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Barrera seemed to genuinely hate Hamed, I loved the little touch by Barrera toward the end of the 12th round when he escorts Princess to a corner and jams her head into the turnbuckle. It was pretty obvious that Hamed wasn't prepared for what MAB brought to the dance.
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I liked hamed he was totally different to anyone ive seen before!! Ok he was probaly the biggest mouth and piss taker aswel! But he always backed up his mouth. (bar mab but he was the best around!) ive read hamed life story, brendan ingle quoted 'the only person to beat naz will be himself' and the way he goes in the book driving cars stupidly not training properly and not listening to his trainers all lead to naz getting a boxing lesson from mab!! Shame he never came back with a clear refreshed mindset, i think he'd lost interest in the sport long before the mab fight
I can't recall another flamboyant Pug, who had such an unorthodox boxing style. Hamed was very effective with it until he ran into the no nonsense seasoned Pro Barrera, who had a field day picking Hamed apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffturner
George Foreman absolutely loved Hamed and his style, I think he was sick after this fight, he just couldn't believe his boy lost like he did.
People have tried to be like naz, witter tried, kahn had a brief go, naz pulled off the style and beat alot of top fighters.......Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI can't recall another flamboyant Pug, who had such an unorthodox boxing style. Hamed was very effective with it until he ran into the no nonsense seasoned Pro Barrera, who had a field day picking Hamed apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffturner
George Foreman absolutely loved Hamed and his style, I think he was sick after this fight, he just could believe his boy lost like he did.
Hamed had an awfully good career.
What kills me is he had ATG physical gifts and just not an ATG mind or desire.
MAB? Physical gifts not quite at Hamed's level, but his craft and desire were on another planet.
There is no reason to demean Hamed by calling him Princess. Not valuable boxing criticism at all.
He provided a dangerous and unorthodox approach which made his fights interesting as hell. Thing about unschooled and unorthodox combined with lots of natural ability is that it will do very well when it has lots of energy going but it will always lose to the best schooled orthodoxy carefully applied by a master.
Barrera proves it.
It is indeed regretable that Hamed didn't take that wild natural ability and, without losing his unorthodox infusion of energy and angles, also learn the science.
He had a wicked talent and mistook that for an invincibility provided by Allah. It was not; at least, not in the way he believed.
I am more a fan of MAB than of Hamed but did enjoy watching Hamed fight and was disappointed to see him unable to handle a loss and to see him abandon boxing when Allah did not ensure a victory in every fight. MAB, Allah and the science of boxing all deserve more investment, humility and respect than Hamed was able to bring.
Barera beats Naz 9 times out of 10 imo - he just had his number. It doesn't detract from what Naz was or what he achieved imo. No great shame in losing to an ATG (Maybe some shame in not coming back from the defeat)
Naz was bookies favourite both sides of the atlantic (personally I never saw why) so he must've been doing O.K up that point?
I agree mab had naz's number, alotho i belive naz had lost respect for the sport by that fight maybe got too big even 4his own boots!! I think naz was favourite alot because he was so good at been unorthadox! He must of been a nightmare to fight throwing heavy punches from daft angles, awsum speed and reactation time, and just so cocky im sure that took certain fighters eyes off the balls, mab deserves masses of credit 4givin naz a lesson in boxing! Im not sure if many others (maybe morales) could of beaten naz's style??Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
There's every reason to demean Princess Hamed, including his gay ring entrances which had fuck all to do with boxing, and basically quitting like a pussy after his first loss. An "invincibility provided by Allah"? What a fucking clown.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuthaPug
You get full of yourself and Allah leaves you to it.
Those thick tree trunk legs and great flexibility around the waist had him coming at you from some wild angles and with full lift. Fun to watch.
So emotional ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThere's every reason to demean Princess Hamed, including his gay ring entrances which had fuck all to do with boxing, and basically quitting like a pussy after his first loss. An "invincibility provided by Allah"? What a fucking clown.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuthaPug
Naz wa nothing but good for boxing. Hell, even the Klitschko Brothers took a leaf outta his book when it comes to ring entrances!
Andre good observation on Naz' build, I never really looked at it like that. It's amazing really the way we can think outside of the box and choose to exploit our own physical gifts in the most unique ways.
