Leon Spinks
Buster Douglas
.......please feel free to list who comes to mind. These 2 come to my mind immediately.
Oliver McCall? Hasim Rahman?
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Leon Spinks
Buster Douglas
.......please feel free to list who comes to mind. These 2 come to my mind immediately.
Oliver McCall? Hasim Rahman?
Was Ingemaar Johanssen a 1-Hit Wonder? In a way, I think.
Carlos Baldomir was a bit of a one hit wonder. Well, he beat Gatti too, so maybe a 2 hit wonder, but Gatti was well on the slide by then.
I don't know....even though he was a pretty good amateur of whom people had high expectations I would venture to say Vince Phillips????????? Not sure though, I think he beat Mickey Ward also. Could be wrong but too lazy for research on the smartphone.
Jim "Chesney Hawk" Braddock
yeah but Vivian Harris was a bit of a 1-hit wonder as well, so 2 one-hitters cancel each other out. Harris smoked Doibylis or some nancy like that, it was odd but it was his 1-hit Wondership coming home to roost. After that, wow, Victor Ortiz smoked him with a series of hooks to the liver in ONE ROUND.
In a way, Sonny Liston could be considered a 1 hit wonder, he won the HW title from Floyd Patterson, defended it against Patterson 10 months later, then lost the HW title to Ali 6 months later.
You can defend Liston and say he beat some good fighters, but Ali & Patterson were his trip to the elite level and he lost twice to Ali.
Kirkland Laing
Rubin Carter
Chucho Castillo
Billy Backus
Montell Griffin (I know it was a DQ but still)
Randy Turpin
David Reid? :-\
REALLY disagree with both Castillo and Turpin. Chucho beat a whole series of ranked bantams in Pinto, Medel, Caraballo, Nakane, Pimintel and of course Ruben Olivares. He was a heck of a fighter in the very best era of bantams there has ever been.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Turpin didn't have as many good wins but Tommy Yarosz was no joke and neither were Cockell or Humez or Buxton. Turpin also earns points for giving Robinson absolute hell is the rematch before getting KO'd.
Does Frankie Randall belong on this list?
Buster Douglass. Zahir Raheem.
and jut to get a rise out of cutmemick
Duran....
Manny Pacquiao. The only fighter that he beat and in his prime was Barerra.
Michael Bentt
Known for two things, clattering Tommy Morrison and rolling around in a puddle on a rooftop with Herbie Hide.
Nope. Especially considering he was well on his way to duplicating his 'one hit' before Chavez hopped out the fire exit and slid down the ladder when given the opportunity in rematch. Randall won that fight but he lost the politics. The guy won the belt thrice when frankly he should not have "lost" it twice. He had solid boxing punching skill set, sat amongst the p4p 10 and had solid comp in Pendleton, Rosario, Fuentes, Ramos early through some serious screw jobs put to him, yes including his demons and a stint in jail in 89. His implosion with Ramos still baffles but thats boxing 101. He became obsessed with getting Chavez back in the ring for 3rd fight right away but frankly JCC and King couldn't wait for him to go away. He relapsed after domination of solid Champion Coggi and late in career was out of weight, out of senses and eventually out of time. When I think one hit wonders I think flukes or lucky shots. For me Randall put on one of the most disciplined executions of a game plan and break down of a legend ever seen. He should have been much longer lasting but he wasn't a fluke.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
who is zaheer rahman?
[rolling eyes]Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
I agree Randall wasn't a fluke. But I can't think of another really meaningful win. Rosario was 137 years old, I never thought much of Coggi (but that's on me), the Pendleton win was way before Freddie grew up in the ring etc. Randall is olne of those guys who always seemed to me like he should be more...but never quite was.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliNope. Especially considering he was well on his way to duplicating his 'one hit' before Chavez hopped out the fire exit and slid down the ladder when given the opportunity in rematch. Randall won that fight but he lost the politics. The guy won the belt thrice when frankly he should not have "lost" it twice. He had solid boxing punching skill set, sat amongst the p4p 10 and had solid comp in Pendleton, Rosario, Fuentes, Ramos early through some serious screw jobs put to him, yes including his demons and a stint in jail in 89. His implosion with Ramos still baffles but thats boxing 101. He became obsessed with getting Chavez back in the ring for 3rd fight right away but frankly JCC and King couldn't wait for him to go away. He relapsed after domination of solid Champion Coggi and late in career was out of weight, out of senses and eventually out of time. When I think one hit wonders I think flukes or lucky shots. For me Randall put on one of the most disciplined executions of a game plan and break down of a legend ever seen. He should have been much longer lasting but he wasn't a fluke.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
Always thought of him and Johnny Tapia in that way.
Not just our of Mick. [banging head on desk]Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
I realize I am being played but I can't help myself!
