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Former Haye Fans perspective.
Until Saturday night, I was a massive Haye fan, having followed him for years through the cruiser weight division and into the heavyweights.
I used to be able to ignore all the trash talk and mark it down as a PPV sales pitch.
I honestly thought he had the skills to trouble Wlad, if not beat him.
I was pretty embarrassed by his performance and lack of aggression on Saturday night, but was willing to accept that Wlad was much the better fighter and easily deserved the win.
What really got my back up, was the "little toe waving" and excuse making from Haye.
You are a heavyweight world champion, who has just been schooled by a much bigger and better opponent, just accept it, show a little humility and respect, and go home.
Waving the life threatening toe injury around straight after the fight, when the adrenaline is still pumping is one thing. But to stand on the desk at a press conference a few hours later is something totally different.
Surely a doctor or his management should have told Haye, that the best cure for a broken toe is to man the fuck up!
If Haye continues boxing, and holds his next fight at the bottom of my garden, I will draw the curtains.
If he does get a rematch, I hope Wlad bangs him on his arse in the first round.
Yours Sincerely
FTMatty
(Ashamed Former Haye Fan)
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
I lost a bit of respect for him harping about his toe... I can tell you from my experience fighting with a partially dislocated shoulder that with all the adrenaline flying around I doubt he felt his toe that much.
He should have just kept his mouth shut.
I have to say though... Haye didn't stand in front of Wlad because he wasn't strong enough to... If he was more aggresive and let his hands go he'd have been KO'd for sure and he knew it... so he was trying to move laterally and land a fight changing shot from the outside... I said before the fight he'd do this and he did - because he couldn't do much else.
He could have taken a bigger risk and maybe increased his chances of landing something big... but the risk of a KO would have went up close to 100% in my eyes.
To say you're embarrassed and ashamed for him? You were never a fan in the first place. You're a fair weather fan in that case who got suckered in by the hype.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
He shouldn't have mentioned the toe. But he admitted Wlad was better than him. He's in a no win situation now though.
"I didn't blame the loss on the injury. The reason why I lost is because Wladimir was better then me, he landed more shots," Haye admitted.
BBC - Newsbeat - David Haye: 'I'm not blaming Klitschko defeat on toe'
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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AdamGB
To say you're embarrassed and ashamed for him? You were never a fan in the first place. You're a fair weather fan in that case who got suckered in by the hype.
I can vouch he has been a Haye fan for a long time. And I can vouch he well pissed off re Saturday night - maybe the red mist will clear, maybe not.
So people don't turn on their heros then and become ashamed ? I think they do. It can go the other way too aswell.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
Sorry mate but anybody who makes big statements like that must have been pretty stupid and gotten carried away with all the prefight talk... it was never going to be Rocky 4.
You must have some arsehole/bottle your self if you're 'ashamed' of Haye, a former cruiserweight fighting a guy with the physical presence of Wlad... Like I said it was never going to be a dog fight, next time take prefight talk with more than a pinch of salt.
I'm not saying he did brilliant but there is some pretty big talk going around from heart broken fans who got carried away with the hype... bunch of fucking jilted boyfriends/fair weather fans the lot of you! :p
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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Originally Posted by
AdamGB
To say you're embarrassed and ashamed for him? You were never a fan in the first place. You're a fair weather fan in that case who got suckered in by the hype.
Absolutely not.
I'm embarrassed by his post fight conduct and toe waving. I used to be proud to sing Hayes praises in a number of heated arguments over the years, how can I possibly be proud of a fighter that cries about a little toe??
The way Adam Booth is talking saying Haye should retire, I think he knows there is no future.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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AdamGB
Sorry mate but anybody who makes big statements like that must have been pretty stupid and gotten carried away with all the prefight talk... it was never going to be Rocky 4.
You must have some arsehole/bottle your self if you're 'ashamed' of Haye, a former cruiserweight fighting a guy with the physical presence of Wlad... Like I said it was never going to be a dog fight, next time take prefight talk with more than a pinch of salt.
I'm not saying he did brilliant but there is some pretty big talk going around from heart broken fans who got carried away with the hype... bunch of fucking jilted boyfriends/fair weather fans the lot of you! :p
the loss isn't the issue, Wlad is a great fighter, who I knew Haye would struggle against.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
BBC - Newsbeat - David Haye: 'I'm not blaming Klitschko defeat on toe'
Of course he is going to have something to say... I'd rather he hadn't but if it's made you do a complete 180 on being a fan when the loss haven't then you're either extrmely reactionary or weren't a real fan to begin with.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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I may still have a lot of "red mist" going on, but I'm really disappointed with Haye the man rather than Haye the fighter.
