Division changing fights you were wishing for, but never eventuated.

One of mine was JMM to fight Hamed at 126,

Right in hamheads prime and as Jmm was climbing through the tops of the featherweight ranks.

I thought it may of eventuated. I think Juan would have stood up to him after being knocked down simular to Pac and worked him out like Barrera eventually did , but easier. It would of changed the shift and Morrales and Barrera may have wanted him in for a unification chance later the next year or so once they got into that weight.

I was also hopeful JMM may have eventually fought Istvan Kovacs, but instead Chargon took that title off him. (I think on styles both being fast astute boxers) it could of been an amazing chess match of fast moves Foty or maybe they were too similar and it would of been a head to head clash :-\.

Still think Juan would of knocked him out though.

Result: Moralles ,Barrera and JMM eventually in a triology in their prime.


So which fights were you praying for that never happened that would have changed history in a prime weight division?

I think any fight between Marquez, Barrera, Morales, Hamed and Pacquiao that never happened. That would've rivaled the four horsemen's fights with each other.

Off the top of my head

De La Hoya vs Forrest
Mosley vs Trinidad
Pacquiao vs Hamed
Morales vs Marquez/Hamed

i thought hamed was a pile of camel's dung stacked up to a certain height, in the sun for a while and starting to dry and crack.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

i thought hamed was a pile of camel's dung stacked up to a certain height, in the sun for a while and starting to dry and crack.

---

Yeah he would have made a nice stepping stone.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Andre

One of mine was JMM to fight Hamed at 126,

Right in hamheads prime and as Jmm was climbing through the tops of the featherweight ranks.

I thought it may of eventuated. I think Juan would have stood up to him after being knocked down simular to Pac and worked him out like Barrera eventually did , but easier. It would of changed the shift and Morrales and Barrera may have wanted him in for a unification chance later the next year or so once they got into that weight.

I was also hopeful JMM may have eventually fought Istvan Kovacs, but instead Chargon took that title off him. (I think on styles both being fast astute boxers) it could of been an amazing chess match of fast moves Foty or maybe they were too similar and it would of been a head to head clash :-\.

Still think Juan would of knocked him out though.

Result: Moralles ,Barrera and JMM eventually in a triology in their prime.


So which fights were you praying for that never happened that would have changed history in a prime weight division?

---

I wished it would of happened too. Everybody did. Except Hamed that is. You can't blame Marquez. He sat and waited as the mandatory number 1 spot for 2 years. Hamed kept saying he was next. But always kept facing someone else. After Hamed decided that Vuyani Bungu (who had never once fought as a Featherweight before) was more worthy, he knew the fight would never happened. Hamed tried to save face with a bullshit offer afterwards, but everybody but the Hamed groupies knew the real deal. Hamed wanted nothing of Marquez. Shameful behavior.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Andre

One of mine was JMM to fight Hamed at 126,

Right in hamheads prime and as Jmm was climbing through the tops of the featherweight ranks.

I thought it may of eventuated. I think Juan would have stood up to him after being knocked down simular to Pac and worked him out like Barrera eventually did , but easier. It would of changed the shift and Morrales and Barrera may have wanted him in for a unification chance later the next year or so once they got into that weight.

I was also hopeful JMM may have eventually fought Istvan Kovacs, but instead Chargon took that title off him. (I think on styles both being fast astute boxers) it could of been an amazing chess match of fast moves Foty or maybe they were too similar and it would of been a head to head clash :-\.

Still think Juan would of knocked him out though.

Result: Moralles ,Barrera and JMM eventually in a triology in their prime.


So which fights were you praying for that never happened that would have changed history in a prime weight division?

---

I wished it would of happened too. Everybody did. Except Hamed that is. You can't blame Marquez. He sat and waited as the mandatory number 1 spot for 2 years. Hamed kept saying he was next. But always kept facing someone else. After Hamed decided that Vuyani Bungu (who had never once fought as a Featherweight before) was more worthy, he knew the fight would never happened. Hamed tried to save face with a bullshit offer afterwards, but everybody but the Hamed groupies knew the real deal. Hamed wanted nothing of Marquez. Shameful behavior.