WTF does "emotion" have to do with anything? You read too much into 'my' opinions, emotion has little to do with any of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusSo emotional ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axThere's every reason to demean Princess Hamed, including his gay ring entrances which had fuck all to do with boxing, and basically quitting like a pussy after his first loss. An "invincibility provided by Allah"? What a fucking clown.Quote:
Originally Posted by NuthaPug
Naz wa nothing but good for boxing. Hell, even the Klitschko Brothers took a leaf outta his book when it comes to ring entrances!
Andre good observation on Naz' build, I never really looked at it like that. It's amazing really the way we can think outside of the box and choose to exploit our own physical gifts in the most unique ways.
Hamed was totally out of his depth against an elite fighter like Barrera, Morales would've done the same thing to him. The Prince entered the ring that night and left it as a toad!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
i loved that fight. i think what threw naz off mentally was that beer that went flying into his face when he was swinging down onto the floor from that lame swing entrance! u could tell he was pretty pissed that he was disrespected like that. it threw his focus off bad.
then it was barerras fist that went flying onto his face. classic!
Aparantly naz never did any running to train?!? Think he did leg weights and masses of body (not head) sparringQuote:
Originally Posted by Andre
thanks for the vid , hahah i had forgotten how much I hated Hamed and how good that fight was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
Hameds style may have worked better vs Marquez or Morales but we'll never know. Erik was more open to punches than Marco and Marquez back when he was losing to guys like Norwood couldnt take a shot as well as Marco and may have to get off the floor afew times like he did against Pac if Nas landed clean.
We never got to see those fights because the loss took alot from Nas. Once that Aura left him and he realised his god would allow him to lose then he didnt want to risk it again with anyone better than Manuel Calvo but as we saw in his farewell fight the fans wouldnt stand for that and booed him into retirement. Sad way for a great story to end.
It was the right plan executed to a T.
Morales would have come to scrap. Not sure about Marquez.
Well done to MAB for the great win but that was not the Prince on form!
I have to disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
I think Marquez, Morales, and Barrera would have beaten Hamed anytime.
As for Marquez losing to Norwood, sure the judges gave him(FN) that fight, but I didn't think for one second that Marquez lost that fight.
Marquez couldn't take a shot? Yeah we all know that he has hit the canvas a few times, but he always gets up.
How many times has JMM been KO'd? Zero!
I wouldn't even compare hamed to Manny pacquiao. Pac is on a whole different level.
I totally agree with this, Barrera was a big step up for Hamed, and Marquez, Morales, would have been too. Just like Barrera, they were both skilled, consummate Pros, who knew how to fight, and they would have solved Hamed's unorthodox style.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gonzo13I have to disagree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
I think Marquez, Morales, and Barrera would have beaten Hamed anytime.
As for Marquez losing to Norwood, sure the judges gave him(FN) that fight, but I didn't think for one second that Marquez lost that fight.
Marquez couldn't take a shot? Yeah we all know that he has hit the canvas a few times, but he always gets up.
How many times has JMM been KO'd? Zero!
I wouldn't even compare hamed to Manny pacquiao. Pac is on a whole different level.
Agreed. Morales would have gone to war and that would have either spelled bad news for Hamed or it would have played right into his hands. Zahir Raheem was a southpaw without Hameds power but fundamentally he may have been better than the prince even though he had nowhere near the same success. I think Raheem got Morales at the right time. He was coming off the Pac win but still in decline IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy
In an interview on a Mexican TV show MAB says that he told Naz "Who's your daddy?" when that happened on round 12. You can see that in slow mo right after MAB pushes Naz head, he gets close to his left ear and that's when he asks him that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
By that time Naz was finished, the documentary showed he hardly trained, Manny Stewart was appalled at his conditioning and Naz had his head too far up his own ass to know that he had lost it.
[/QUOTE]In an interview on a Mexican TV show MAB says that he told Naz "Who's your daddy?" when that happened on round 12. You can see that in slow mo right after MAB pushes Naz head, he gets close to his left ear and that's when he asks him that.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I have a boxing magazine that Barrera gave an interview to, he told the reporter that he asked hamed, whose your daddy?
But I didn't know it was during the 12th round.