The correct course of action would have been to compliment Wlad and leave via the nearest exit. Not whinge about a little toe. I don't mind a bit of trash talk before a fight, but show some respect and more importantly, dignity after a fight whether it be a win, loss or a draw.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
I agree and like I said I did lose a bit of respect for him for saying it/falling down so much as the fight went on... not enough to say I'm ashamed or no longer a fan etc though.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
Haye knocks him out early in a rematch. Fact
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Mark TKO
Haye knocks him out early in a rematch. Fact
Hahaha! Good one that! ;D
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
I've lost no respect for haye. I'm not dissapointed with him, I'm not angry with him.
You know why?
It has no baring on my life WHAT SO EVER. I have my own life and don't need to live through another person or sports team.
Haye got in the ring with a bigger man fighting for the biggest prize in his proffesion. I would urge anyone who is critisizing haye to look at their own life and think about what it is they do and a what point they plan on reaching the very top of it. Then think to yourself if you just fell slightly short but had a load of people moaning at you for it.
It's boxing, a sport, a form of entertainment to brighten up the lives of the mundane. It's nothing to get upset about.
If a rematch happens, which I think it will, more than likely the out come will be the same, but I'll still be supporting haye throughout.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
I've lost no respect for haye. I'm not dissapointed with him, I'm not angry with him.
You know why?
It has no baring on my life WHAT SO EVER. I have my own life and don't need to live through another person or sports team.
Haye got in the ring with a bigger man fighting for the biggest prize in his proffesion. I would urge anyone who is critisizing haye to look at their own life and think about what it is they do and a what point they plan on reaching the very top of it. Then think to yourself if you just fell slightly short but had a load of people moaning at you for it.
It's boxing, a sport, a form of entertainment to brighten up the lives of the mundane. It's nothing to get upset about.
If a rematch happens, which I think it will, more than likely the out come will be the same, but I'll still be supporting haye throughout.
Haye is going to go down as the biggest Fraud in heavyweight championship history. Way to go! Haye is the Enron of boxing. hahaha
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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Originally Posted by
Hunter
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
I've lost no respect for haye. I'm not dissapointed with him, I'm not angry with him.
You know why?
It has no baring on my life WHAT SO EVER. I have my own life and don't need to live through another person or sports team.
Haye got in the ring with a bigger man fighting for the biggest prize in his proffesion. I would urge anyone who is critisizing haye to look at their own life and think about what it is they do and a what point they plan on reaching the very top of it. Then think to yourself if you just fell slightly short but had a load of people moaning at you for it.
It's boxing, a sport, a form of entertainment to brighten up the lives of the mundane. It's nothing to get upset about.
If a rematch happens, which I think it will, more than likely the out come will be the same, but I'll still be supporting haye throughout.
Haye is going to go down as the biggest Fraud in heavyweight championship history. Way to go! Haye is the Enron of boxing. hahaha
Lol no I think most the current crop of american heavyweights already beat haye to that a long time ago. But what ever makes you feel better about your own countries failures.
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
Hunter
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
I've lost no respect for haye. I'm not dissapointed with him, I'm not angry with him.
You know why?
It has no baring on my life WHAT SO EVER. I have my own life and don't need to live through another person or sports team.
Haye got in the ring with a bigger man fighting for the biggest prize in his proffesion. I would urge anyone who is critisizing haye to look at their own life and think about what it is they do and a what point they plan on reaching the very top of it. Then think to yourself if you just fell slightly short but had a load of people moaning at you for it.
It's boxing, a sport, a form of entertainment to brighten up the lives of the mundane. It's nothing to get upset about.
If a rematch happens, which I think it will, more than likely the out come will be the same, but I'll still be supporting haye throughout.
Haye is going to go down as the biggest Fraud in heavyweight championship history. Way to go! Haye is the Enron of boxing. hahaha
Lol no I think most the current crop of american heavyweights already beat haye to that a long time ago. But what ever makes you feel better about your own countries failures.
:lol::owned:
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The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.
Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
Haye's post fight excuses are hardly surprising and in some ways are actually a healthy mindset for him to adopt,
Numerous psychological studies have shown that elite sportsman are more character disordered than ordinary people, which means that they blame their failures on external situations and factors rather than taking the blame themselves, as a nuerotic would do.
It may make him look a bit of a dick, but in his own mind I'm convinved he absolutely believes what he is saying is true. It will help him get over the loss and pick himself up mentally should he choose to fight again.
