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Gotta like this kid a bit, Antillon had gone 12 tough rounds with Humberto Soto, and Brandon stops the guy in 3, impressive, entertaining win for Rios.
The 3rd round of last night's fight: (you might want to mute Gus Johnson) :jerk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtMFsjEEafw
The thing I really liked was Rios improved, at least offensively. His feet were really active, he was giving Antillon little angles and watch him when punching inside how he ends up on his toes maximizing his leverage.
He still gets hit too much, but that's the next improvement I suspect.
Kid's gonna be a tough out at 135.
Oh and I muted almost the entire broadcast except when I knew Bernstein was on alone.
Know nothing Gus and the despicable Jim Gray? Can't terrorists ever find the best targets?
It's a bitch ain't it, and good terrorists are getting harder to come by these days. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmaui
What I like about Brandon is, the little mo-fo comes to fight, and you know you're going to see an action packed scrap.
As thought his strength came to the forefront in awesome fashion. I serously dont think we need to worry about him being at 135. Think he'll go right up to 140, he looked thick in the gut-hips and really, he needs to do a lil more to merit a JMM to me.
He and Arum both said they were wanting Barrera next. Thats a absolute cash grab and strictly riding a great shot fighters name. Terrible.
As I said before I love Rios & he's got a fair bit more to his game than a great chin & a load of extra weight. I do like Antillon though, I just happen to have rooted against him his last 2 fights. Hope that he can rebound. Wouldn't mind seeing him take on the winner of Murray-Mitchell over here, I'd definitely go cheer him on. Rios beats everyone at 135 now for me. I think he's got probably another 2 or 3 fights there before he moves up. A Barrera fight would likely be horrible though.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
The way Rios looked last night, he shouldn't have any problems moving up to 140. Man the Jr. Welterweight division is stacked right now, lots of good fights in the future at that weight.
He's a bit too reckless...
His style of fighting at times can be KO or be KO'd that can comeback to bite him in the ass.
I think he needs to work on his defense.
If Maidana were to get past Guerrero that would be a hell of a fight.
How about Rios vs. DeMarco how entertaining would that fight be?
Yeah it is, but it's also how fighters have always been brought along and garnered name recognition isn't it? If Marco is smart? He finds something else to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
That's a terriffic idea for a fight!Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
I think you are dead right in your assesement of what he needs to work on, but he really is showing improvement. In a year-18 months he could really be something.
Boxings full of retreads put ahead of steam rolling next generation guys but at the worst you'd want an equalizer, remaining power etc. Barreras a scalp with a tagline in that one to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiYeah it is, but it's also how fighters have always been brought along and garnered name recognition isn't it? If Marco is smart? He finds something else to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Rios and Maidana sounds like a train wreck of a clash but not sure what Demarco can use to hold Rios off with really. I think he fought him when he fought Valero in some ways.
Rios kinda reminds me of Castillo, big strong Lightweight making every fight look like man against boy.... Even his punch sequences seem similar in a way.
Better stay at 135 because if he moves up to 140 i think Bradley will school the guy but i guess we have to wait and see how it goes. Madina and Maythesse would be some fights to see with that guy in it.
Guerrero will win that fight. But Guerrero says he's not necessarily staying at 140. Rios vs. Guerrero at 135 for the undisputed top spot in the division is a great fight (I don't think JMM's coming back). Though I agree Rios-Maidana at 140 would be great too, even if Maidana loses to Guerrero, as I believe he will.Quote:
Originally Posted by CutMeMick
Rios is not only exciting in the ring, but he has the villain element that will help him get bigger and bigger fights. I don't think his career will be a particularly long one with his style, but he's worth tuning in for.
I said this in another thread, but I was really impressed with both his punch-selection and the way he places his shots. He seemed like he was hitting Antillon at will and he knew when to just touch him and when to throw heavy blows. Now, hitting Antillon at will is perhaps not the most difficult thing in the world, but I was still impressed.
I still can't help but be a little uncomfortable with the way he rehydrates. It is just a bit unfair to me. But he is still a good and exciting young fighter. Im not trying to hate on him
It KILLS me that somehow the ability to cut weight has become a boxing talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommunistKevin
WTF does THAT have to do with boxing?
Same day weigh-ins as close to fight time as possible. Force fighters to weigh in within 1% of the weigh-in weight 3-4 times in the last two weeks before a fight for safety reasons.
Of course that doesn't work with late replacements and we have to figure out how to penalize guys who miss weight (money) and when they aren't allowed to fight at all. Maybe if they are over 1% but under 2% in the run up weigh-ins they get fined. If over 2%? Not allowed to fight.