---

Lets stick to the facts -

1. Marquez was offered a career high payday to fight Naz. Fact.
2. Marquez turned it down. Fact.
3. Marquez is on record admitting this. Fact.

Now, tell me, am I lying?

I also wish Floyd hadnt lept over 140.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fenster

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Andre

One of mine was JMM to fight Hamed at 126,

Right in hamheads prime and as Jmm was climbing through the tops of the featherweight ranks.

I thought it may of eventuated. I think Juan would have stood up to him after being knocked down simular to Pac and worked him out like Barrera eventually did , but easier. It would of changed the shift and Morrales and Barrera may have wanted him in for a unification chance later the next year or so once they got into that weight.

I was also hopeful JMM may have eventually fought Istvan Kovacs, but instead Chargon took that title off him. (I think on styles both being fast astute boxers) it could of been an amazing chess match of fast moves Foty or maybe they were too similar and it would of been a head to head clash :-\.

Still think Juan would of knocked him out though.

Result: Moralles ,Barrera and JMM eventually in a triology in their prime.


So which fights were you praying for that never happened that would have changed history in a prime weight division?

---

I wished it would of happened too. Everybody did. Except Hamed that is. You can't blame Marquez. He sat and waited as the mandatory number 1 spot for 2 years. Hamed kept saying he was next. But always kept facing someone else. After Hamed decided that Vuyani Bungu (who had never once fought as a Featherweight before) was more worthy, he knew the fight would never happened. Hamed tried to save face with a bullshit offer afterwards, but everybody but the Hamed groupies knew the real deal. Hamed wanted nothing of Marquez. Shameful behavior.

---

Lets stick to the facts -

1. Marquez was offered a career high payday to fight Naz. Fact.
2. Marquez turned it down. Fact.
3. Marquez is on record admitting this. Fact.

Now, tell me, am I lying?

---

Plus.... When Hamed was in his prime JMM had fought 1 decent oppontent (Norwood) and lost. So why did he deserve a shot and why would he have been more feared (at that point) than Vasquez, McCullough, Buyungu etc)

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

i thought hamed was a pile of camel's dung stacked up to a certain height, in the sun for a while and starting to dry and crack.

---

Yes! That's why is was the bookies favourite on both sides of the atlantic to beat a prime MAB :rolleyes:

And I wish Kostya and the Viper Vernon Forrest had fought again but in the pro's, around 95.

The 140 story didn't quite pan out as it should; Floyd, Ricky, Miguel, Kostya, Zab, Auturo... Moving onto Manny, Amir, Devon & Tim... A lot of names, not too many actual match ups... Since 2003! :(

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BIG H

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fenster

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Andre

One of mine was JMM to fight Hamed at 126,

Right in hamheads prime and as Jmm was climbing through the tops of the featherweight ranks.

I thought it may of eventuated. I think Juan would have stood up to him after being knocked down simular to Pac and worked him out like Barrera eventually did , but easier. It would of changed the shift and Morrales and Barrera may have wanted him in for a unification chance later the next year or so once they got into that weight.

I was also hopeful JMM may have eventually fought Istvan Kovacs, but instead Chargon took that title off him. (I think on styles both being fast astute boxers) it could of been an amazing chess match of fast moves Foty or maybe they were too similar and it would of been a head to head clash :-\.

Still think Juan would of knocked him out though.

Result: Moralles ,Barrera and JMM eventually in a triology in their prime.


So which fights were you praying for that never happened that would have changed history in a prime weight division?

---

I wished it would of happened too. Everybody did. Except Hamed that is. You can't blame Marquez. He sat and waited as the mandatory number 1 spot for 2 years. Hamed kept saying he was next. But always kept facing someone else. After Hamed decided that Vuyani Bungu (who had never once fought as a Featherweight before) was more worthy, he knew the fight would never happened. Hamed tried to save face with a bullshit offer afterwards, but everybody but the Hamed groupies knew the real deal. Hamed wanted nothing of Marquez. Shameful behavior.