That's funny as hell, "firm but fair" Joe Cortez was the ref in this fight, Barrera was lucky he didn't get DQ'd for that last little move, fucking funny as hell though, the final humiliation for the Princess. ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ChinoIn an interview on a Mexican TV show MAB says that he told Naz "Who's your daddy?" when that happened on round 12. You can see that in slow mo right after MAB pushes Naz head, he gets close to his left ear and that's when he asks him that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
I remember that! What was the name of that documentary? I remember Naz obsessing over his hair cut and lamb skin Boxing gloves more than anything else :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Yes that was the programme, he flew in his barber to cut his hair which looked much the same. He was teasing Eubanks but coming across a tit in the process. Eubanks should have beaten him up as he was going to do at an airport.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusI remember that! What was the name of that documentary? I remember Naz obsessing over his hair cut and lamb skin Boxing gloves more than anything else :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Naz did want goat skin boxing gloves and wanted the pair that Barrera chose. He also took ages to come out of the dressing room at fight night. It was amazing that he was not knocked out in that fight remember Marco landed a left hook around the 5th and Naz legs went.
The humiliation of Hamed made me a Barrera fan FOR LIFE! I could watch that fight 100 times and would enjoy it just as much every time. All those flying carpet, disco-dancing, prancing, half-hour annoying ring entrances.... only to get his head bashed into the ring post. Classic.
;D
Ha! Naz must go down as the most annoying boxer ever!? I cant belive how much he got under everyones skin! I cant think of another boxer who everyone hates so much? Personally i liked naz, not as much out of the ring but in it, i dont think anyone has ever pulled off that style like hamed did, ok his mouth was annoying but he always talked the talk then walked the walk (bar mab whos one of the best ive seen at that weight) i think naz could of beaten mab or would of put up a better display maybe 4 or 5 fights previous as he trained harder, by the time naz boxed mab he had well and truley got too big for his boots! He'd stopped listening to his trainers etc and totally forgot what was important in boxing,
Barrera had been trying to fight Hamed for a long time, as had Marquez, and he ducked them both. Then barrera had a fight, looked not so good and Hamed signed to fight him...then Barrera ko's Jesus Salud and Hamed tried to get out of the fight.
Made some good money on that fight because I knew Barrera would box him. Hamed was a counterpuncher; Kevin Kelly would've beaten him if he hadn't got in a hurry. Let Hamed lead and he's an easy night out. But he could counter you very forcefully.
I've always hated Hamed with ever fibre of my being, he is just unbelievably annoying.
When I listened to the radio commentary for Groves Degale, Naz came on talking a load of crap, saying he saw nothing good about Groves and Degale would win easily. Even now he is still an arrogant toe rag, British fighter or not, I was so glad when Berrera beat and humiliated him.
I also hated how he constantly shoved his religion in people's faces, it was Allah every other word. Religion and sport should never mix, if people want to believe that their god has helped them then fine. But do it with dignity like George Foreman, a quick mention or silent prayer here and there.
Not like Holyfield with his wife with a direct line to god or Naz with "Allah wanted me to do this blah blah". Sorry guys rant over just thinking of Naz gets me so bloody angry!
Clearly not one for the atheists then ;D
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Originally Posted by Taffturner
yeah naz was superb, we'll never have a fighter like him again
IMO he'd of beaten barrera had he put the effort in but its one of those things that no one will ever be sure about
was barrera just better than naz or was it because naz didnt train properly
i could not have put it better myself , bravo sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mctaggert
We didn't see as much of Hamed here in the U.S. as i'm sure you did in the UK, so I didn't know too much about the Allah bullshit, it's easy to see how that, along with the gay ring entrances would be unbelievably annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mctaggert
It's been my experience with egotistical dimwits like Hamed, who have an almost fanatical belief in god/allah et al, that they eventually come to the conclusion that 'they' are god.
he was a total cunt
lol. brilliantQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
i was at the weigh in and walked out because he was spouting all that religion just thought to myself he is gonna need help against MAB ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axWe didn't see as much of Hamed here in the U.S. as i'm sure you did in the UK, so I didn't know too much about the Allah bullshit, it's easy to see how that, along with the gay ring entrances would be unbelievably annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mctaggert
It's been my experience with egotistical dimwits like Hamed, who have an almost fanatical belief in god/allah et al, that they eventually come to the conclusion that 'they' are god.