Ken Buchanan
Esteban DeJesus (twice)
Ray Lampkin
Carlos Palomino
Ray Leonard
Pipino Cuevas
Davey Moore
Iran Barkley
[back to banging my head on desk] I hope my concussion pleases you!
He def sabotaged his chances with troubles as well as family deaths etc, killed some momentum. Story of Pendletons career early was facing quality names short notice etc. Better a hindsight win and close draw after Freddie destroyed Mayweather. Though just on record...Freddie will never get repsect his skill came to merit.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiI agree Randall wasn't a fluke. But I can't think of another really meaningful win. Rosario was 137 years old, I never thought much of Coggi (but that's on me), the Pendleton win was way before Freddie grew up in the ring etc. Randall is olne of those guys who always seemed to me like he should be more...but never quite was.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliNope. Especially considering he was well on his way to duplicating his 'one hit' before Chavez hopped out the fire exit and slid down the ladder when given the opportunity in rematch. Randall won that fight but he lost the politics. The guy won the belt thrice when frankly he should not have "lost" it twice. He had solid boxing punching skill set, sat amongst the p4p 10 and had solid comp in Pendleton, Rosario, Fuentes, Ramos early through some serious screw jobs put to him, yes including his demons and a stint in jail in 89. His implosion with Ramos still baffles but thats boxing 101. He became obsessed with getting Chavez back in the ring for 3rd fight right away but frankly JCC and King couldn't wait for him to go away. He relapsed after domination of solid Champion Coggi and late in career was out of weight, out of senses and eventually out of time. When I think one hit wonders I think flukes or lucky shots. For me Randall put on one of the most disciplined executions of a game plan and break down of a legend ever seen. He should have been much longer lasting but he wasn't a fluke.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
Always thought of him and Johnny Tapia in that way.
I thought he beat Rosario even 1st time around by 2 rounds in a war. Could really see skills shine with Randall popping, moving and bullying Rosario early and soaking up heavy leatherin 8th & 9th. Rosario had a title fight in the wings
also....he 'beat' Chavez in rematch ;D
Compare the names of Olivares and SRR vs the other names...Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiREALLY disagree with both Castillo and Turpin. Chucho beat a whole series of ranked bantams in Pinto, Medel, Caraballo, Nakane, Pimintel and of course Ruben Olivares. He was a heck of a fighter in the very best era of bantams there has ever been.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Turpin didn't have as many good wins but Tommy Yarosz was no joke and neither were Cockell or Humez or Buxton. Turpin also earns points for giving Robinson absolute hell is the rematch before getting KO'd.
For my likings they never matched those wins.
That makes them one hit wonders.
I agree with this certainly regarding Turpin, I don't know enough about Castillo. Turpin beat some real solid guys, but let's face it Robinson stands out so far on his resume because of who he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiREALLY disagree with both Castillo and Turpin. Chucho beat a whole series of ranked bantams in Pinto, Medel, Caraballo, Nakane, Pimintel and of course Ruben Olivares. He was a heck of a fighter in the very best era of bantams there has ever been.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Turpin didn't have as many good wins but Tommy Yarosz was no joke and neither were Cockell or Humez or Buxton. Turpin also earns points for giving Robinson absolute hell is the rematch before getting KO'd.
Liston is the worst suggestion on this list (apart from what I hope were jokes about Duran & Pacquiao). He fought just 2 opponents with sub .500 records his whole career & was beating up on experienced guys from his 6th fight. Avenged his first loss, which he fought with a broken jaw. Apart from Patterson, he beat some really credible guys in Summerlin, Cleveland Williams, Folley & Machen. He's much more than a 1 hit wonder, he just happened to get defined by his losses to probably the greatest HW of all time.
Aside from the obvious such as Rahman, Douglas & Raheem, I'd make an argument for Freddie Norwood & Sergio Mora.
Well, ok, but doesn't EVERYONE have a best win? I mean who the heck did you want Turpin to beat to match the Robinson win? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMickCompare the names of Olivares and SRR vs the other names...Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiREALLY disagree with both Castillo and Turpin. Chucho beat a whole series of ranked bantams in Pinto, Medel, Caraballo, Nakane, Pimintel and of course Ruben Olivares. He was a heck of a fighter in the very best era of bantams there has ever been.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Turpin didn't have as many good wins but Tommy Yarosz was no joke and neither were Cockell or Humez or Buxton. Turpin also earns points for giving Robinson absolute hell is the rematch before getting KO'd.
For my likings they never matched those wins.
That makes them one hit wonders.
1-hit wonders rule in that they will always be remembered for 1 single performance, proving ANYBODY can shock the world on a given night.
Dave Tiberi
Doug Jones
I dunno. He beat both Foster and Folley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manju
Michael Bent when he smoked Morrison.