To hate him because of what is his natural, instinctive mindset is a bit silly. It's that self belief that got him to where he is and is actually a huge asset for any high achiever. It makes him look silly to us now, but the way he can rationalise failures away is a definiter key component for success and high performance so you shouldn't be too harsh on him for it.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.
Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.
Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.
Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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Originally Posted by
FTMatty
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
Hunter
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
I've lost no respect for haye. I'm not dissapointed with him, I'm not angry with him.
You know why?
It has no baring on my life WHAT SO EVER. I have my own life and don't need to live through another person or sports team.
Haye got in the ring with a bigger man fighting for the biggest prize in his proffesion. I would urge anyone who is critisizing haye to look at their own life and think about what it is they do and a what point they plan on reaching the very top of it. Then think to yourself if you just fell slightly short but had a load of people moaning at you for it.
It's boxing, a sport, a form of entertainment to brighten up the lives of the mundane. It's nothing to get upset about.
If a rematch happens, which I think it will, more than likely the out come will be the same, but I'll still be supporting haye throughout.
Haye is going to go down as the biggest Fraud in heavyweight championship history. Way to go! Haye is the Enron of boxing. hahaha
Lol no I think most the current crop of american heavyweights already beat haye to that a long time ago. But what ever makes you feel better about your own countries failures.
:lol::owned:
I dont pull for a fighter just because they are American. I like Wlad because he is respectful, classy, and I like his style. Mostly the fact that he KOs people with booming shots and busts people up. He is German/Ukranian. As for americans, I cant stand Mayweather and would hope Pacman KOs him but I believe Mayweather would beat him. I will be pulling for Froch against Andre Ward. I didnt like Froch to begin with but the loss humbled him and I like him better now. I hate Ward and his style. So saying the Americans are crap doesnt really bother me.
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Let's put all this stuff about fan loyalty aside because as I mentioned on other occasions,I only saw Haye fight once and I was not impressed with him as a heavyweight. I did what all of you did and did not receive what I expected, a competition for the largest prize in the ring. It was a waste of cold beer to sit and watch the human version of the European Grand Prix auto races without a motor in involved. I turned to the local Latin channels and I watched tough Mexican fighters do their thing for a great deal less money.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
What this shows is just how unreliable compubox is. Two different sets of people calculating punches thrown by ringside had completely different results.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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Originally Posted by
FTMatty
Until Saturday night, I was a massive Haye fan, having followed him for years through the cruiser weight division and into the heavyweights.
I used to be able to ignore all the trash talk and mark it down as a PPV sales pitch.
I honestly thought he had the skills to trouble Wlad, if not beat him.
I was pretty embarrassed by his performance and lack of aggression on Saturday night, but was willing to accept that Wlad was much the better fighter and easily deserved the win.
What really got my back up, was the "little toe waving" and excuse making from Haye.
You are a heavyweight world champion, who has just been schooled by a much bigger and better opponent, just accept it, show a little humility and respect, and go home.
Waving the life threatening toe injury around straight after the fight, when the adrenaline is still pumping is one thing. But to stand on the desk at a press conference a few hours later is something totally different.
Surely a doctor or his management should have told Haye, that the best cure for a broken toe is to man the fuck up!
If Haye continues boxing, and holds his next fight at the bottom of my garden, I will draw the curtains.
If he does get a rematch, I hope Wlad bangs him on his arse in the first round.
Yours Sincerely
FTMatty
(Ashamed Former Haye Fan)
FtMatty,
To the extent that you are admitting when you were wrong about a fighter, bravo. You are one of few who do that on this board. Good for you though. Cheers.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.
Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.
Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.
Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats
How many of those punches were jabs?
I'm not really argueing the point. I agree haye should have thrown a hell of a lot more. To win the lottery you gotta buy a ticket. Haye didn't buy enough tickets.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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JazMerkin
What this shows is just how unreliable compubox is. Two different sets of people calculating punches thrown by ringside had completely different results.
I agree.
I think some people may count the pawing/feinting that Wlad does as a punch.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
Latest update..........I'm mellowing a little.
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.
Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.
Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.
Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats
How many of those punches were jabs?
I'm not really argueing the point. I agree haye should have thrown a hell of a lot more. To win the lottery you gotta buy a ticket. Haye didn't buy enough tickets.
A punch is a punch....and Wlad was the one stalking down Haye not the other way around which counts for INTENT to actually fight a bit. Haye ran, tried to draw fouls, and it was just a pathetic display, I wouldn't even call it an "effort". I would have done better, yeah it makes me look like a keyboard warrior but I'd go out getting KO'd like a man and not running like a little punk especially after over 2 years of talking non-stop shit "The Klitschko's are boring, I'll save the division" blah blah blah...Britons are rightfully angry at Haye for humiliating not only himself but his entire country.
