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I find his comments very interesting,he maybe stating the obvious but if he believes haye has chance of knocking wlad out and hes trained the guy.....
Freddie Roach: David Haye will beat Wladimir Klitschko in heavyweight title fight if he uses his power early - Telegraph
Interesting views from Roach
Don't buy The Ring any more so son't know if they have done their "Haye v Klitschlko who will win ? Twenty experts have their say" article as yet. Presume they have.
If so can anyone share the stats on how many went for Haye ??
It was 17-3 in favour of Wlad. Seth Mitchell, Tris Dixon and and Kevin Johnson were the ones that picked HayeQuote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Since El Kabong asked, and as a way to shamelessly nudge up my post count, the 17 that picked Wlad were:
Brian Kenny
Bernard Fernandez
Tim Starks
Monte Barrett
Lem Satterfield
Bjorn Jensen
Crivelli Riccardo
Graham Maclean
David Griesman
Kieran Mulvaney
Steve Farhood
Tim Smith
Eddie Chambers
Thomas Dierenga
Al Bernstein
Vittorio Parisi
Genaro Hernandez (RIP)
I think pretty much every one of them picked him by KO.
Barrett's pick was interesting. He said although he thinks Wlad will win, if anyone can beat him it's Haye. He said Haye has deceptive power and punches just as hard as Wlad. He also said he's crafty and you never have a steady target which is something he wasn't prepared for, and that he has a good sense of measuring and manoeuvring his way into punching range.
He said the only way he sees Haye winning is if he puts Wlad into uncomfortable spaces, which is something he doesn't like, but he doesn't see Haye being able to do that. He did acknowledge that Wlad's a different beast to when he fought him, but it's interesting never the less.
Very interesting list, I'll have to rep you again when I can.
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Originally Posted by Cressa121
I agree with them :(
Two guns has had someone else write that for him ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Cressa121
You'll be telling me Hornfinger has started to make sense next.
im an expert and i pick haye
thats 17-4
I was shocked when I read Freddie's comments. Was Haye fighting the Wald of 6-7 years ago? This might be a different fight. But Wlad obviously isn't the same guy he was then. He is far, far better.
Maybe I'm missing something but this looks like an absolute slaughter to me. 13 stays on his feet only as long as he runs.
Roach did work with him a little bit, he may just have faith in the kid. Nothing wrong there. Roach had also worked a little with Wlad....I don't know if there's any bitterness on either side there but I'm sure Freddy has his reasons.
Regardless..you have to respect any opinion roach gives when it comes to boxing,he knows farrr more than any of us!Hes obviously seen weaknesses in wlad like we all have.but hes seen them close hand.....im convinced haye will hurt wlad at some point and for tht reason haye will win!!
Mentally, Vlad's the same fighter. A good jab and size advantage do a lot to inspire confidence, but do little to erase doubt. That's something that inside a fighter and hard to get out. Sometimes facing the thing they fear the most can cure them. So something like getting off the deck to beat Peter could be that spark for Vlad, but.. I don't think so. It's kind of easy to see inside of a fighter. They either reflect inward and look timid (like wvald / roy jones jr after the ko) or they act out (like judah/tyson) to convince themselves and psych their opponents into buying it.
The guys that act inward work in regular patterns because they believe deviating from it can be disastrous. It's a comfort zone like Roach says. Roach brakes down a fighter similarly to how I always looked at fighters... You look for bad habits. Things that can't be helped or controlled. It's not like a glass chin, but when and where you get to that glass chin. Something like bringing a jab back low, a fighter tapping his gloves together after getting hit, switching stance to keep his feet from getting crossed up when circling away from the power hand... or something mental. For some its doubt/fear... for others its anger (like when Tyson bit holyfield.. and evander lost focus and Tyson was actually doing better for a minute).. Usually these involuntary things are very hard to control and difficult to unlearn/ or correct in the prep time for a fight., which is why trainers comb tapes looking for these habits.
I can see what Freddy is talking about with Wvlad. You could always see it under the surface. In something like the Sanders fight, you could see how much the knock downs and not getting up were as much mental as physical. Wvlad's world was shook. Everything he knew about sports science and what he thought he knew about his body and his sport, went out the window... (like the first time someone gets drunk and does the spacewalk.. or gets into a fight and their bodies are shaking from the adrenalin and they might start hyper ventilating)... all of sudden, he wanted to be somewhere else.. anywhere else... Why would Freddy voice that publicly? not sure, but its not like some major secret that the man panics, when hes rocked.
