If Buster Douglas had been counted OUT in the 8th.....?

Iron Mike would have still been undefeated, but here is the post-fight interview:

Merchant: Mike, I think everybody here wants to know what happened to you tonight. You came from way, WAY behind after absorbing a tremendous amount of punishment against a virtually unknown fighter. More punishment than you have probably absorbed in all of your previous fights put together. Please tell us what happened.

Tyson: {fill in the blanks here}

How would this have changed the course of boxing history, had Tyson been awarded the 8th round KO that he surely deserved?

Hopefully it would of been a wake up call for him. And he would re-dedicated himself to the sport.

"Damn. I almost lost to a scrub. Fuck that. This ain't gonna happen again. I need to make some changes. 75% of these niggaz gotta go. They ain't my homies. Half of them I don't even know there fucking names. No more fucking 30 different whores a week. I'm cutting that to 5. And no more 1 hour days at the gym. Back to 10 hours. Whoever beats me is gonna beat me at my best"

But with Tyson, who the fuck knows

If Douglas had been counted out and Tyson won? Tyson would have had his ass kicked by a prime Holyfield and then the Tyson dickriders would say that Holyfield beat up a past his prime Tyson.

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Unfortunately, it was the Tyson of "how they dare to fight me with the inferior skills"....He made a tremendous party just before the fight....he would have use this excuse ans say next time he won't party just before the fight.

But reality is that Tyson was not dedicated anymore to boxing, indeed, Holifield would have kicked his butt in the next fight. but, sometimes I also dream that Tyson would have trained again seriously (at 70% let's say) for holyfield and they would have offered us the greatest heavyweight boxing match ever.

Tyson vs Holifield in the 90's is the best bout we could have in the decade. picking winner or loser is just a detail

If your aunty had balls she'd be your uncle.

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If your aunty had balls she'd be your uncle.

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wow, so I guess you're under the erroneous assumption that your statement is somehow a syntactic and syllogistic parallel somehow intended to invalidate the hypothetical beauty of the OP? Why don't you make an intellectual attempt to soundly put a few sagacious sentences together and show the world how luminescent your frontal cortex is?

I agree with posters that said they think Tyson would have dedicated himself back in the gym, get rid of the ‘hanger ons’ and even take back Rooney which I doubt would have happened. Tyson was still good enough to have beaten Holyfield at that time, even if his skills were declining. I believe Tyson would have fought Holyfield next and they would have fought a brilliant fight with Tyson stopping Holyfield late in a barn burner of a fight. There would be a demand for a rematch and just before the fight Tyson rapes a girl and gets sentenced to 3 years in prison.

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

If Douglas had been counted out and Tyson won? Tyson would have had his ass kicked by a prime Holyfield and then the Tyson dickriders would say that Holyfield beat up a past his prime Tyson.

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....So nothing would change

Trying to predict Mike Tyson is like trying to predict how a drug-addled, paranoid schizophrenic would react to watching A Clockwork Orange. It could range from them weeping in a corner in the fetal position to grabbing an axe and decapitating everyone in the theater.

I don't see any evidence that Tyson was capable of growing up at that point. Hell the loss didn't make him do that, why would a win have done so?

Tyson would have been thrashed off Evander soon after anyway.

Like many have said got his ass kicked by a real champ in Evander Holyfeild but the past is past.

I dont think much would have changed. As long as King was at the helm, even if Mike thought it to be a good idea, hed never have gone back with Rooney and rededicated himself. I mean, even after being beaten, no one wanted to get Mike training right again. All King wanted to do was milk him while not having any one with sense or Mikes best interests at heart talking to him and possibly removing King from the picture.

If Mike did suddenly wise up, even after being beaten and went back to Catskills, with Rooney, Lott and Bill Cayton. Then we would have seen the best of Mike.

great posts dudes and dudettes and miscellaneous....I agree, its tough to predict the unpredictable Tyson. who knows maybe evnader would have LOST BOTH HIS EARS 5 YEARS EARLIER THAN 1996.

I dont think much would have changed, had he fought the same schedule of fights but the Tyson that fought Rudduck was still a machine, still had good stamina and didnt get discouraged easy. That Tyson, although with eroded skills would have had too much for Holyfield and almost every other heavy that cropped up over the next few years, save for Bowe and Lewis. Mike would need those illusive skills in those fights. When he was bobbing and weaving and hard to hit, it made fighters apprahensive of opening up, when he stopped moving they had a target to hit.

it is a crime though as from Douglas first hitting the canvas to being upright its 14.12 seconds

The greatest crime was WBC and Don king trying to keep the title after the fight. That was an absolute disgrace that they nearly reversed the decision. Corruption of the highest order.

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Originally Posted by Tysonbruno

it is a crime though as from Douglas first hitting the canvas to being upright its 14.12 seconds

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And Tyson being counted out was....

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by Tysonbruno

it is a crime though as from Douglas first hitting the canvas to being upright its 14.12 seconds

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And Tyson being counted out was....

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10 seconds which makes the ref incompetent by giving buster an unfair advantage. ;D

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui

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Originally Posted by Tysonbruno

it is a crime though as from Douglas first hitting the canvas to being upright its 14.12 seconds

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And Tyson being counted out was....

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10 seconds which makes the ref incompetent by giving buster an unfair advantage. ;D

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LOL! Well played sir!

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

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If your aunty had balls she'd be your uncle.