For your sake hopefully Fury-Chisora has some actual boxing in it.
I read Bunce's article today, even HE has stopped carrying the water for Team Hayemaker. Though he still insists that Haye continue fighting rather than retire.
IMO Haye doesn't deserve to get paid for that fight.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.
Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.
Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.
Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats
How many of those punches were jabs?
I'm not really argueing the point. I agree haye should have thrown a hell of a lot more. To win the lottery you gotta buy a ticket. Haye didn't buy enough tickets.
It doesn't matter how many were jabs, Wlad was pressing the action and clearly it is all worked off the jab. The man threw a typical HW amount in terms of volume. Haye was about half of that.
All I am arguing is that Haye didn't do anything beyond the 4th. It was as though he had lost the will and was in cruise control.
One man did what was needed, the other did far less.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
Haye should track down all of the fans that were at the weigh in and at the fight and pay them back out of the money he made on the fight. Funny how everyone was dogging Wlad because he didnt have any fans cheering for him but the last laugh was on all the chumps that traveled from Briton to Germany to support the fraud. They are out a chunk of change and are a laughingstock.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.
Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.
Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.
Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats
How many of those punches were jabs?
I'm not really argueing the point. I agree haye should have thrown a hell of a lot more. To win the lottery you gotta buy a ticket. Haye didn't buy enough tickets.
A punch is a punch....and Wlad was the one stalking down Haye not the other way around which counts for INTENT to actually fight a bit. Haye ran, tried to draw fouls, and it was just a pathetic display, I wouldn't even call it an "effort".
I would have done better yeah it makes me look like a keyboard warrior but I'd go out getting KO'd like a man and not running like a little punk especially after over 2 years of talking non-stop shit "The Klitschko's are boring, I'll save the division" blah blah blah...Britons are rightfully angry at Haye for humiliating not only himself but his entire country.
For your sake hopefully Fury-Chisora has some actual boxing in it.
I read Bunce's article today, even HE has stopped carrying the water for Team Hayemaker. Though he still insists that Haye continue fighting rather than retire.
IMO Haye doesn't deserve to get paid for that fight.
It's getting better all the time ;D
Co-main event
Wlad-Vs-Lyle
ICB-vs-Pac
This could be the next PPV extravaganza. I'm just about to tweet Richard Schaefer, HBO and Adam Smith.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.
Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.
Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.
Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats
Two things:
Haye threw more power punches AND landed them (power punches) at a higher rate.
What's this about "just" jabs? Really? Just? It was the night of the jab. Wlad threw 376 (if you accept CompuBox Stats). That's what won the fight for him.
It would be more fun to see him throw more power punches, and even more fun if more of them connected. No doubt.
But still a statement like "most of Wlad's were just jabs anyway" ... eh. Don't quite know how to find meaningfulness there.
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Fenster
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.
Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.
Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.
Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats
How many of those punches were jabs?
I'm not really argueing the point. I agree haye should have thrown a hell of a lot more. To win the lottery you gotta buy a ticket. Haye didn't buy enough tickets.
A punch is a punch....and Wlad was the one stalking down Haye not the other way around which counts for INTENT to actually fight a bit. Haye ran, tried to draw fouls, and it was just a pathetic display, I wouldn't even call it an "effort".
I would have done better yeah it makes me look like a keyboard warrior but I'd go out getting KO'd like a man and not running like a little punk especially after over 2 years of talking non-stop shit "The Klitschko's are boring, I'll save the division" blah blah blah...Britons are rightfully angry at Haye for humiliating not only himself but his entire country.
For your sake hopefully Fury-Chisora has some actual boxing in it.
I read Bunce's article today, even HE has stopped carrying the water for Team Hayemaker. Though he still insists that Haye continue fighting rather than retire.
IMO Haye doesn't deserve to get paid for that fight.
It's getting better all the time ;D
Co-main event
Wlad-Vs-Lyle
ICB-vs-Pac
This could be the next PPV extravaganza. I'm just about to tweet Richard Schaefer, HBO and Adam Smith.
...I've never been KO'd but I'm willing to give it a try ;D
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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Originally Posted by
NuthaPug
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.
Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.
Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.
Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats
Two things:
Haye threw more power punches AND landed them (power punches) at a higher rate.
What's this about "just" jabs? Really? Just? It was the night of the jab. Wlad threw 376 (if you accept CompuBox Stats). That's what won the fight for him.