Rocky Graziano ( a great warrior, he won the 2nd fight of 3 great battles with Zale but never successfully defended his title, being KO'd in 3 in the 3rd and deciding fight, somebody up there certainly did like him)
Ingemar Johannson (The hammer of Thor hit Patterson with thunder and lightning and that was it, he was a good fighter and might have given Ali trouble, but it was all too brief.)
Tom The Bomb Bethea (KO's Middleweight champ Nino Benvenuti in a non title match up who was 80-3-1 at the time, then promptly gets KO'd just 2 months later in a shot at the title)
Billy Backus (beat the great Jose Napoles on cuts then was easily disposed of in the rematch)
Leon Spinks (A lethargic Ali let Spinks win this one, no other explanation, see Holmes destroy Spinks and you see the class difference)
Buster Douglas (It's probably the number one of the lot)
Nice list. The only one I'd quibble with is Graziano. He drilled a series of good fighters in Freddie Cochrane twice, Billy Arnold, Bummy Davis, Marty Servo and Charlie Fusari. My gripe with Graziano is he was a middle whacking out welters in many cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
I agonised over Graziano, he is a favourite and IMO had what is known as the boxing spirit in him, but he did only win the one fight at the elite level, (granted the man of steel Tony Zale was a great Middleweight champion), his one match up with SRR saw him KO'd in 3. The thread does say One hit wonders and if not for that win against Zale Graziano's career and legacy takes a complete u turn and no one would remember him.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiNice list. The only one I'd quibble with is Graziano. He drilled a series of good fighters in Freddie Cochrane twice, Billy Arnold, Bummy Davis, Marty Servo and Charlie Fusari. My gripe with Graziano is he was a middle whacking out welters in many cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN
I'm glad we all do.
I'm gonna stick with Liston being a 1 hit wonder, like I said earlier in this thread, he won the HW title from Floyd Patterson, defended it against Patterson 10 months later, then lost the HW title to Ali 6 months later. His main claim to fame at the Championship level was his two 1st round destruction's of Patterson which made everyone believe he was fuckin' superman.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Was Liston a feared above average HW, and did he have a few nice wins besides Patterson? Sure, but what he was actually able to accomplish in ring wasn't really all that special, especially in title fights. Remember, Ali was far from being a "legend" when he fought Liston, he was a 22 year old kid with 19 pro fights and was something like a 7 -1 underdog before their first fight.
Liston is a good example. How about INgemaar Johanssen.
Ingemar Johansson, was pretty much a one hit wonder in the sense that like Liston, he beat 1 man for the HW crown, then never owned a title again. The Swede did have some serious power in that right hand (he called Thor) and he did own a 5th round KO over Henry Cooper in 1957, and a 1st round KO over Eddie Machen in 1958. This was before he fought Patterson the 1st time in 1959, and long before Ali fought both these guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
"Thor" in action. Ingemar Johansson - Tribute Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GxWE2EFMwY
Well, if he won twice, surely he would be a two hit wonder ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm gonna stick with Liston being a 1 hit wonder, like I said earlier in this thread, he won the HW title from Floyd Patterson, defended it against Patterson 10 months later, then lost the HW title to Ali 6 months later. His main claim to fame at the Championship level was his two 1st round destruction's of Patterson which made everyone believe he was fuckin' superman.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Was Liston a feared above average HW, and did he have a few nice wins besides Patterson? Sure, but what he was actually able to accomplish in ring wasn't really all that special, especially in title fights. Remember, Ali was far from being a "legend" when he fought Liston, he was a 22 year old kid with 19 pro fights and was something like a 7 -1 underdog before their first fight.
You've also got to remember that he beat the shit out guys like Folley & Machen who the Champ really wanted no piece of. It's like saying that Charley Burley wasn't great because he never fought at Championship level. Beating everyone available is all that a guy can do. He lost to Ali, but he was somewhere between 34 & 39 by that point. I see him as the Tyson of his day. Just with a much worse publicist.
Hey, it's all good, this topic is subjective, I just believe that Liston was a very good but over-hyped/overrated HW, and much of his fearsome reputation was based mainly on his 2 demolitions of Patterson, who was a blown up crusierweight with bad chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinWell, if he won twice, surely he would be a two hit wonder ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm gonna stick with Liston being a 1 hit wonder, like I said earlier in this thread, he won the HW title from Floyd Patterson, defended it against Patterson 10 months later, then lost the HW title to Ali 6 months later. His main claim to fame at the Championship level was his two 1st round destruction's of Patterson which made everyone believe he was fuckin' superman.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Was Liston a feared above average HW, and did he have a few nice wins besides Patterson? Sure, but what he was actually able to accomplish in ring wasn't really all that special, especially in title fights. Remember, Ali was far from being a "legend" when he fought Liston, he was a 22 year old kid with 19 pro fights and was something like a 7 -1 underdog before their first fight.
