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I diclocated my should at pal national tournment at Oxnard, and the first fight it happend two times, i won with tko with one hand, the next it happend 2 times i lost points got a good beating. I would like to have any adivce from anybody into wt excerises i can do and it feel good now, but i diclocated in the swimming pool which made feel like it will never heal, please tell me what i could do.
hi mate i dislocated my shoulder at training and unfortunately when most dislocations occur more then likely you will have stretched your ligements/tendons, i was unlucky i had a handful of bad surgeons look at mine and finally after finding a decent surgeon 3 operations later im sitting here in a sling with my shoulder sorted! but if i had visited the last surgeon first of all it would all be sorted in one operation...
not saying its definate but get it checked out mate maybe you will get away with some physiopherapy with a bit of luck but otherwise im guessing a small keyhole surgery will be the answer just to tighten the shoulder back in place.. good luck either way hope you dont have as much trouble getting it sorted as i did!
my happend when i went for a right cross, and i have a friend who was suggested surgery and he didnt , he did excersis now his good, but idk man my happend the 5t time in swimming that ws sad, i was like whattt, i wanted to cry. b/c i dont want to quit boxing, i love it and never want to quit, no matter what i will never quit bt i stoped to let my hand rest, i wish i can brin back time
If it dislocates while you are swimming, I can't imagine you gave it proper time to heal up in the first place. Just get rest and see a good doctor if you can, every injury is different.
You might want to try a different sport.
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Originally Posted by IamInuit
or just punch with one arm
Bullshit. Do you have any idea how common shoulder problems are in boxing? The ammount of stress that is placed on the joint is extremely high. Most shoulder injuries can be prevented and a lot of them treated with no surgery (that fact that he has tried to continue boxing and swam suggest that it isn't completely fucked).Quote:
Originally Posted by IamInuit
Boxing is so fucking backward when to comes to sports science.
I dislocated my shoulder in my last bout (I even twinged it swimming similar to the original poster). This was partly down to me breaking my collar bone as a kid, the joint didn't set perfectly because the bone healed slightly crooked. It was mostly down to the ammount of throwing/forward pressing in boxing... any throwing sport is the same - tonnes of shoulder problems.
Unfortunatly as long as boxing coaches keep shunning modern training methods in place of endless press ups, punches, incorrectly performed squats and sit ups most fighters supporting muscles, posture, hip activation and posterior chain are going to remain problem areas. But most of all SHOULDERS
I had no idea what I was doing when I injured mine... had I had a clue - it would probably not have happened and if it did my recovery would have been much faster.
The problem with shoulders is that the joint needs to be stable but it also has the biggest range of motion in the body. stability and ROM don't really go hand in hand.
I'm going to guess that you have either torn or impinged one of the muscles in your shoulder cavity... probably the infraspinatus.
This has likely happened because boxing has tightened up of all of the muscles surrounding the front of your shoulder (pecs, anterior delt) etc, this tightness will roll your shoulders forwards tightening your shoulder cavity and restricting the correct movement of your shoulder. when this happens you are much more likely to suffer a partial or full dislocation, tearing and nipping the muscles in your shoulder joint as it happens... this inflames the muscles making them swell - further increasing the chances of niping them again... and you get caught in this stupid loop.
Also as punches are thrown in boxing, the shoulder joint needs to be stable to cope with the force transfering through your arm.
If your rotator cuff muscles had been stronger then it may have been able to stablise the shoulder and stop it from coming out.
Going back to what I was saying earlier, most boxing work outs are archiac and over work the anterior muscles whilst neglecting the posterior (back) muscles... the fact that boxers spend hour and hours a week boxing with their shoulders hunches forwards and punching means that they really need to work hard to over come the anterior tension that this causes, both to properly align the upper spin and shoulders and to strengthen the rotator cuff muscles that stabilise the joint.
The closest most old school trainers will come to training your back correctly is with pull ups.... and whilst pull ups are a great exercise they aren't ideal for shoulder health, the lats insert at the front of the shoulder so tight lats will actually make your shoulders roll in too... for correcting posture issues I find exercises like bent over row and reverse fly much better... but a lot of boxing coaches still follow the line that 'weights are bad' (despite the fact that your body weight is still a weight... it's how you use the weight that counts), so movements like these foten get neglected.
