Why I am not fully sold on Amir Khan

I was also not fully sold on Manny Pacquiao either, but his power, chin, and fighter instincts made me a fan a long time ago. But like him, Amir Khan has the same flaws without maybe the same strengths. Sure Khan survived Maidana's punches, but he didn't control the fight. It showed me his biggest flaw, just like MOrales, Marquez and Margarito showed me Pacquiao's. They are both blessed with amazing speed, fluidity and combinations, but neither really controls a fight. They use their speed and power and stamina to overwhelm guys, but if they were to take their foot off the pedal they wouldn't be in control. They rely on their outside game. Pacquiao at least can punch back on the inside, and has incredible power at all distances and angles, but Khan doesn't. He was completely frozen on the inside against Maidana. He had no answers whatsoever. I see anybody with the skill or determination to get inside with him could be extremely risky for him despite the fact I think he could give either Mayweather or Pacquiao a run for their money fighitng on the outside. Is Bradley as fast or flashy as Khan? No, but he does have great defensive skills, he is quick enough, and he will pressure Khan.

I think Roach already knows Khan would give Mayweather fits on the outside, but he knows that, that's all Khan has, and he knows how good Floyd is at getting inside on guys and doing damage a lot of people don't see. To get back to the reason I am writing is that Khan isn't the best at 140... yet. Timothy Bradley has proven against a much greater variety of opponents that he is the best in the division. Khan has outboxed older, slower boxer than them, and he has survived a slugger, but his style will look much better against a boxer than he will against a slugger, while Bradley will look overall better against both because he is a more complete fighter.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I was also not fully sold on Manny Pacquiao either, but his power, chin, and fighter instincts made me a fan a long time ago. But like him, Amir Khan has the same flaws without maybe the same strengths. Sure Khan survived Maidana's punches, but he didn't control the fight. It showed me his biggest flaw, just like MOrales, Marquez and Margarito showed me Pacquiao's. They are both blessed with amazing speed, fluidity and combinations, but neither really controls a fight. They use their speed and power and stamina to overwhelm guys, but if they were to take their foot off the pedal they wouldn't be in control. They rely on their outside game. Pacquiao at least can punch back on the inside, and has incredible power at all distances and angles, but Khan doesn't. He was completely frozen on the inside against Maidana. He had no answers whatsoever. I see anybody with the skill or determination to get inside with him could be extremely risky for him despite the fact I think he could give either Mayweather or Pacquiao a run for their money fighitng on the outside. Is Bradley as fast or flashy as Khan? No, but he does have great defensive skills, he is quick enough, and he will pressure Khan.

I think Roach already knows Khan would give Mayweather fits on the outside, but he knows that, that's all Khan has, and he knows how good Floyd is at getting inside on guys and doing damage a lot of people don't see. To get back to the reason I am writing is that Khan isn't the best at 140... yet. Timothy Bradley has proven against a much greater variety of opponents that he is the best in the division. Khan has outboxed older, slower boxer than them, and he has survived a slugger, but his style will look much better against a boxer than he will against a slugger, while Bradley will look overall better against both because he is a more complete fighter.

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Time will tell on that one.

If Bradley grows a sack we can find out sooner rather than later ;)

You're not fully sold on him, because he's yet to provide that sense of invincibility. When a guy gets so skilled, he tramples all in his path seemingly effortlessly, it becomes so easy imagining him beating every other fighter in this way or that way.

Looking at a fighter like Marquez, who always seems to be in trouble earlier, you think well if he gets up...we know what happens then. "He'll kill this guy..."

When you see a guy like Khan struggle or escape here or there against Maidana (Presscott KO aside), you think .. if only someone did the same thing to him.. earlier or longer or intentionally without wearing themselves out with so much flailing... and we would have probably never heard of this guy. It becomes a lot easier to list a set of guys with the skills to duplicate the set of circumstances that had this guy in trouble. Khans got a lot of mouth, but its just part of the game. Old lions hunt for food, Young lions hunt for sport after their already full, so they're a little more bold.

I haven't really bought into the accuracy thing. Khan likes to joust (he rubs at you or by you with straight punches and if he misses, he's moves his feet, locks you up or pushes your head down and leans on you) and while its effective, it hardly screams "on another level". It's a good tactic for negating an opponents offense. He uses his reach so he gets off first by beginning his attack at a distance his opponents couldn't dream of starting at. Because he throws a lot of punches, they have to drive headlong through the storm in order to get off. There aren't too many fighters that can step back and then thread a needle with a counter. A guy like Floyd would be dangerous for Khan in that he's perfected it. Its like his signature move. Feint/step back , then counter, then duck the counter's counter. Could Floyd knock Khan out that way?... Not with one shot. Its doubtful. Land it enough times though, and it takes a fighters heart. After that, in creeps doubt and fatigue.. out creeps focus, defiance, and persistence. Its not hard to see a few of the right fighters taking Khan into deep water.