You've also got to remember that he beat the shit out guys like Folley & Machen who the Champ really wanted no piece of. It's like saying that Charley Burley wasn't great because he never fought at Championship level. Beating everyone available is all that a guy can do. He lost to Ali, but he was somewhere between 34 & 39 by that point. I see him as the Tyson of his day. Just with a much worse publicist.
As for the comparison to Tyson, perhaps Liston needed a better promoter/publicist, but I don't see it, Mike faced and defeated much better competition, and accomplished much more. Mikes reign of terror lasted for the better part of 10 years, Liston's began with Patterson and ended with Ali 2 years later.
Wait does this mean we're not accepting as gospel that Tyson suddenly grew old overnight just before the Douglas fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axHey, it's all good, this topic is subjective, I just believe that Liston was a very good but over-hyped/overrated HW, and much of his fearsome reputation was based mainly on his 2 demolitions of Patterson, who was a blown up crusierweight with bad chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinWell, if he won twice, surely he would be a two hit wonder ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm gonna stick with Liston being a 1 hit wonder, like I said earlier in this thread, he won the HW title from Floyd Patterson, defended it against Patterson 10 months later, then lost the HW title to Ali 6 months later. His main claim to fame at the Championship level was his two 1st round destruction's of Patterson which made everyone believe he was fuckin' superman.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Was Liston a feared above average HW, and did he have a few nice wins besides Patterson? Sure, but what he was actually able to accomplish in ring wasn't really all that special, especially in title fights. Remember, Ali was far from being a "legend" when he fought Liston, he was a 22 year old kid with 19 pro fights and was something like a 7 -1 underdog before their first fight.
You've also got to remember that he beat the shit out guys like Folley & Machen who the Champ really wanted no piece of. It's like saying that Charley Burley wasn't great because he never fought at Championship level. Beating everyone available is all that a guy can do. He lost to Ali, but he was somewhere between 34 & 39 by that point. I see him as the Tyson of his day. Just with a much worse publicist.
As for the comparison to Tyson, perhaps Liston needed a better promoter/publicist, but I don't see it, Mike faced and defeated much better competition, and accomplished much more. Mikes reign of terror lasted for the better part of 10 years, Liston's began with Patterson and ended with Ali 2 years later.
I think Liston was the Tyson of his day, but I do rate Tyson above him. That said, he has going for him a few things Tyson did not. He beat really tough guys on his way to the title shot & once there he beat a great prime HW. You also have to remember how old Liston was. Officially (according to boxrec) he was 32 when he faced Ali, but most believe that he was at least 3 or 4 years older than that. Bearing in mind his style & that it took him 9 years of fighting tough motherfuckers to get a title shot, he had far less ability to have longevity than even Tyson did.
Anyway we should stop before this becomes a Tyson thread. My feeling he is not a 1 hit wonder, at worst he is a 2 hit.
Kirkland Laing is best example of a 1 hit wonder I've seen. One great fight & then disappeared.
Man I dunno about that. Sonny was the #1 ranked challenger for three years or so before he got his title crack. Prior to beating Patterson he took out a whole series of ranked guys like Bethea and DeJohn and Nino Valdes and Eddie Machen and Harris and Zora Folley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axHey, it's all good, this topic is subjective, I just believe that Liston was a very good but over-hyped/overrated HW, and much of his fearsome reputation was based mainly on his 2 demolitions of Patterson, who was a blown up crusierweight with bad chin.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinWell, if he won twice, surely he would be a two hit wonder ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI'm gonna stick with Liston being a 1 hit wonder, like I said earlier in this thread, he won the HW title from Floyd Patterson, defended it against Patterson 10 months later, then lost the HW title to Ali 6 months later. His main claim to fame at the Championship level was his two 1st round destruction's of Patterson which made everyone believe he was fuckin' superman.Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
Was Liston a feared above average HW, and did he have a few nice wins besides Patterson? Sure, but what he was actually able to accomplish in ring wasn't really all that special, especially in title fights. Remember, Ali was far from being a "legend" when he fought Liston, he was a 22 year old kid with 19 pro fights and was something like a 7 -1 underdog before their first fight.
You've also got to remember that he beat the shit out guys like Folley & Machen who the Champ really wanted no piece of. It's like saying that Charley Burley wasn't great because he never fought at Championship level. Beating everyone available is all that a guy can do. He lost to Ali, but he was somewhere between 34 & 39 by that point. I see him as the Tyson of his day. Just with a much worse publicist.
As for the comparison to Tyson, perhaps Liston needed a better promoter/publicist, but I don't see it, Mike faced and defeated much better competition, and accomplished much more. Mikes reign of terror lasted for the better part of 10 years, Liston's began with Patterson and ended with Ali 2 years later.
Oh yes, Earnie Shavers didn't just have some strong beard, he had some one-punch-power too.
How about Tomas Molinares , cold coked Marlon Starling after the bell then , did nothing ?