Prehabbing the joint could have prevent you and mine's shoulder injuires... but hindsight is a wonderfull thing, right? ;)
What I would reccomend for you now:
a) Firstly, get a sports massage to try and get the knots out of your chest/anterior deltoids (we need to stretch the tension out... but you can't stretch a knot... so you have to get them removed...) and also to remove any scar tissue and tension from the rest of your shoulder muscles (again, we are going to try to strengthening these muscles and increase their range of motion, but knots will limit what you can do). An elbow in the right place can do wonders (but will bloody hurt!).
b) After you've had the knots worked out you can start to do some progressive stretching on your chest and anterior delts, this should help to properly align your shoulders, along with our next step which is...
c) Start doing more compound movements like bent over row/reverse row to strengthen your rhomboids and posterior deltoids, this should pull your shoulders to a healthier position and get rid of any sluch in your upper spine that you may have.
d) start isolating your rotator cuff muscles to strengthen them and teach your body how to activate them them. There are various movements that you can do using weights (cuban rotation, head halos) resistance bands or cables (external rotation) or suspendion trainers (Reverse Flys and Y raises). A posterior capsule stretch will lengthen the muscle fibres, helping them contract better.
All of this should hopefully strengthen the joint and prevent further dislocations... I can't go that indepth without being able to actually demonstrate the exercise to you.... but this should get you going in the right direction.
See it as a basic guide to shoulder rehab (or prehab for anybody reading who wants to lesson the chances of damaging their shoulders)
You can do some good stuff on suspension trainers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIUUknuV7lU
Ok -- I have just had two operations and a reconstruction... Rotator Cuff initial injury...
Get an MRI -- Go to a specialist. Exercise may risk building scar tissue or bursitis..
See a specialist again -- Get their advice.. They are the ones who know what is going on. And make sure it is a good orthopaedic surgeon, find one that operates on pro sports players etc.. not just some dag in a hospital (my shoulder was fucked worse by my first surgeon who said nothing was wrong really... idiot - then got onto a legend who fixed it basically)
I smashed my shoulder into the floor playing football a few years back, I'm assuming it dislocated, the doctor only told me I'd torn ligaments, I'm guessing that was as a result of it popping out.
A few years later with no physio or surgery, when I windmill both arms, the damaged one doesn't rotate as freely or the same as the other.
When bench pressing, doing push ups, I still get a burning sensation right in the shoulder joint.
This is one of the things that has worried me about taking up boxing (that and poor fitness) I was hoping that as the muscles around it grew it may fix itself. Now I'm not so sure!
thnx for the videos and thnx allllottt to everybody, and to the person who said choose another sport, am sorry but your wrong my goal is in boxing an i wont stop stillllllll am dead
adam do you have msn
The main problem is, you have to consider the potential range of motion in your arm, and the range you use. My right arm dislocates quite easily, but only at a certain point (so much so that I can do it demand!). However, now that I know the exact point that it subluxates (slipping from the socket rather than fully dislocating) I can avoid getting my arm in that position reasonably well.
the problem with dislocations is that following a traumatic dislocation, the tissue that holds the arm in place becomes weakened and damaged, and further dislocations are common. Your case sounds fairly dramatic and similar to a friend of mine, who ended up having reconstructive surgery (and has been fine since, however he does not partake in contact sports of any kind).
The best advice would be to see a physiotherapist and/or sports specialist doctor. However, before splashing the cash, try exercises that strengthen shoulders and back (though be careful over extending and use lightish weights so as not to pull on the joint) Some people recommend yoga type exercises as well.
Ultimately, you know your limitations, and if you are unable to improve your situation through exercise and restraint of motion then surgery is probably the only route. Ignore the people saying you should give up boxing, its a hard sport, as you know, but dislocations are the result of movement and extension, so that means fishing, throwing, stretching, swimming and for me sleeping are also equally dangerous!
Good luck and hope it gets sorted for you!
yoo meee thnx broo, thats wt i was thinking cuz when i go for a righ cross like i take it to the side thats when it happens, so u do the same thing in boxing and it occurs, i think if i do straight punches it will be better.