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ESPN 20 Greatest KO's
Brian Kenny and Bert Sugar hosted “Who’s Number One” last night and the topic was the 20 Greatest KO’s in history. The list was Bert Sugar’s and his criteria was essentially fourfold:
The importance of the fight (which basically means championship fights), the drama (or ebb and flow), suddenness and there being video so they could show it. Here’s his list.
20) Floyd Patterson KO3 Ingemar Johansen-One left hook and Ingo’s foot is quivering.
19) Ray Mercer KO4 Tommy Morrison-Eight punches while the Duke is helpless
18) Bob Foster KO4 Dick Tiger-One swooping left hook and the Sheriff is champ.
17) Muhammad Ali TKO3 Cleveland Williams-The Ali peak
16) Jersey Joe Walcott K07 Ezzard Charles-Craft by subtraction
15) George Foreman TKO2 Joe Frazier-Down goes Frazier!
14) Joe Louis KO13 Billy Conn-Conn is champ…for twelve rounds.
13) Diego Corrales TKO10 Jose Luis Castillo-You’d better effin’ get inside!
12) Muhammad Ali KO8 George Foreman-Ali Bomaye!
11) Thomas Hearns KO2 Pipino Cuevas-A shotgun outdone by a howitzer.
10) Jack Johnson KO12 Stanley Ketchel-Give Stan his teeth back Jack.
9) George Foreman KO10 Michael Moorer-It happened!
8) Tony Zale KO3 Rocky Graziano-Right to the body, left to the jaw!
7) Buster Douglas KO10 Mike Tyson-42 to 1?
6) Carmen Basilio TKO12 Tony DeMarco-Sheer Brutality
5) Marvin Hagler KO3 Thomas Hearns-Destruct and Destroy
4) Sugar Ray Robinson KO5 Gene Fullmer-One punching Fulmer? Going backwards? At 35?
2) Joe Louis KO1 Max Schmeling-Good Lord.
1) Jack Demspey-Luis Firpo-Dempsey goes through the ropes
Now I think this is a pretty good list. But what’s the point of a post if one doesn’t disagree? I think one thing Sugar gets wrong is the quality of the guy getting KO’d. I don’t care how brutal it is, drilling Tommy Morrison, Cleveland Williams or even Pipino Cuevas is not that big a deal when one only has twenty slots! Using Bert’s criteria here is my list.
Here is my alternative list.
20) Jersey Joe Walcott KO7 Ezzard Charles-Joe had been feinting before the left hook all night. This time he just throws it!
19) Floyd Patterson KO3 Ingemar Johansen-The foot is still quivering
18) Michael Carbajal TKO7 Humberto Gonzales-The great fight of the little men. Carbajal gets off the floor twice.
17) Archie Moore KO11 Yvonne Durelle-The Mongoose gets off the floor four times, twice when he shouldn’t have to stop the Canadian.
16) Bob Foster KO4 Dick Tiger-Tiger hadn’t been stopped in 15 years and Foster almost killed him.
15) Julio Cesar Chavez TKO12 Meldrick Taylor-Taylor is two seconds from winning but his body is gone.
14) George Foreman KO2 Joe Frazier-Give Joe credit, he kept getting up.
13) Diego Corrales KO10 Jose Louis Castillo-Another comeback for the ages
12) Tommy Hearns KO2 Roberto Duran-How is it possible for Duran to be overmatched? Hearns descended like an avenging angel.
11) Marcel Cerdan TKO11 Tony Zale-One of the finest combinations in history finishes the Man of Steel.
10) Jack Johnson KO12 Stanley Ketchell-Hello? Teeth?
9) Joe Louis KO13 Billy Conn-I guess he couldn't hide, could he?
8) Aaron Pryor TKO14 Alexis Arguello-What time is it?
7) Sugar Ray Leonard TKO 13 Tommy Hearns-You’re blowing it son!
7) Ray Robinson KO5 Gene Fulmer-Yeah it is THAT good!