I am going to disagree. I believe making weight/cutting weight is an integral part of boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiIt KILLS me that somehow the ability to cut weight has become a boxing talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommunistKevin
WTF does THAT have to do with boxing?
Same day weigh-ins as close to fight time as possible. Force fighters to weigh in within 1% of the weigh-in weight 3-4 times in the last two weeks before a fight for safety reasons.
Of course that doesn't work with late replacements and we have to figure out how to penalize guys who miss weight (money) and when they aren't allowed to fight at all. Maybe if they are over 1% but under 2% in the run up weigh-ins they get fined. If over 2%? Not allowed to fight.
I often marveled how Margarito could be a 200 pound man on the street yet make the sacrifices to come in at 147 (and other similar stories).
The fact of the matter is that some people just are willing to sacrifice to get into the right weight division where there size is an advantage (and frankly some can't).
I do recognize the safety factor, however, everyone has to make weight and it is by its nature, a very dangerous sport.
How about Rios vs Ortiz? Rios keeps talking trash about Ortiz.
From JL Sullivan's day until the 1920's in title fight fighters weighed in just before stepping into the ring. From the 1920's-1990 or so? Same day weigh-ins generally within eight hourse of the fight. IMPOSSIBLE to reydrate. In other words for 110 years fighters didn't dehydrate and rehydrate hardly at all. They fought at or very close to where they weighed in.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerI am going to disagree. I believe making weight/cutting weight is an integral part of boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiIt KILLS me that somehow the ability to cut weight has become a boxing talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommunistKevin
WTF does THAT have to do with boxing?
Same day weigh-ins as close to fight time as possible. Force fighters to weigh in within 1% of the weigh-in weight 3-4 times in the last two weeks before a fight for safety reasons.
Of course that doesn't work with late replacements and we have to figure out how to penalize guys who miss weight (money) and when they aren't allowed to fight at all. Maybe if they are over 1% but under 2% in the run up weigh-ins they get fined. If over 2%? Not allowed to fight.
I often marveled how Margarito could be a 200 pound man on the street yet make the sacrifices to come in at 147 (and other similar stories).
The fact of the matter is that some people just are willing to sacrifice to get into the right weight division where there size is an advantage (and frankly some can't).
I do recognize the safety factor, however, everyone has to make weight and it is by its nature, a very dangerous sport.
It changed after the Jimmy Garcia died (more or less). It's lead to all sorts of distortions and mismatches. Take Bam Bam Rios back to the 1970's and he isn't fighting Roberto Duran at lightweight. Hell he may not even be fighting Ray Leonard at 147. He might be fighting Ayub kalule at 154! It also lead to the Gatti-Gamache disaster.
That fight won't happen unless Rios eventually moves up 2 weight classes, Ortiz is currently fighting at WW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
I also think that this may contribute to something Manny Steward said recently about the lack of focus on actual boxing technique and the overfocus on physical conditioning. When you are allowed to possibly have a ten or fifteen pound advantage come fight time it behooves many people to focus more on obtaining that advantage than working on boxing technique because they can just overwhelm their opponents on many occasions. This MIGHT just MIGHT be one of the reasons that some trainers like Stewart say that the actual craft of boxing is deteriorating.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiFrom JL Sullivan's day until the 1920's in title fight fighters weighed in just before stepping into the ring. From the 1920's-1990 or so? Same day weigh-ins generally within eight hourse of the fight. IMPOSSIBLE to reydrate. In other words for 110 years fighters didn't dehydrate and rehydrate hardly at all. They fought at or very close to where they weighed in.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerI am going to disagree. I believe making weight/cutting weight is an integral part of boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiIt KILLS me that somehow the ability to cut weight has become a boxing talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommunistKevin
WTF does THAT have to do with boxing?
Same day weigh-ins as close to fight time as possible. Force fighters to weigh in within 1% of the weigh-in weight 3-4 times in the last two weeks before a fight for safety reasons.
Of course that doesn't work with late replacements and we have to figure out how to penalize guys who miss weight (money) and when they aren't allowed to fight at all. Maybe if they are over 1% but under 2% in the run up weigh-ins they get fined. If over 2%? Not allowed to fight.
I often marveled how Margarito could be a 200 pound man on the street yet make the sacrifices to come in at 147 (and other similar stories).
The fact of the matter is that some people just are willing to sacrifice to get into the right weight division where there size is an advantage (and frankly some can't).
I do recognize the safety factor, however, everyone has to make weight and it is by its nature, a very dangerous sport.
It changed after the Jimmy Garcia died (more or less). It's lead to all sorts of distortions and mismatches. Take Bam Bam Rios back to the 1970's and he isn't fighting Roberto Duran at lightweight. Hell he may not even be fighting Ray Leonard at 147. He might be fighting Ayub kalule at 154! It also lead to the Gatti-Gamache disaster.
