarnished a bit by his loss to Ricky Hatton in his last fight as a pro.

I'm hope Tszyu is doing well financially and otherwise, and congrats on being inducted into the boxing hall of fame! :beerchug:

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Unlike Jones Jr and Mosley Tszyu did the right thing and retired, he fought a young gun in Hatton on his home turf, with just 3 rounds in the ring in 36 months, an english ref and 20,000 Hatton fans cheering on every low blow that was landed..so the noise was deafening. Tszyu was approaching 36 yrs old, coming back after a shoulder injury and was quite simply done. More than half his pro fight career was against 16 World Champions. The Phillips loss being the only real blemish and that was due to a gastro attack that left him drained before fight time after the weigh in. Remember he almost had Phillips out of there in round 3, he had nothing left in the tank after round 5, a rematch would have seen a very early KO win. The only reason a rematch didn't happen was Millet stopped Phillips in 1999 and Tszyu went onto to fight Gonzalez. The amazing thing is, i don't think we ever really saw the best of Kostya Tszyu, we saw glimpses of it, but without a Mosley, DLH or Floyd fight i think he will always have a question mark against in his name and that's a shame. He was an undisputed world champion in his time and that is a rarity in boxing.

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Kostya Tszyu didn't look like he had any problems during the Vince Phillips fight, he just fought a guy who was hungry and didn't give him space. As it's been said many times Kostya Tszyu likes distance, his inside fighting skills aren't great which is why he was beaten by both Hatton, Phillips.

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He could box very well,I think he just chose war instead and liked to test his own ground and that of others. You only got to watch his dismantlement of Vernon Forrest in the world titles to see what tools he had behind him.

I don't really disagree with Tszyu being inducted, I guess I just don't really feel he's a 1st ballot hall of famer. I think of those being inducted this time, only really Chavez has the feel of a 1st ballot kind of guy. Tyson obviously is because of who he is, but in truth his resume is not a million miles better than Tszyu's. He deserves to be there though, so I guess he gets in when he gets in. I do feel a bit sorry for him that on the two occasions that he was so close to real huge fights, he lost the fight before. I've often wondered whether he lost those fights because Phillips & Hatton were bad style match-ups for him or if he just took his eye off the ball a little & started thinking about Oscar & Floyd.

I am somewhat puzzled as to the criticism of Tszyu's induction to the HOF and the questioning of his record. As i have stated before he fought 16 world champions including fighting one in only his 4th pro fight. I remember Tszyu's camp throwing out the challenge to JCC after that and JC wanted nothing to do with him then. Tszyu became a world champion in January 1995 and was still a world champion in June 2005, he unified the division, not done for 30 years and beat all comers in a division that at one time was regarded as the best in boxing in 2001!
I am not sure what else he could've done, he lost only twice and there were reasons for both losses (he was physically ill the night before the Phillips fight, but the fight went ahead) that's boxing, the show must go on, but no one should judge him on the Phillips loss. Any rematch would've seen a very early KO win for Tszyu, Millett just got in first. The only person happier than Vince Phillips that night was Oscar De La Hoya!
As for Hatton, Tszyu was approaching 36 yrs old, had injuries and fought just 3 rounds in 36 months. He didn't expect to be wearing his balls as earrings that night either! Judge him on what he did over a 12 year career not those two losses. Will anyone be critical of Mosley when he is inducted? The last 9 years of his career show a 50% win loss record!
9 wins 7 losses 1 NC 1 Draw. :o