6) Buster Douglas KO10 Mike Tyson-Five great punches to finish it.
5) Muhammad Ali KO8 George Foreman-Ali cements his place in the pantheon
4) Sandy Saddler KO4 Willie Pep-NOBODY KO’s Willie Pep!
3) Rocky Marciano KO13 Jersey Joe Walcott-Is he dead?
2) Marvin Hagler KO3 Tommy Hearns-Man oh man.
1) Joe Louis KO1 Max Schmeling-probably the most important night in boxing history.
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I'm a little puzzled. Seventy plus views and no comments?
Not even a Bert Sugar sucks!
Heck, I'll settle for a Marbleheadmaui sucks!
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Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
I'm a little puzzled. Seventy plus views and no comments?
Not even a Bert Sugar sucks!
Heck, I'll settle for a Marbleheadmaui sucks!
Both lists pretty much contain all the ones that need to be there. Not trying to list the same fights again. But I will give you a couple that should be included
Hasim Rahman KO 5 Lennox Lewis- So Ocean 11 huh, Lewis?
Mike Tyson KO 1 Michael Spinks- No wonder Spinks was stalling
Donald Curry KO 2 Milton McCrory- I have yet to see a better left hook
Sonny Liston KO 1 Floyd Patterson- Patterson wasn't scared. He was fucking terrified
Max Schmeling TKO 12 Joe Louis- Right hands all damn night
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Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's
marble don't let the "no responses" discourage you...
It happens often with threads that make people think and or have to read a lot.
Go and create a thread with any of these titles and watch the magic work:
Naz vs. ______ <----- Insert any of these name's JMM, Morales, Pacquiao
Tyson vs. ______ <----- Insert any of these name's Ali, Wladdy, Vitaly
RJJ vs. _______ <----- Insert any ATG name from Middle to LHW.
these threads have been done to death but people tend to respond to them....
The way I see it when I create threads is a view is as good as comment.
Hey! at least people are taking the time to view and read your post.
As for the list... I'm gonna throw some out that I think are often overlooked.
I also think that bodyshots are vastly underrated. KO'ing someone while hitting them in the face good. KO'ing them with a shot to the body even better.
Gavilan vs. Cartier
Ruddock vs. Dokes
Toney vs. Williams
Ike vs. Jack 1
RJJ vs. Hill
MAB vs. Fana
Nunn vs. Sumbu
McCallum vs. Curry
Lewis vs. Rahman 2
Zapata vs. Nakajima
Benitez vs. Hope
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Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
marble don't let the "no responses" discourage you...
It happens often with threads that make people think and or have to read a lot.
Go and create a thread with any of these titles and watch the magic work:
Naz vs. ______ <----- Insert any of these name's JMM, Morales, Pacquiao
Tyson vs. ______ <----- Insert any of these name's Ali, Wladdy, Vitaly
RJJ vs. _______ <----- Insert any ATG name from Middle to LHW.
these threads have been done to death but people tend to respond to them....
The way I see it when I create threads is a view is as good as comment.
Hey! at least people are taking the time to view and read your post.
As for the list... I'm gonna throw some out that I think are often overlooked.
I also think that bodyshots are vastly underrated. KO'ing someone while hitting them in the face good. KO'ing them with a shot to the body even better.
Gavilan vs. Cartier
Ruddock vs. Dokes
Toney vs. Williams
Ike vs. Jack 1
RJJ vs. Hill
MAB vs. Fana
Nunn vs. Sumbu
McCallum vs. Curry
Lewis vs. Rahman 2
Zapata vs. Nakajima
Benitez vs. Hope
It's actually a good thing some fools don't post a list. All you see is 20 Manny Pacquiao fights listed
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I'd have Tyson vs Spinks on there.
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
marble don't let the "no responses" discourage you...
It happens often with threads that make people think and or have to read a lot.