Here's what to be sold on about Khan:

1. He has responded from a KO loss in exactly the way one likes to see;
2. He has shown a wonderful ability to learn;
3. He takes daring fights
4. He's got some impressive natural gifts

At this point there's a lot to like with this kid.

I think Floyd would hand Khan his ass. I think Khan fights a little too "cute." Almost like "Look everyone...how quick my hands are." While he is skilled and has the physical tools...i don't see much in terms of ring smart and adapting to make him special. Floyd...even at 34...can match anyone in the physical department. But what sets him apart...is that no one can match him in the skill and ring smarts department. He has a plan A, B, and C.

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I think Floyd would hand Khan his ass. I think Khan fights a little too "cute." Almost like "Look everyone...how quick my hands are." While he is skilled and has the physical tools...i don't see much in terms of ring smart and adapting to make him special. Floyd...even at 34...can match anyone in the physical department. But what sets him apart...is that no one can match him in the skill and ring smarts department. He has a plan A, B, and C.

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Well Khan is still a 24 year old kid, whereas Floyd is one of the greatest fighters in history, so he probably would. But you could apply that to just about any other fighter in Floyd's weight class for the past 10 years.

I hate the fact that I'm warming (very slightly) to Khan.
As a person I think he's an utter prick, but as a fighter he is really starting to show some serious talent and balls.

Khan is at the pinnacle of british boxing, and it would be great if he could show pretty boy or manny a thing or two in the way David Haye couldnt!

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Khan is at the pinnacle of british boxing, and it would be great if he could show pretty boy or manny a thing or two in the way David Haye couldnt!

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Not a hope in hell of beating either of them I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by FTMatty

I hate the fact that I'm warming (very slightly) to Khan.
As a person I think he's an utter prick, but as a fighter he is really starting to show some serious talent and balls.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I was also not fully sold on Manny Pacquiao either, but his power, chin, and fighter instincts made me a fan a long time ago. But like him, Amir Khan has the same flaws without maybe the same strengths. Sure Khan survived Maidana's punches, but he didn't control the fight. It showed me his biggest flaw, just like MOrales, Marquez and Margarito showed me Pacquiao's. They are both blessed with amazing speed, fluidity and combinations, but neither really controls a fight. They use their speed and power and stamina to overwhelm guys, but if they were to take their foot off the pedal they wouldn't be in control. They rely on their outside game. Pacquiao at least can punch back on the inside, and has incredible power at all distances and angles, but Khan doesn't. He was completely frozen on the inside against Maidana. He had no answers whatsoever. I see anybody with the skill or determination to get inside with him could be extremely risky for him despite the fact I think he could give either Mayweather or Pacquiao a run for their money fighitng on the outside. Is Bradley as fast or flashy as Khan? No, but he does have great defensive skills, he is quick enough, and he will pressure Khan.

I think Roach already knows Khan would give Mayweather fits on the outside, but he knows that, that's all Khan has, and he knows how good Floyd is at getting inside on guys and doing damage a lot of people don't see. To get back to the reason I am writing is that Khan isn't the best at 140... yet. Timothy Bradley has proven against a much greater variety of opponents that he is the best in the division. Khan has outboxed older, slower boxer than them, and he has survived a slugger, but his style will look much better against a boxer than he will against a slugger, while Bradley will look overall better against both because he is a more complete fighter.

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Khan has become another Brit media darling and HBO seems to be all over this clown's sack as well. To me Khan is just another 'good' but overhyped fighter.

It is hard to become sold on a guy that was beat down by a crap fighter like Bredis Prescott. But It has happened to other fighters that went on to become pretty good fighters like Lennox Lewis and Wladimir. Just takes time and some good fights to get the destruction out of your mind.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I was also not fully sold on Manny Pacquiao either, but his power, chin, and fighter instincts made me a fan a long time ago. But like him, Amir Khan has the same flaws without maybe the same strengths. Sure Khan survived Maidana's punches, but he didn't control the fight. It showed me his biggest flaw, just like MOrales, Marquez and Margarito showed me Pacquiao's. They are both blessed with amazing speed, fluidity and combinations, but neither really controls a fight. They use their speed and power and stamina to overwhelm guys, but if they were to take their foot off the pedal they wouldn't be in control. They rely on their outside game. Pacquiao at least can punch back on the inside, and has incredible power at all distances and angles, but Khan doesn't. He was completely frozen on the inside against Maidana. He had no answers whatsoever. I see anybody with the skill or determination to get inside with him could be extremely risky for him despite the fact I think he could give either Mayweather or Pacquiao a run for their money fighitng on the outside. Is Bradley as fast or flashy as Khan? No, but he does have great defensive skills, he is quick enough, and he will pressure Khan.