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I am somewhat puzzled as to the criticism of Tszyu's induction to the HOF and the questioning of his record. As i have stated before he fought 16 world champions including fighting one in only his 4th pro fight. I remember Tszyu's camp throwing out the challenge to JCC after that and JC wanted nothing to do with him then. Tszyu became a world champion in January 1995 and was still a world champion in June 2005, he unified the division, not done for 30 years and beat all comers in a division that at one time was regarded as the best in boxing in 2001!
I am not sure what else he could've done, he lost only twice and there were reasons for both losses (he was physically ill the night before the Phillips fight, but the fight went ahead) that's boxing, the show must go on, but no one should judge him on the Phillips loss. Any rematch would've seen a very early KO win for Tszyu, Millett just got in first. The only person happier than Vince Phillips that night was Oscar De La Hoya!
As for Hatton, Tszyu was approaching 36 yrs old, had injuries and fought just 3 rounds in 36 months. He didn't expect to be wearing his balls as earrings that night either! Judge him on what he did over a 12 year career not those two losses. Will anyone be critical of Mosley when he is inducted? The last 9 years of his career show a 50% win loss record!
9 wins 7 losses 1 NC 1 Draw. :o

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I think that its just a case of being only as good as your last fight.

Many people remember Tzyu quitting against Ricky Hatton and are forgetting about all the great victories he had. And just how highly rated he was in the boxing world at 140, particularly after he beat Sharmba Mitchell the second time.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

no way tszyu deserves HOF. he got beat by a 37 yr old crack head in VP. No way.

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It's not just his pro career, He had a huge armature career as well.

Mosley at age 36 to 40 had that record and look who he fought during that period. Kt lost to fucking VP and never avenged it so kinda has a mark on his career and then to Hatton and then quiet at 36. He beat Oscars left overs JCC and then his best wins are Judah and Mitchell i mean not that impressive. I mean he has beat no Atgs anywhere near there prime or even Hofs. He was in a weak division and never moved up to change that he is far step below a Mosely or Dela Hoya and far from a atg.

Now its not that i don't think KT is good but i not sure if he is a great or were he would be ranked. He is a elite but hes not Holyfeild or a Dela Hoya just don't really know were to place him.

Tszyu was a brilliant fighter who had an exceptional amateur career. He had great timing which is why he beat Zab, I think he could have beaten Floyd that night. timing beats speed.

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Mosley at age 36 to 40 had that record and look who he fought during that period. Kt lost to fucking VP and never avenged it so kinda has a mark on his career and then to Hatton and then quiet at 36. He beat Oscars left overs JCC and then his best wins are Judah and Mitchell i mean not that impressive. I mean he has beat no Atgs anywhere near there prime or even Hofs. He was in a weak division and never moved up to change that he is far step below a Mosely or Dela Hoya and far from a atg.

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The greatest ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about.

The rematch was going to happen, but Millet KO'd Phillips and Tszyu went onto fight Miguel Angel Gonzalez. Weak division? In 2001 the Jr Welter division was often recognised as the most exciting and best division in boxing. DLH still could've fought Tszyu in 97, instead he went for an ageing Whitaker, Mosley avoided him completely by leap frogging straight up to 147lb!
I doubt very much if anyone would not place Tszyu in their top 3 Jr Welters of all time, if they don't please refer to opening statement above.

Kt would get wrecked by Mosley and out pointed or koed by Dela Hoya. Kt was a was a unknown pretty much in 1997 and Mosley went to fight Oscar for his biggest pay day ever. I just saying i think if Kt moved to WW he would have a better resume then he does now. I mean come on all the names were at welterweight and if he would of moved up he would of had a chance to have some hofs on his resume.

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Kt would get wrecked by Mosley and out pointed or koed by Dela Hoya. Kt was a was a unknown pretty much in 1997 and Mosley went to fight Oscar for his biggest pay day ever. I just saying i think if Kt moved to WW he would have a better resume then he does now. I mean come on all the names were at welterweight and if he would of moved up he would of had a chance to have some hofs on his resume.