Go and create a thread with any of these titles and watch the magic work:
Naz vs. ______ <----- Insert any of these name's JMM, Morales, Pacquiao
Tyson vs. ______ <----- Insert any of these name's Ali, Wladdy, Vitaly
RJJ vs. _______ <----- Insert any ATG name from Middle to LHW.
these threads have been done to death but people tend to respond to them....
The way I see it when I create threads is a view is as good as comment.
Hey! at least people are taking the time to view and read your post.
As for the list... I'm gonna throw some out that I think are often overlooked.
also think that bodyshots are vastly underrated. KO'ing someone while hitting them in the face good. KO'ing them with a shot to the body even better.
Gavilan vs. Cartier
Ruddock vs. Dokes
Toney vs. Williams
Ike vs. Jack 1
RJJ vs. Hill
MAB vs. Fana
Nunn vs. Sumbu
McCallum vs. Curry
Lewis vs. Rahman 2
Zapata vs. Nakajima
Benitez vs. Hope
It's actually a good thing some fools don't post a list. All you see is 20 Manny Pacquiao fights listed
Ahh how true.... And the body shot KO really tends to show the true pain a fighter feels. I must admit my statistical knowledge isn't massively broad but love learning more where i can and this post about body shots
did get me tapping away on my keyboard.... Although plagurised this is a list from back in 2007 by ESPN journo of the top 10 bodyshot KOs:
10) Jorge Barrios v Janos Nagy
9) Glenn McCory v Jeff Lampkin
8) Diobelys Hurtado v Randall Bailey
7) Roy Jones Jr v Virgill Hill
6) Ricky Hatton v Jose Luis Castillo
5) Arturo Gatti v Leo Dorin
4) Gerry Penalosa v Jhonny Gonzalez
3) Jorge Arce v Tomas Rojas
2) Mickey Ward v Alfonso Sanchez
1) Oscar De La Hoya v Bernard Hopkins
Again, not my list but an interesting read. I wouldn't claim to it either but a good thread that got my attention.
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The MAB v Fana one was hilarious. The look his face when the 1st punch landed.
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These may not quite cut it but........
Roy Jones vs Antonio Tarver 2- The legend of invincibility dies hard.
Bernard Hopkins vs Trinidad- Hello world, my name is Bernard Hopkins and I'm pretty good at this fighting thing.
Naseem Hamed vs Kevin Kelley- one of the most polarizing figures in boxing becomes an international star.
Manny Pacquiao vs Erik Morales 2- Manny sends a message for any doubters still out there.........ummmmm yeah, I am the real deal.
Barrera vs McKinney- Is Barrera for real? Kennedy McKinney would tell you YES! Classic battle
RJJ vs Griffin 2- We talk tonight Larry.....Pensacola talks tonight! Griffin shouldn't have pissed Roy off...nuff said.
David Haye vs Audley Harrison- 2 legendary......naaaaaah, I'm just playing! Hahahaha
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Julian Jackson, on the verge of defeat, one-punching Herol Graham unconcious, leaving him with loose teeth in his gumshield deserves to make any list.
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Curry v McCrory was a perfect left hook ,
how about Mike McCallum v Don Curry for a left hook.
Hearns V Duran.
Barkley v Hearns was a big ko.
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Julian Jackson, on the verge of defeat, one-punching Herol Graham unconcious, leaving him with loose teeth in his gumshield deserves to make any list.
I am ashamed of myself for forgetting this one. This is one of my favorite KO's ever, good call. Talk about suddeness
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Originally Posted by
chinchekked
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Julian Jackson, on the verge of defeat, one-punching Herol Graham unconcious, leaving him with loose teeth in his gumshield deserves to make any list.
I am ashamed of myself for forgetting this one. This is one of my favorite KO's ever, good call. Talk about suddeness
I think the British commentary added to it's greatness ;D
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My favourites are...
Ruddock vs Dokes
Tiger vs Foster
Marciano vs Walcott
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Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
I'm a little puzzled. Seventy plus views and no comments?