I think Roach already knows Khan would give Mayweather fits on the outside, but he knows that, that's all Khan has, and he knows how good Floyd is at getting inside on guys and doing damage a lot of people don't see. To get back to the reason I am writing is that Khan isn't the best at 140... yet. Timothy Bradley has proven against a much greater variety of opponents that he is the best in the division. Khan has outboxed older, slower boxer than them, and he has survived a slugger, but his style will look much better against a boxer than he will against a slugger, while Bradley will look overall better against both because he is a more complete fighter.

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Khan has become another Brit media darling and HBO seems to be all over this clown's sack as well. To me Khan is just another 'good' but overhyped fighter.

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Khan is currently ranked no.1 by the Ring. He's beaten 5 of their top ten ranked fighters. Three of which are still top ten ranked.

There's no HYPE about Khan. He's clearly proven himself to be a world-class fighter.

The P4P no.6 is currently rated SECOND to Khan in his own division.

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Originally Posted by Hunter

It is hard to become sold on a guy that was beat down by a crap fighter like Bredis Prescott. But It has happened to other fighters that went on to become pretty good fighters like Lennox Lewis and Wladimir. Just takes time and some good fights to get the destruction out of your mind.

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If it was just Khan's fight against Prescott you had to get out of your mind that would be one thing, but getting beatdown and nearly knocked out by Maidana stands out as well. I'm not saying Khan isn't a good fighter, but if he wasn't a Brit media darlin' and HBO's lastest promo poster boy, I doubt that he'd be getting nearly as much attention for what he's been able to accomplish so far.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Khan has become another Brit media darling and HBO seems to be all over this clown's sack as well. To me Khan is just another 'good' but overhyped fighter.

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Khan is currently ranked no.1 by the Ring. He's beaten 5 of their top ten ranked fighters. Three of which are still top ten ranked.

There's no HYPE about Khan. He's clearly proven himself to be a world-class fighter.

The P4P no.6 is currently rated SECOND to Khan in his own division.

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Yes, Fenster, your overhyped boy is all that and a bag of fish & chips, just ask Ring, the Brit media and HBO. :-X

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Khan has become another Brit media darling and HBO seems to be all over this clown's sack as well. To me Khan is just another 'good' but overhyped fighter.

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Khan is currently ranked no.1 by the Ring. He's beaten 5 of their top ten ranked fighters. Three of which are still top ten ranked.

There's no HYPE about Khan. He's clearly proven himself to be a world-class fighter.

The P4P no.6 is currently rated SECOND to Khan in his own division.

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Yes, Fenster, your overhyped boy is all that and a bag of fish & chips, just ask Ring, the Brit media and HBO. :-X

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If you disagree with the worlds boxing "experts" you should present a case. Why is Khan not a proven world-class fighter?

He has two belts at 140. He has beaten 5 top ten ranked fighters at 140. He is willing to fight anyone. He has shown tremendous courage to comeback from a potential career ending horrific loss.

These are the attributes that The Ring magazine, HBO and the rest of the worlds boxing "experts" appreciate.

Even your man Marblehead rates Khan NO.1 at 140. What's the problem? How can he possibly be "overhyped" if he's already established himself as the BEST/joint best fighter in the division?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Khan has become another Brit media darling and HBO seems to be all over this clown's sack as well. To me Khan is just another 'good' but overhyped fighter.

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Khan is currently ranked no.1 by the Ring. He's beaten 5 of their top ten ranked fighters. Three of which are still top ten ranked.

There's no HYPE about Khan. He's clearly proven himself to be a world-class fighter.

The P4P no.6 is currently rated SECOND to Khan in his own division.

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Yes, Fenster, your overhyped boy is all that and a bag of fish & chips, just ask Ring, the Brit media and HBO. :-X

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If you disagree with the worlds boxing "experts" you should present a case. Why is Khan not a proven world-class fighter?