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wow, so I guess you're under the erroneous assumption that your statement is somehow a syntactic and syllogistic parallel somehow intended to invalidate the hypothetical beauty of the OP? Why don't you make an intellectual attempt to soundly put a few sagacious sentences together and show the world how luminescent your frontal cortex is?

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:chick07mj8:

Whats an OP ?

Other post?

Ordinary person?

If they are not two very big sophisticated words that us peasants have to Google you do realize its a Fail.

He takes it as a learning experience, fires corner, tells King to piss off, quits the nightlife, shuns the cameras and high proile scrambling, has a man to man with Rooney, finds his passion, and starts to throw combinations again :-X

Orrrr
It would have been called a sensational turn around KO by everyone, one for the books. He would have went ahead with fighting Holyfield even more convinced one shot power rules all, with same incompetent corner, and gotten tko'd....But hey,IF frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their asses when they hoped.

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

He takes it as a learning experience, fires corner, tells King to piss off, quits the nightlife, shuns the cameras and high proile scrambling, has a man to man with Rooney, finds his passion, and starts to throw combinations again :-X

Orrrr
It would have been called a sensational turn around KO by everyone, one for the books. He would have went ahead with fighting Holyfield even more convinced one shot power rules all, with same incompetent corner, and gotten tko'd....But hey,IF frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their asses when they hoped.

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:smilie_whisper:Careful with those analogies, there's a learn-nerd person around here ready to pounce.

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Originally Posted by Andre

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Originally Posted by Spicoli

He takes it as a learning experience, fires corner, tells King to piss off, quits the nightlife, shuns the cameras and high proile scrambling, has a man to man with Rooney, finds his passion, and starts to throw combinations again :-X

Orrrr
It would have been called a sensational turn around KO by everyone, one for the books. He would have went ahead with fighting Holyfield even more convinced one shot power rules all, with same incompetent corner, and gotten tko'd....But hey,IF frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their asses when they hoped.

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:smilie_whisper:Careful with those analogies, there's a learn-nerd person around here ready to pounce.

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Gimme 30 min with em >> :cwm28: ;D

Evander would have kayoed him maybe in 91.

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

Evander would have kayoed him maybe in 91.

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This would have been in 1990 and Tyson still had enough to take on and beat a smaller 205lb Holyfield, who only bulked up after the second fight with Bowe.

I don't think any version beats Holyfeild because he was to well rounded. I think Holyfield had his number and not to mention in prime Holyfield was pretty hard to beat.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by miron_lang

Evander would have kayoed him maybe in 91.

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This would have been in 1990 and Tyson still had enough to take on and beat a smaller 205lb Holyfield, who only bulked up after the second fight with Bowe.

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And a 235 pound Bowe still found it hard to beat a 205 pound Holyfield in their 1st fight. A 215-220 Tyson? I seriously doubt it makes a difference.

Even Cus D'amato boxers like Patterson and Torres said Holyfield just had his number and would whip Tyson at any point of their careers. But hey what would Cus D'amato champions know about boxing or Mike Tyson and his style?

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Originally Posted by generalbulldog

Even Cus D'amato boxers like Patterson and Torres said Holyfield just had his number and would whip Tyson at any point of their careers. But hey what would Cus D'amato champions know about boxing or Mike Tyson and his style?

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Hmm, if they did say that, they were either being polite not to look biased or they are jealous Mike had more success than they did.

They is no denying Tyson fought alot differently after 4 years out. Whos to say Ali wouldnt have beaten Frazier had their first fight been in the 60's?

Their fight was 10 years after Mike had wan a world title. Then throw in the 4 year absence. The Tyson that fought Rudduck would have walked through Holyfield as lesser fighters almost did.

In any of this, doesn't anyone give Buster Douglas any credit at all? After all, it wasn't Tyson that punched himself in the face and knocked himself out.

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OP=original post, duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :cool:

I don't think much would have changed.

The reason Tyson lost to Douglas in the first place was down to his attitude towards the sport and his very obvious lack of conditioning. By the time he fought Douglas he was already guaranteed all time great status, was the youngest champ of all time and had millions of dollars in the bank. In short, he couldn't be bothered anymore and enjoyed the celebrity status and money more than being a champion. He had done all he needed to do and fulfilled every ambition.

I remember him giving a typically bizarre interview after he became an ex champion and all he seemed interested in was telling the world that he earned more as an ex champ than he did at his undefeated peak. After the Douglas fight his entire career became a highly paid sideshow that was almost irrelevant to the rest of the heavyweight division. He kind of went in to exhibition mode. I certainly never sensed much desire on his part to win the belts back and he never again produced anything like the form he did in his prime.

Having said all that a 1990 Mike Tyson would still have had too much for Holyfield at that time. A close shave in the Douglas fight would probably have given him the kick in the arse he needed to see him get past Holyfield... just!

Once Tyson won all the titles, became a household name throughout the world and a multi millionaire it was obvious that his priorities had changed. The only occasion I really remember Tyson looking like he really meant business after losing to Douglas was when he fought Bruno for a second time to get the title back. I think he needed that following the rape conviction and time in jail just to prove something to himself and get his life back on track.

Tyson is and always will be emotionally damaged and mentally unbalanced. During his early career when he practically lived in the gym it kept him disciplined, but when he severed all ties with those who had been with him from the pre-title days it all began to fall apart. Once Mike began calling the shots, his notorious bad judgement and attitude problems were his own undoing.

It was always going to end that way.