Not even a Bert Sugar sucks!
Heck, I'll settle for a Marbleheadmaui sucks!
Both lists pretty much contain all the ones that need to be there. Not trying to list the same fights again. But I will give you a couple that should be included
Hasim Rahman KO 5 Lennox Lewis- So Ocean 11 huh, Lewis?
Mike Tyson KO 1 Michael Spinks- No wonder Spinks was stalling
Donald Curry KO 2 Milton McCrory- I have yet to see a better left hook
Sonny Liston KO 1 Floyd Patterson- Patterson wasn't scared. He was fucking terrified
Max Schmeling TKO 12 Joe Louis- Right hands all damn night
Yep - a fantastic shot. A couple of years later he was on the end of one himself, courtesy of Mike McCallum!
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I'm gonna run with a few gems I hold near and dear to me fistically addicted heart
Carbajal ko Gonzalez 1.....goat
Kennedy McKinney ko Welcome Ncita
Juan Meza ko Jaime Garza
Reggie Johnson ko William Guthrie
Vincent Pettway ko Simon Brown
Tommy Morrison ko Razor Ruddock
Edwin Rosario ko Anthony Jones
Muangchai kittikasem ko Jung koo Chang (barely)
Mark too sharp Johnson ko Arthur Johnson
Rafael Pineda ko Roger Mayweather
Azumah Nelson ko Jeff Fenech 2
Bernard Hopkins ko Joe Lipsey
Aaron Davis ko Mark breland
James Toney ko Tim littles
Saad Muhammed ko Marvin Johnson 1
Carlos Gonzalez ko Tony Baltazar
Kevin Kelly ko Ricardo Rivera
John Verderosa ko Sean O'Grady
Sergio Martinez ko Paul Williams
James Toney ko Prince Charles Williams
Bob Foster ko Mike Quarry
Darrel wilson ko Shannon Briggs
Gussie Nazarov ko Joey Gamache
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great post- I cant believe how they have Dempsey vs Firpo on there. It looked like a amatuer boxing fight.
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Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
I'm a little puzzled. Seventy plus views and no comments?
Not even a Bert Sugar sucks!
Heck, I'll settle for a Marbleheadmaui sucks!
Both lists pretty much contain all the ones that need to be there. Not trying to list the same fights again. But I will give you a couple that should be included
Hasim Rahman KO 5 Lennox Lewis- So Ocean 11 huh, Lewis?
Mike Tyson KO 1 Michael Spinks- No wonder Spinks was stalling
Donald Curry KO 2 Milton McCrory- I have yet to see a better left hook
Sonny Liston KO 1 Floyd Patterson- Patterson wasn't scared. He was fucking terrified
Max Schmeling TKO 12 Joe Louis- Right hands all damn night
How the HELL did I leave that off???????
BTW, was the Curry left hook better than the one the Bodysnatcher landed on his a few years later?
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McClellan v Julian Jackson – welcome to the new p4p big hitter
Lewis v Ruddock – welcome to the new heavyweight big hitter
McCall v Lewis – close my eyes and hope to land to become champion.
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Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
marble don't let the "no responses" discourage you...
It happens often with threads that make people think and or have to read a lot.
Go and create a thread with any of these titles and watch the magic work:
Naz vs. ______ <----- Insert any of these name's JMM, Morales, Pacquiao
Tyson vs. ______ <----- Insert any of these name's Ali, Wladdy, Vitaly
RJJ vs. _______ <----- Insert any ATG name from Middle to LHW.
these threads have been done to death but people tend to respond to them....
The way I see it when I create threads is a view is as good as comment.
Hey! at least people are taking the time to view and read your post.
As for the list... I'm gonna throw some out that I think are often overlooked.
I also think that bodyshots are vastly underrated. KO'ing someone while hitting them in the face good. KO'ing them with a shot to the body even better.