That's just not true. We generally get somewhere between 4-7 hours depending on fight time to rehydrate after weighing in for amateur bouts & I find I can usually put on a few pounds (2-5) after through the meal, drinking & the tried & trusted banana. Although obviously it is true that the kind of rehydration Rios & Ortiz manage would simply be impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiFrom JL Sullivan's day until the 1920's in title fight fighters weighed in just before stepping into the ring. From the 1920's-1990 or so? Same day weigh-ins generally within eight hourse of the fight. IMPOSSIBLE to reydrate. In other words for 110 years fighters didn't dehydrate and rehydrate hardly at all. They fought at or very close to where they weighed in.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerI am going to disagree. I believe making weight/cutting weight is an integral part of boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiIt KILLS me that somehow the ability to cut weight has become a boxing talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommunistKevin
WTF does THAT have to do with boxing?
Same day weigh-ins as close to fight time as possible. Force fighters to weigh in within 1% of the weigh-in weight 3-4 times in the last two weeks before a fight for safety reasons.
Of course that doesn't work with late replacements and we have to figure out how to penalize guys who miss weight (money) and when they aren't allowed to fight at all. Maybe if they are over 1% but under 2% in the run up weigh-ins they get fined. If over 2%? Not allowed to fight.
I often marveled how Margarito could be a 200 pound man on the street yet make the sacrifices to come in at 147 (and other similar stories).
The fact of the matter is that some people just are willing to sacrifice to get into the right weight division where there size is an advantage (and frankly some can't).
I do recognize the safety factor, however, everyone has to make weight and it is by its nature, a very dangerous sport.
It changed after the Jimmy Garcia died (more or less). It's lead to all sorts of distortions and mismatches. Take Bam Bam Rios back to the 1970's and he isn't fighting Roberto Duran at lightweight. Hell he may not even be fighting Ray Leonard at 147. He might be fighting Ayub kalule at 154! It also lead to the Gatti-Gamache disaster.
I've always thought alot of it is a wink and a nod by networks and promoters to ensure a major event comes off as set. Everything is resolved today with guys basically making a financial agreement when weights are off or unable (unwilling) to be made. There is no insentive really. Just dock my purse and I don't have to sweat it. They take a trinket off the line if a guy doesn't make weight and make it a one way result, try that with a fighters purse and watch him start running laps.
Rios is a tough tough little bastard and he showed some great punches against Antillion. Both men were throwing beautiful combos !
However, Rios is also lucky that aside from Marquez, who is in the twilight of his career and may yet retire after the Pac fight, he is in a relatively weak lightweight division. I mean Robert Guerrero is the only other threat aside from Marquez.
A few years ago if Rios had tried to mix it up with Diego Corrales, Joel Casamayor or Jose Luis Castillo, he would of been just another contender. :cool:
Hell, I'd put a prime Juan Lazcano up against Rios.
Corrales - Rios would have been a hell of a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Hadn't thought of that. Nice post.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinchekkedI also think that this may contribute to something Manny Steward said recently about the lack of focus on actual boxing technique and the overfocus on physical conditioning. When you are allowed to possibly have a ten or fifteen pound advantage come fight time it behooves many people to focus more on obtaining that advantage than working on boxing technique because they can just overwhelm their opponents on many occasions. This MIGHT just MIGHT be one of the reasons that some trainers like Stewart say that the actual craft of boxing is deteriorating.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiFrom JL Sullivan's day until the 1920's in title fight fighters weighed in just before stepping into the ring. From the 1920's-1990 or so? Same day weigh-ins generally within eight hourse of the fight. IMPOSSIBLE to reydrate. In other words for 110 years fighters didn't dehydrate and rehydrate hardly at all. They fought at or very close to where they weighed in.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerI am going to disagree. I believe making weight/cutting weight is an integral part of boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiIt KILLS me that somehow the ability to cut weight has become a boxing talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommunistKevin
WTF does THAT have to do with boxing?
Same day weigh-ins as close to fight time as possible. Force fighters to weigh in within 1% of the weigh-in weight 3-4 times in the last two weeks before a fight for safety reasons.
Of course that doesn't work with late replacements and we have to figure out how to penalize guys who miss weight (money) and when they aren't allowed to fight at all. Maybe if they are over 1% but under 2% in the run up weigh-ins they get fined. If over 2%? Not allowed to fight.
I often marveled how Margarito could be a 200 pound man on the street yet make the sacrifices to come in at 147 (and other similar stories).
The fact of the matter is that some people just are willing to sacrifice to get into the right weight division where there size is an advantage (and frankly some can't).