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Not in 1999 he wouldn't have. Duran stayed at Lightweight for an entire decade, he had one super fight with Leonard and won in 1980, it was all down hill from there. Being in one division does not get you dismissed as an ATG, in fact if anything KT has reinforced his position by cementing his place in the top 3 Jr Welters of All time. I think people have had their judgement clouded by the success of Paquaio and Mayweather who have achieved great results in many divisions. Mosley's best efforts were at Lightweight and one great fight against DLH at WW, other than that his past 10 years are very, very ordinary. I would say his decision to move back and forth in divisions has backfired. Moving up divisions doesn't neccessarily make you a greater fighter, remember that Tsyzu was also 23 yrs old when he turned pro and that's a late start. He was a champion for almost 10 years, he unified the division, what more can you do? If people are going to judge him on his last fight with Hatton then do the same to Mosley, Jones jr, DLH, all of whom ended up a shadow of their former selves and why? Because they fucked around with their weight in search of the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. At least Fatton has had the good sense to finish and not be embarrassed by losing to some club fighter in the UK somewhere.

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Mosley at age 36 to 40 had that record and look who he fought during that period. Kt lost to fucking VP and never avenged it so kinda has a mark on his career and then to Hatton and then quiet at 36. He beat Oscars left overs JCC and then his best wins are Judah and Mitchell i mean not that impressive. I mean he has beat no Atgs anywhere near there prime or even Hofs. He was in a weak division and never moved up to change that he is far step below a Mosely or Dela Hoya and far from a atg.

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The greatest ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about.

The rematch was going to happen, but Millet KO'd Phillips and Tszyu went onto fight Miguel Angel Gonzalez. Weak division? In 2001 the Jr Welter division was often recognised as the most exciting and best division in boxing. DLH still could've fought Tszyu in 97, instead he went for an ageing Whitaker, Mosley avoided him completely by leap frogging straight up to 147lb!
I doubt very much if anyone would not place Tszyu in their top 3 Jr Welters of all time, if they don't please refer to opening statement above.

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It's worth noting that Kostya brought a lot of excitement/entertainment to boxing, and I don't think there's any doubt that he was an elite level fighter or that he belongs in the BHOF. If some some have a different opinion, that's their right, just saying why beat a dead horse, Tszyu is in the BHOF now, so get over yourself.

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Kt would get wrecked by Mosley and out pointed or koed by Dela Hoya. Kt was a was a unknown pretty much in 1997 and Mosley went to fight Oscar for his biggest pay day ever. I just saying i think if Kt moved to WW he would have a better resume then he does now. I mean come on all the names were at welterweight and if he would of moved up he would of had a chance to have some hofs on his resume.

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He could of stepped up to wweight easily, his team were masters at weight stripping he walked around normally huge, so he could of been there if he wanted to.

But like they say, why trade in a bike thats getting you over the line first every time?

Good point Andre i have no problem with Kt being in hof i just saying his resume is kinda weak. He could of moved up in weight and fought Trinadad, Mosley, or Dela Hoya just never did it.

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Good point Andre i have no problem with Kt being in hof i just saying his resume is kinda weak. He could of moved up in weight and fought Trinadad, Mosley, or Dela Hoya just never did it.

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In fairness same goes the other way too many didnt want any part of him at his chosen weight either.

Well to be fair i would say they were the stars they did not need him like he needed them. I mean look at Mosley, Dela Hoya and Trinadads resumes they did not need him they will go down as atgs i not sure kt will. I mean Evander Holyfeild could of been CW champ for ten years no one would of given shit because the real prize was the weight class above him thats were the glory lied and he took it.

Yep its a reflection on how easy the heavyweights are to watch and the big hits that go off and so on down the line, as soon as you get underneath Welter the general population of the world dont know any of the champs. Even Lopez will suffer it outside his own country.
Anyway HOF is a crock its just a building and a tag the real HOF is in the hearts and minds of real fans.

To be honest andre its hard for me to watch anything under 126 just not really in to it at all. My favorite division was heavyweight which is why it pains me a tad that US can't get its shit together and produce a champ. People say Heavies are less talented but that is the weight class people want to watch and if the lower weights were as big as the heavies i am sure that there skill set would be a hell of a lot different as well.