Gavilan vs. Cartier
Ruddock vs. Dokes
Toney vs. Williams
Ike vs. Jack 1
RJJ vs. Hill
MAB vs. Fana
Nunn vs. Sumbu
McCallum vs. CurryLewis vs. Rahman 2
Zapata vs. Nakajima
Benitez vs. Hope
Didn't really think about that one and I should have!
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Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's
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Originally Posted by
DopeyKev
I'd have Tyson vs Spinks on there.
I thought about that one. It'd be on the list of 25.
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Originally Posted by
Riggs
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CutMeMick
marble don't let the "no responses" discourage you...
It happens often with threads that make people think and or have to read a lot.
Go and create a thread with any of these titles and watch the magic work:
Naz vs. ______ <----- Insert any of these name's JMM, Morales, Pacquiao
Tyson vs. ______ <----- Insert any of these name's Ali, Wladdy, Vitaly
RJJ vs. _______ <----- Insert any ATG name from Middle to LHW.
these threads have been done to death but people tend to respond to them....
The way I see it when I create threads is a view is as good as comment.
Hey! at least people are taking the time to view and read your post.
As for the list... I'm gonna throw some out that I think are often overlooked.
also think that bodyshots are vastly underrated. KO'ing someone while hitting them in the face good. KO'ing them with a shot to the body even better.
Gavilan vs. Cartier
Ruddock vs. Dokes
Toney vs. Williams
Ike vs. Jack 1
RJJ vs. Hill
MAB vs. Fana
Nunn vs. Sumbu
McCallum vs. Curry
Lewis vs. Rahman 2
Zapata vs. Nakajima
Benitez vs. Hope
It's actually a good thing some fools don't post a list. All you see is 20 Manny Pacquiao fights listed
Ahh how true.... And the body shot KO really tends to show the true pain a fighter feels. I must admit my statistical knowledge isn't massively broad but love learning more where i can and this post about body shots
did get me tapping away on my keyboard.... Although plagurised this is a list from back in 2007 by ESPN journo of the top 10 bodyshot KOs:
10) Jorge Barrios v Janos Nagy
9) Glenn McCory v Jeff Lampkin
8) Diobelys Hurtado v Randall Bailey
7) Roy Jones Jr v Virgill Hill
6) Ricky Hatton v Jose Luis Castillo
5) Arturo Gatti v Leo Dorin
4) Gerry Penalosa v Jhonny Gonzalez
3) Jorge Arce v Tomas Rojas
2) Mickey Ward v Alfonso Sanchez
1) Oscar De La Hoya v Bernard Hopkins
Again, not my list but an interesting read. I wouldn't claim to it either but a good thread that got my attention.
That's a fun list too! But did all the great body stoppages really happen post 1980? I'd put the LaMotta destruction of Dauthuille on there for starters.
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Curry's left hook against MCrory is the most perfect shot I have seen, I had to rewind it many times and pause it because it was so perfect.
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Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's
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Originally Posted by
chinchekked
These may not quite cut it but........
Roy Jones vs Antonio Tarver 2- The legend of invincibility dies hard.
Bernard Hopkins vs Trinidad- Hello world, my name is Bernard Hopkins and I'm pretty good at this fighting thing.Naseem Hamed vs Kevin Kelley- one of the most polarizing figures in boxing becomes an international star.
Manny Pacquiao vs Erik Morales 2- Manny sends a message for any doubters still out there.........ummmmm yeah, I am the real deal.
Barrera vs McKinney- Is Barrera for real? Kennedy McKinney would tell you YES! Classic battle
RJJ vs Griffin 2- We talk tonight Larry.....Pensacola talks tonight! Griffin shouldn't have pissed Roy off...nuff said.David Haye vs Audley Harrison- 2 legendary......naaaaaah, I'm just playing! Hahahaha
I considered each of the bolded ones and can make a case for each.