He has two belts at 140. He has beaten 5 top ten ranked fighters at 140. He is willing to fight anyone. He has shown tremendous courage to comeback from a potential career ending horrific loss.

These are the attributes that The Ring magazine, HBO and the rest of the worlds boxing "experts" appreciate.

Even your man Marblehead rates Khan NO.1 at 140. What's the problem? How can he possibly be "overhyped" if he's already established himself as the BEST/joint best fighter in the division?

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I didn't say he wasn't "world class", most boxers who own a world title are considered "world class", I take that shit with a grain of salt.
I'm saying Khan is over hyped because he is, and I can make a case for it, but i'm sure it would fly right over your head Fenster. The key word here is overhyped. As for Ring magazine, HBO and the rest of the worlds boxing "experts" appreciating Khan, does that mean I have to?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Khan has become another Brit media darling and HBO seems to be all over this clown's sack as well. To me Khan is just another 'good' but overhyped fighter.

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Khan is currently ranked no.1 by the Ring. He's beaten 5 of their top ten ranked fighters. Three of which are still top ten ranked.

There's no HYPE about Khan. He's clearly proven himself to be a world-class fighter.

The P4P no.6 is currently rated SECOND to Khan in his own division.

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Yes, Fenster, your overhyped boy is all that and a bag of fish & chips, just ask Ring, the Brit media and HBO. :-X

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If you disagree with the worlds boxing "experts" you should present a case. Why is Khan not a proven world-class fighter?

He has two belts at 140. He has beaten 5 top ten ranked fighters at 140. He is willing to fight anyone. He has shown tremendous courage to comeback from a potential career ending horrific loss.

These are the attributes that The Ring magazine, HBO and the rest of the worlds boxing "experts" appreciate.

Even your man Marblehead rates Khan NO.1 at 140. What's the problem? How can he possibly be "overhyped" if he's already established himself as the BEST/joint best fighter in the division?

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I didn't say he wasn't "world class", most boxers who own a world title are considered "world class", I take that shit with a grain of salt.
I'm saying Khan is over hyped because he is, and I can make a case for it, but i'm sure it would fly right over your head Fenster. The key word here is overhyped. As for Ring magazine, HBO and the rest of the worlds boxing "experts" appreciating Khan, does that mean I have to?

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Of course you don't have to agree with anyone. However, it's a fact that MOST "experts" rate Khan very highly. They don't think he's just "hype."

So make your case?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I didn't say he wasn't "world class", most boxers who own a world title are considered "world class", I take that shit with a grain of salt.
I'm saying Khan is over hyped because he is, and I can make a case for it, but i'm sure it would fly right over your head Fenster. The key word here is overhyped. As for Ring magazine, HBO and the rest of the worlds boxing "experts" appreciating Khan, does that mean I have to?

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Of course you don't have to agree with anyone. However, it's a fact that MOST "experts" rate Khan very highly. They don't think he's just "hype."

So make your case?

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A Case for Khan being overhyped? The short of it is, based on what he's actually managed to accomplish in his short career, including getting crushed by Prescott, I fail to see anything extra special there. And as for his #1 ranking, based on what? Getting your ass kicked, and almost being stopped by Maidana, and then beating up on a washed-up chump like Zab Judah? I don't know what the "world's experts" are seeing in this overhyped clown, but it ain't the same thing i'm seeing.

I hope this helps.

I with you on not bin sold on kahn (altho i am coming round to him abit calling out floyd and bradley) but how can u not be sold on pacquiao?! Its abit harsh imo pacmans last 10 fights or so are an unbeliveable list of names, mab morales, marquez, diaz, hoya,clottey,hatton, cotto,margarito, mosley, theres some impressive scalps! How can u not be sold on pacman?!

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Originally Posted by Taeth

I was also not fully sold on Manny Pacquiao either, but his power, chin, and fighter instincts made me a fan a long time ago. But like him, Amir Khan has the same flaws without maybe the same strengths. Sure Khan survived Maidana's punches, but he didn't control the fight. It showed me his biggest flaw, just like MOrales, Marquez and Margarito showed me Pacquiao's. They are both blessed with amazing speed, fluidity and combinations, but neither really controls a fight. They use their speed and power and stamina to overwhelm guys, but if they were to take their foot off the pedal they wouldn't be in control. They rely on their outside game. Pacquiao at least can punch back on the inside, and has incredible power at all distances and angles, but Khan doesn't. He was completely frozen on the inside against Maidana. He had no answers whatsoever. I see anybody with the skill or determination to get inside with him could be extremely risky for him despite the fact I think he could give either Mayweather or Pacquiao a run for their money fighitng on the outside. Is Bradley as fast or flashy as Khan? No, but he does have great defensive skills, he is quick enough, and he will pressure Khan.