---

Lets stick to the facts -

1. Marquez was offered a career high payday to fight Naz. Fact.
2. Marquez turned it down. Fact.
3. Marquez is on record admitting this. Fact.

Now, tell me, am I lying?

---

Plus.... When Hamed was in his prime JMM had fought 1 decent oppontent (Norwood) and lost. So why did he deserve a shot and why would he have been more feared (at that point) than Vasquez, McCullough, Buyungu etc)

---

Don't be silly Big H. You don't know boxing.

The no.1 WBO contender, that no TV network on earth is interested in, and a man that has FAILED in his first attempt in world-class, is far more important than the lineal featherweight champion and proven "world" title winners.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Andre

I also wish Floyd hadnt lept over 140.

---

So he could fight your boy Tzsyu.

I would have liked to see Cotto v Hatton v Floyd at 140lb too like jim said.

Cotto/Hatton straight after Tszyu may have been a decent fight if ricky had kept up the momentum.

Tszyu /Floyd would have been good in their younger years Tszyu may have actually boxed more.

Dont think either of these fights would have been quite as equal at any other time though. I imagine Floyd and Tszyu could have its moments with alot of holding between and HAtton had to be right on the top of his game and someone had to fight his fight.

Tyson v Holyfield 89
Tyson v Bowe v Lewis early 1990's

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fenster

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BIG H

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fenster

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Andre

One of mine was JMM to fight Hamed at 126,

Right in hamheads prime and as Jmm was climbing through the tops of the featherweight ranks.

I thought it may of eventuated. I think Juan would have stood up to him after being knocked down simular to Pac and worked him out like Barrera eventually did , but easier. It would of changed the shift and Morrales and Barrera may have wanted him in for a unification chance later the next year or so once they got into that weight.

I was also hopeful JMM may have eventually fought Istvan Kovacs, but instead Chargon took that title off him. (I think on styles both being fast astute boxers) it could of been an amazing chess match of fast moves Foty or maybe they were too similar and it would of been a head to head clash :-\.

Still think Juan would of knocked him out though.

Result: Moralles ,Barrera and JMM eventually in a triology in their prime.


So which fights were you praying for that never happened that would have changed history in a prime weight division?

---

I wished it would of happened too. Everybody did. Except Hamed that is. You can't blame Marquez. He sat and waited as the mandatory number 1 spot for 2 years. Hamed kept saying he was next. But always kept facing someone else. After Hamed decided that Vuyani Bungu (who had never once fought as a Featherweight before) was more worthy, he knew the fight would never happened. Hamed tried to save face with a bullshit offer afterwards, but everybody but the Hamed groupies knew the real deal. Hamed wanted nothing of Marquez. Shameful behavior.

---

Lets stick to the facts -

1. Marquez was offered a career high payday to fight Naz. Fact.
2. Marquez turned it down. Fact.
3. Marquez is on record admitting this. Fact.

Now, tell me, am I lying?

---

Plus.... When Hamed was in his prime JMM had fought 1 decent oppontent (Norwood) and lost. So why did he deserve a shot and why would he have been more feared (at that point) than Vasquez, McCullough, Buyungu etc)

---

Don't be silly Big H. You don't know boxing.

The no.1 WBO contender, that no TV network on earth is interested in, and a man that has FAILED in his first attempt in world-class, is far more important than the lineal featherweight champion and proven "world" title winners.

---

What ever happened in between for what ever reasons I still think at that stage Juan had the chin to survive and the skills to do more than Mab.

Well never know, if he bought into Nassems persona and taunts and got at all frustrated and didnt stick to boxing he could of been sparked too.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fenster

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Andre

One of mine was JMM to fight Hamed at 126,

Right in hamheads prime and as Jmm was climbing through the tops of the featherweight ranks.

I thought it may of eventuated. I think Juan would have stood up to him after being knocked down simular to Pac and worked him out like Barrera eventually did , but easier. It would of changed the shift and Morrales and Barrera may have wanted him in for a unification chance later the next year or so once they got into that weight.