I do recognize the safety factor, however, everyone has to make weight and it is by its nature, a very dangerous sport.
It changed after the Jimmy Garcia died (more or less). It's lead to all sorts of distortions and mismatches. Take Bam Bam Rios back to the 1970's and he isn't fighting Roberto Duran at lightweight. Hell he may not even be fighting Ray Leonard at 147. He might be fighting Ayub kalule at 154! It also lead to the Gatti-Gamache disaster.
It really could have been. Rios can take a punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHCorrales - Rios would have been a hell of a fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
But, I think Corrales would have got him early to mid with that great left hook of his.
What's not true?Quote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkinThat's just not true. We generally get somewhere between 4-7 hours depending on fight time to rehydrate after weighing in for amateur bouts & I find I can usually put on a few pounds (2-5) after through the meal, drinking & the tried & trusted banana. Although obviously it is true that the kind of rehydration Rios & Ortiz manage would simply be impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiFrom JL Sullivan's day until the 1920's in title fight fighters weighed in just before stepping into the ring. From the 1920's-1990 or so? Same day weigh-ins generally within eight hourse of the fight. IMPOSSIBLE to reydrate. In other words for 110 years fighters didn't dehydrate and rehydrate hardly at all. They fought at or very close to where they weighed in.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerI am going to disagree. I believe making weight/cutting weight is an integral part of boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiIt KILLS me that somehow the ability to cut weight has become a boxing talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommunistKevin
WTF does THAT have to do with boxing?
Same day weigh-ins as close to fight time as possible. Force fighters to weigh in within 1% of the weigh-in weight 3-4 times in the last two weeks before a fight for safety reasons.
Of course that doesn't work with late replacements and we have to figure out how to penalize guys who miss weight (money) and when they aren't allowed to fight at all. Maybe if they are over 1% but under 2% in the run up weigh-ins they get fined. If over 2%? Not allowed to fight.
I often marveled how Margarito could be a 200 pound man on the street yet make the sacrifices to come in at 147 (and other similar stories).
The fact of the matter is that some people just are willing to sacrifice to get into the right weight division where there size is an advantage (and frankly some can't).
I do recognize the safety factor, however, everyone has to make weight and it is by its nature, a very dangerous sport.
It changed after the Jimmy Garcia died (more or less). It's lead to all sorts of distortions and mismatches. Take Bam Bam Rios back to the 1970's and he isn't fighting Roberto Duran at lightweight. Hell he may not even be fighting Ray Leonard at 147. He might be fighting Ayub kalule at 154! It also lead to the Gatti-Gamache disaster.
The emboldened part I assume :D
But I am in agreement with same day weigh in's. Have been for years. Especially with cases like Rios. Makes me sick to watch fighters abuse the system, fighting small guys... I's the reason I've never really like Paul Williams.... Always used to say that their was a reason he got up at 4am to run every morning.
As long as the fighters weight loss is sufficiently monitored along the way, there is no harm to the fighter and really would be beneficial to the sport.
my exact sentiments;)Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiFrom JL Sullivan's day until the 1920's in title fight fighters weighed in just before stepping into the ring. From the 1920's-1990 or so? Same day weigh-ins generally within eight hourse of the fight. IMPOSSIBLE to reydrate. In other words for 110 years fighters didn't dehydrate and rehydrate hardly at all. They fought at or very close to where they weighed in.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozeboxerI am going to disagree. I believe making weight/cutting weight is an integral part of boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by marbleheadmauiIt KILLS me that somehow the ability to cut weight has become a boxing talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by CommunistKevin
WTF does THAT have to do with boxing?
Same day weigh-ins as close to fight time as possible. Force fighters to weigh in within 1% of the weigh-in weight 3-4 times in the last two weeks before a fight for safety reasons.
Of course that doesn't work with late replacements and we have to figure out how to penalize guys who miss weight (money) and when they aren't allowed to fight at all. Maybe if they are over 1% but under 2% in the run up weigh-ins they get fined. If over 2%? Not allowed to fight.
I often marveled how Margarito could be a 200 pound man on the street yet make the sacrifices to come in at 147 (and other similar stories).
The fact of the matter is that some people just are willing to sacrifice to get into the right weight division where there size is an advantage (and frankly some can't).
I do recognize the safety factor, however, everyone has to make weight and it is by its nature, a very dangerous sport.
It changed after the Jimmy Garcia died (more or less). It's lead to all sorts of distortions and mismatches. Take Bam Bam Rios back to the 1970's and he isn't fighting Roberto Duran at lightweight. Hell he may not even be fighting Ray Leonard at 147. He might be fighting Ayub kalule at 154! It also lead to the Gatti-Gamache disaster.