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
I'm gonna run with a few gems I hold near and dear to me fistically addicted heart
Carbajal ko Gonzalez 1.....goat
Kennedy McKinney ko Welcome Ncita
Juan Meza ko Jaime Garza
Reggie Johnson ko William Guthrie
Vincent Pettway ko Simon Brown
Tommy Morrison ko Razor Ruddock
Edwin Rosario ko Anthony Jones
Muangchai kittikasem ko Jung koo Chang (barely)
Mark too sharp Johnson ko Arthur Johnson
Rafael Pineda ko Roger Mayweather
Azumah Nelson ko Jeff Fenech 2
Bernard Hopkins ko Joe Lipsey
Aaron Davis ko Mark breland
James Toney ko Tim littles
Saad Muhammed ko Marvin Johnson 1
Carlos Gonzalez ko Tony Baltazar
Kevin Kelly ko Ricardo Rivera
John Verderosa ko Sean O'Grady
Sergio Martinez ko Paul Williams
James Toney ko Prince Charles Williams
Bob Foster ko Mike QuarryDarrel wilson ko Shannon Briggs
Gussie Nazarov ko Joey Gamache
GREAT list. The bolds are ones I considered and each has a good case. They'd all be on my list if I went 30 places.
What Azumah did to Fenech in that environment? Sensational!
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Originally Posted by
Master
Curry's left hook against MCrory is the most perfect shot I have seen, I had to rewind it many times and pause it because it was so perfect.
Fair enough!
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Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's
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Originally Posted by
gest12645
great post- I cant believe how they have Dempsey vs Firpo on there. It looked like a amatuer boxing fight.
Yeah, if I was going to put a Dempsey fight on? It's be his annihilation of Jess Willard. A heavyweight revolution goes national.
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
gest12645
great post- I cant believe how they have Dempsey vs Firpo on there. It looked like a amatuer boxing fight.
Yeah, if I was going to put a Dempsey fight on? It's be his annihilation of Jess Willard. A heavyweight revolution goes national.
That was legalised and brutal mugging.
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Great thread interesting reading!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYpDWCa-wtc
Sorry it's not boxing but i was watching some of the fights you guys mentioned and came across this. I had to post it as sent a chill down my spine, don't think this guy would have woke up from another shot or 2
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Originally Posted by
armyash
Great thread interesting reading!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYpDWCa-wtc
Sorry it's not boxing but i was watching some of the fights you guys mentioned and came across this. I had to post it as sent a chill down my spine, don't think this guy would have woke up from another shot or 2
Geebuz H Christmas! Knockdown of the living dead!
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Originally Posted by
Master
McClellan v Julian Jackson – welcome to the new p4p big hitter
Lewis v Ruddock – welcome to the new heavyweight big hitter
McCall v Lewis – close my eyes and hope to land to become champion.
Yeah, McClellan vs Jackson definitely belongs in my opinion. Good one with McCall knocking Lennox's head off. CC for you.
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Re: ESPN 20 Greatest KO's
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Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
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Originally Posted by
Violent Demise
Quote:
Originally Posted by
marbleheadmaui
I'm a little puzzled. Seventy plus views and no comments?
Not even a Bert Sugar sucks!
Heck, I'll settle for a Marbleheadmaui sucks!
Both lists pretty much contain all the ones that need to be there. Not trying to list the same fights again. But I will give you a couple that should be included
Hasim Rahman KO 5 Lennox Lewis- So Ocean 11 huh, Lewis?
Mike Tyson KO 1 Michael Spinks- No wonder Spinks was stalling
Donald Curry KO 2 Milton McCrory- I have yet to see a better left hook
Sonny Liston KO 1 Floyd Patterson- Patterson wasn't scared. He was fucking terrified
Max Schmeling TKO 12 Joe Louis- Right hands all damn night
How the HELL did I leave that off???????
BTW, was the Curry left hook better than the one the Bodysnatcher landed on his a few years later?
I consider it just a lil bit better. Cuz when Mike landed his he landed with full power. He lunged in and got full power behind it. Curry took like a quick swipe and the Ice man was done. It was so fast and short. The perfect punch