It would be more fun to see him throw more power punches, and even more fun if more of them connected. No doubt.
But still a statement like "most of Wlad's were just jabs anyway" ... eh. Don't quite know how to find meaningfulness there.
I'm not sure if you are calling me out there, but I happen to think the jab is extremely significant. It isn't just a jab at all. It's a meaningful scoring punch.
In terms of power shots I have no doubt that it was more even. But asking a fighter like Wlad to unload with more against someone as evasive and reluctant to engage as Haye wasn't easy. Haye did move well to his credit.
I just think there was no excuse for Haye's reluctance to try and win rounds. You have to outland your opponent and try to make an impact and he simply refused.
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Re: Former Haye Fans perspective.
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
NuthaPug
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
Hornfinger
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.
Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.
Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.
Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats
Two things:
Haye threw more power punches AND landed them (power punches) at a higher rate.
What's this about "just" jabs? Really? Just? It was the night of the jab. Wlad threw 376 (if you accept CompuBox Stats). That's what won the fight for him.
It would be more fun to see him throw more power punches, and even more fun if more of them connected. No doubt.
But still a statement like "most of Wlad's were just jabs anyway" ... eh. Don't quite know how to find meaningfulness there.
I'm not sure if you are calling me out there, but I happen to think the jab is extremely significant. It isn't just a jab at all. It's a meaningful scoring punch.
In terms of power shots I have no doubt that it was more even. But asking a fighter like Wlad to unload with more against someone as evasive and reluctant to engage as Haye wasn't easy. Haye did move well to his credit.
I just think there was no excuse for Haye's reluctance to try and win rounds. You have to outland your opponent and try to make an impact and he simply refused.
No, not calling you out. Minor correction perhaps to the impact of your post but not to the general fact. But even that was more in the service of disagreeing that you can use the word "just" in connection with a dominating jab - especially the dominating jab of a tall, strong heavyweight, but it's really true at any weight class.
(My comment that "it was the night of the jab" was to recall the golden boy's comments after his fight with floyd, when it wasn't that kind of night. Just in case someone didn't make the connection.)
It was Hornfinger, not you, whom I quoted regarding "just jabs." And I'm not calling him out, either, just disagreeing with him.
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The closest America got to a David Haye type fighter (a trash talking pussy) is Kevin Johnson....and I'll bet he threw and landed more punches than Haye did.
Have you actually seen the punch stats? It's not like wlad threw double the amount of punches haye did. It was pretty even. Most of wlads were just jabs anyway.
Wlad threw a lot more punches than Haye, almost double in fact. Haye's output was shocking.
Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye - CompuBox Stats
How many of those punches were jabs?
I'm not really argueing the point. I agree haye should have thrown a hell of a lot more. To win the lottery you gotta buy a ticket. Haye didn't buy enough tickets.
A punch is a punch....and Wlad was the one stalking down Haye not the other way around which counts for INTENT to actually fight a bit. Haye ran, tried to draw fouls, and it was just a pathetic display, I wouldn't even call it an "effort".
I would have done better yeah it makes me look like a keyboard warrior but I'd go out getting KO'd like a man and not running like a little punk especially after over 2 years of talking non-stop shit "The Klitschko's are boring, I'll save the division" blah blah blah...Britons are rightfully angry at Haye for humiliating not only himself but his entire country.
For your sake hopefully Fury-Chisora has some actual boxing in it.
I read Bunce's article today, even HE has stopped carrying the water for Team Hayemaker. Though he still insists that Haye continue fighting rather than retire.
IMO Haye doesn't deserve to get paid for that fight.
It's getting better all the time ;D
Co-main event
Wlad-Vs-Lyle
ICB-vs-Pac
This could be the next PPV extravaganza. I'm just about to tweet Richard Schaefer, HBO and Adam Smith.
...I've never been KO'd but I'm willing to give it a try ;D
You wouldn't get past 60 seconds with Audley Harrison let alone Wlad.
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It would be more entertaining than the way Haye fought Wlad....FACT
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It would be more entertaining than the way Haye fought Wlad....FACT
Correct. Seeing you get sparked out would be beyond great.
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Hahaha, maybe I'm just drunk, but this is very funny. ;D
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It would be more entertaining than the way Haye fought Wlad....FACT
Correct. Seeing you get sparked out would be beyond great.
...WOW it sounds like I have David Haye-esque popularity ;D
Now just imagine me running away and crying like a little girl to the ref for 12 rounds and tell me you wouldn't feel ripped off ;D