I think Roach already knows Khan would give Mayweather fits on the outside, but he knows that, that's all Khan has, and he knows how good Floyd is at getting inside on guys and doing damage a lot of people don't see. To get back to the reason I am writing is that Khan isn't the best at 140... yet. Timothy Bradley has proven against a much greater variety of opponents that he is the best in the division. Khan has outboxed older, slower boxer than them, and he has survived a slugger, but his style will look much better against a boxer than he will against a slugger, while Bradley will look overall better against both because he is a more complete fighter.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I didn't say he wasn't "world class", most boxers who own a world title are considered "world class", I take that shit with a grain of salt.
I'm saying Khan is over hyped because he is, and I can make a case for it, but i'm sure it would fly right over your head Fenster. The key word here is overhyped. As for Ring magazine, HBO and the rest of the worlds boxing "experts" appreciating Khan, does that mean I have to?

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Of course you don't have to agree with anyone. However, it's a fact that MOST "experts" rate Khan very highly. They don't think he's just "hype."

So make your case?

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A Case for Khan being overhyped? The short of it is, based on what he's actually managed to accomplish in his short career, including getting crushed by Prescott, I fail to see anything extra special there. And as for his #1 ranking, based on what? Getting your ass kicked, and almost being stopped by Maidana, and then beating up on a washed-up chump like Zab Judah? I don't know what the "world's experts" are seeing in this overhyped clown, but it ain't the same thing i'm seeing.

I hope this helps.

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I must've missed him getting his ass kicked by maidana. The fight I saw, Khan won quite comprehensively :confused: He came through some tough stages and was almost out on his feet, but surely coming through that and still winning the fight clearly must be worth some credit. Winning through adversity is a big plus in my book.

He aint the finished article and I have only recently started to appreciate him, but he deffo aint overhyped imo.

Maybe because he is British, Muslim, young, rich, good looking, tall which one of those are you lacking? I hate him too but he is beating everyone and Bradley is no where to be seen, coincidence?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

I didn't say he wasn't "world class", most boxers who own a world title are considered "world class", I take that shit with a grain of salt.
I'm saying Khan is over hyped because he is, and I can make a case for it, but i'm sure it would fly right over your head Fenster. The key word here is overhyped. As for Ring magazine, HBO and the rest of the worlds boxing "experts" appreciating Khan, does that mean I have to?

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Of course you don't have to agree with anyone. However, it's a fact that MOST "experts" rate Khan very highly. They don't think he's just "hype."

So make your case?

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A Case for Khan being overhyped? The short of it is, based on what he's actually managed to accomplish in his short career, including getting crushed by Prescott, I fail to see anything extra special there. And as for his #1 ranking, based on what? Getting your ass kicked, and almost being stopped by Maidana, and then beating up on a washed-up chump like Zab Judah? I don't know what the "world's experts" are seeing in this overhyped clown, but it ain't the same thing i'm seeing.

I hope this helps.

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I must've missed him getting his ass kicked by maidana. The fight I saw, Khan won quite comprehensively :confused: He came through some tough stages and was almost out on his feet, but surely coming through that and still winning the fight clearly must be worth some credit. Winning through adversity is a big plus in my book.

He aint the finished article and I have only recently started to appreciate him, but he deffo aint overhyped imo.

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No, you're wrong H despite the fact that Khan clearly won 7-9 rounds, dropped Maidana & took his best shots to come back with his own, he actually got battered to fuck. The judges obviously were rewarding all that ring generalship, effective aggression, defense & clean punching stuff. The fools.

I think it is kinda dumb to rank Khan over Bradley when he did not even beat him yet kinda makes me wonder about the ring rating. I mean i really do not get how he moved over him with out beating him.

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I think it is kinda dumb to rank Khan over Bradley when he did not even beat him yet kinda makes me wonder about the ring rating. I mean i really do not get how he moved over him with out beating him.

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It makes sense this way. Since Bradley's last fight Khan has beaten two ranked 140's. So one can say Bradley is the same guy he was 6 months ago, Khan is significantly improved.

I'm not saying I necessarily buy it, but there is a logic there.

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Maybe because he is British, Muslim, young, rich, good looking, tall which one of those are you lacking? I hate him too but he is beating everyone and Bradley is no where to be seen, coincidence?

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The only ones i'm not lacking are good looking and tall. ;D