I was also hopeful JMM may have eventually fought Istvan Kovacs, but instead Chargon took that title off him. (I think on styles both being fast astute boxers) it could of been an amazing chess match of fast moves Foty or maybe they were too similar and it would of been a head to head clash :-\.

Still think Juan would of knocked him out though.

Result: Moralles ,Barrera and JMM eventually in a triology in their prime.


So which fights were you praying for that never happened that would have changed history in a prime weight division?

---

I wished it would of happened too. Everybody did. Except Hamed that is. You can't blame Marquez. He sat and waited as the mandatory number 1 spot for 2 years. Hamed kept saying he was next. But always kept facing someone else. After Hamed decided that Vuyani Bungu (who had never once fought as a Featherweight before) was more worthy, he knew the fight would never happened. Hamed tried to save face with a bullshit offer afterwards, but everybody but the Hamed groupies knew the real deal. Hamed wanted nothing of Marquez. Shameful behavior.

---

Lets stick to the facts -

1. Marquez was offered a career high payday to fight Naz. Fact.
2. Marquez turned it down. Fact.
3. Marquez is on record admitting this. Fact.

Now, tell me, am I lying?

---

4. Marquez was his mandatory for over 2 years. Fact
5. Hamed 3 times asked the WBO for permission to bypass his mandatory (Marquez) Fact

I know I ain't lying. Fact

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by BIG H

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Fenster

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Andre

One of mine was JMM to fight Hamed at 126,

Right in hamheads prime and as Jmm was climbing through the tops of the featherweight ranks.

I thought it may of eventuated. I think Juan would have stood up to him after being knocked down simular to Pac and worked him out like Barrera eventually did , but easier. It would of changed the shift and Morrales and Barrera may have wanted him in for a unification chance later the next year or so once they got into that weight.

I was also hopeful JMM may have eventually fought Istvan Kovacs, but instead Chargon took that title off him. (I think on styles both being fast astute boxers) it could of been an amazing chess match of fast moves Foty or maybe they were too similar and it would of been a head to head clash :-\.

Still think Juan would of knocked him out though.

Result: Moralles ,Barrera and JMM eventually in a triology in their prime.


So which fights were you praying for that never happened that would have changed history in a prime weight division?

---

I wished it would of happened too. Everybody did. Except Hamed that is. You can't blame Marquez. He sat and waited as the mandatory number 1 spot for 2 years. Hamed kept saying he was next. But always kept facing someone else. After Hamed decided that Vuyani Bungu (who had never once fought as a Featherweight before) was more worthy, he knew the fight would never happened. Hamed tried to save face with a bullshit offer afterwards, but everybody but the Hamed groupies knew the real deal. Hamed wanted nothing of Marquez. Shameful behavior.

---

Lets stick to the facts -

1. Marquez was offered a career high payday to fight Naz. Fact.
2. Marquez turned it down. Fact.
3. Marquez is on record admitting this. Fact.

Now, tell me, am I lying?

---

Plus.... When Hamed was in his prime JMM had fought 1 decent oppontent (Norwood) and lost. So why did he deserve a shot and why would he have been more feared (at that point) than Vasquez, McCullough, Buyungu etc)

---

See post above. Mandatory is mandatory

Terry Norris v Oscar Dela Hoya

During WWII the list is so long it isn't funny.

Bivins v Louis
Bivins v. Lesnevich (for the title)
Moore v Zale
Burely v Zale
LaMotta v Moore
LaMotta v Chase
Ezzard v Lesnevich

More recently at 168
Jones v Calzaghe (when it would have matterred)
Jones v Liles
Jones v Benn
Calzaghe v Ottke
Calzaghe v Liles

And I just can't let go of the names Floyd could have fought, Casamyor and Freitas at 130 or 135, Johnston and Spadafora at 135, Kostya and Hatton at 140, Margarito, Shane (when it would have matterred), Cotto at 147.

How about if we had ever gotten the best 115's of say 1988-1990 together?
Galaxy v Roman
Galaxy v Tapia
Tapia v Roman

DLH V Tszyu 1996
Mosley V Tszyu 1999