That being said. I think some people are overlooking that fact that Haye (at least in my opinion) is susceptible to the same. Beating Valuev (especially because of his size) was confidence building. I think if klitchsko scores a decent knockdown of Haye, Hayes view of his own reality will be different also... in creeps doubt. It might be even more catastrophic for him because hes so high on himself. The doubter can get knocked down and tell himself he expected it. The braggart gets knocked down and becomes humble because he never expected it. Just my opinion of course..
J_Undisputed that makes perfect sense..great post!!To put it in a nutshell i just feel WHEN haye hurts wlad he will finish him there and then..he will of done to him what he said he would for years on end,wlad will fall apart!Haye has more heart..i agree if wlad lands clean with the RIGHT hand it could be goodnight..i do worry about hayes fitness,he has to hurt wlad early and he will!!
Haye will want Wlad out of there ASAP.
The longer it goes on, the more chance of Haye being on the wrong end of a right hand which would be game over.
I think the first round will start slow, but may just fire up in the last minute.
I doubt haye has more heart than wlad,(or vice versa) your confusing heart with chin. Even when wlad was being battered by sanders he kept getting up, granted he was doing the chicken dance all over the ring but the man refused to stay down.Quote:
Originally Posted by shamma
My opinion haye has more heart..when the going gets tough wlad is nowhere to be seen(he showed SOME heart in the samuel peter fight)he literally falls apart sometimes that is more mental than physical!The comment that freddie makes that wlad turned round and said "i wish i could fight"he can not fight granted he can box supremely well..but haye is a fighter/boxer and styles make fights!Wlad has never faced anything like haye before..and i can be sure as i can be about anything haye will hurt wlad before wlad will hurt haye,wlad wont throw the right hand until hes completley comfortable and that will be his downfall!...anyway cannot wait till 2nd july
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Originally Posted by arminI doubt haye has more heart than wlad,(or vice versa) your confusing heart with chin. Even when wlad was being battered by sanders he kept getting up, granted he was doing the chicken dance all over the ring but the man refused to stay down.Quote:
Originally Posted by shamma
i dont think so
half wlads problems with his chin are to do with his heart
he bottles it, maybe he bottle sit coz he knows he has a shit chin or maybe he has a shit chin because he bottles it
either way his heart is a big problem
In case anyones interested Freddie also picked Haye to absolutely destroy and knock out Valuev.
Need five posts so I can post a link.
Ok heres Freddie saying Haye would flatten Valuev because he has too much speed and power.
David Haye 'will flatten' Nikolai Valuev, says Freddie Roach - Telegraph
I dont take everything freddie roach sais as gospel..but having trained wlad he has a huge insight!regarding valuev it was never his gameplan to go out there and blow him away..he beat him comfortably despite being reported as breaking his hand in the 3rd..if he had of taken more risks he prob could of got rid of him..but its all ifs and buts
and he would had he not broken his right hand in the second roundQuote:
Originally Posted by DopeyKev
Was it illegal for him to throw a left hook?Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzzoand he would had he not broken his right hand in the second roundQuote:
Originally Posted by DopeyKev
Not easy when your opponent's shoulders are taller than your head.
For what it's worth I think the rumours of Haye coming in very light are true (does this definitely mean a BIG loss of power if any?) and the fight will start very much like Eubank v Thompson when Eubank ducked hit and dived impressively - until he got caught then the power and weight showed (if I remember right). ........or will Haye just try and blast him away - that could be a mistake as Vlad will get away with holding and draining. Can't wait!
or left upper cut, surely he could have knocked him out with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWas it illegal for him to throw a left hook?Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzzoand he would had he not broken his right hand in the second roundQuote:
Originally Posted by DopeyKev
I guess Haye is going to get KTFO earlier than I thought.
The guy is 7 feet tall and I guess no one thought to work the body :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44or left upper cut, surely he could have knocked him out with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWas it illegal for him to throw a left hook?Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzzoand he would had he not broken his right hand in the second roundQuote:
Originally Posted by DopeyKev
left hooks to the body followed by a left cross and a left hook, that should have done itQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongThe guy is 7 feet tall and I guess no one thought to work the body :vd:Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44or left upper cut, surely he could have knocked him out with thatQuote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWas it illegal for him to throw a left hook?Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzzoand he would had he not broken his right hand in the second roundQuote:
Originally Posted by DopeyKev
Haye threw the left hook in the last round and wobbled Valuev. That was the only time to chance that particular punch, just in case that he hurt that one too on the big ugly head of the Giant.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWas it illegal for him to throw a left hook?Quote:
Originally Posted by Muzzoand he would had he not broken his right hand in the second roundQuote:
Originally Posted by DopeyKev