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Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
About 8 months ago, CutmeMick picked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IpPGykwYxAas one of the best rising middleweights in the division on this thread. Now Gregorz Proksa is taking a big step up in competition when he faces Sebastian "The Hurricane" Sylvester for the European Middleweight Championship vacated by Darren Barker. Sylvester is a legitimate middleweight former champion. Will Mick's pick prevail? Will Proksa's rise to the top, as Mick predicted, continue?
*Coincidentally, on that same above-referenced thread in which Mick picked Proksa as his top middleweight prospect, Bilbo picked Darren Barker as his favorite rising star. Wouldn't you know it? Now Barker is facing Bilbo's least favorite boxer, Sergio Martinez. Will Bilbo's prospect pick also rise to the occasion?
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
Where is the option for YOU are out to lunch creating a thread like this ? ;D
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
Well clearly you know what my vote is... ;)
Super G is def. talented and has the goods.
I was ringside for his pro-debut vs. Capo it was on the undercard of JLC-Corrales 1.
The second I saw him I knew I was seeing a talented kid whom I was sure I'd see again.
Coincidently that night I met BCD who at that time was still a MW and was one of my fav. rising stars.
The only issue I have with Super G is his defense lacks but I think his speed more then makes up for it... I think he's come someway but still needs experience. I think this is a HUGE step up in class as far as opposition goes for him. This will really show if he's ready for 2 or 3 fighters like SS or along the lines of Ishida or the winner of Vera-Lee even a fight with Rubio would be good.
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
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Hulk
Where is the option for YOU are out to lunch creating a thread like this ? ;D
I couldn't hold back. I need to be restrained. ;D
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
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CutMeMick
Well clearly you know what my vote is... ;)
Super G is def. talented and has the goods.
I was ringside for his pro-debut vs. Capo it was on the undercard of JLC-Corrales 1.
The second I saw him I knew I was seeing a talented kid whom I was sure I'd see again.
Coincidently that night I met BCD who at that time was still a MW and was one of my fav. rising stars.
The only issue I have with Super G is his defense lacks but I think his speed more then makes up for it... I think he's come someway but still needs experience. I think this is a HUGE step up in class as far as opposition goes for him. This will really show if he's ready for 2 or 3 fighters like SS or along the lines of Ishida or the winner of Vera-Lee even a fight with Rubio would be good.
I agree. It's a big deal if he beats Sylvester. Geale is now Australia's chosen son and his best win is over Sylvester. Have you heard any stories of Proksa sparring?
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
I actually think that Proksa v. Sylvester could be a great boxing match. I'm almost as much looking forward to that fight as I am, Martinez v. Barker.
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
Has anyone seen the odds on this fight? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
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Rantcatrat
Has anyone seen the odds on this fight? Thanks in advance.
Would like to see them too. Proksa is exciting and intelligent, sadly his promotion lacked lately.
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
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Rantcatrat
Has anyone seen the odds on this fight? Thanks in advance.
Would like to see them too. Proksa is exciting and intelligent, sadly his promotion lacked lately.
This is a monstrous step up for him though. If he dominated Sylvester, the rest of the middleweight division would take notice.
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Grzegorz Proksa vs. Sebastian Sylvester, EBU championship
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU5fe4msxbM
I don't know: did Sylvester give up because of the cut or because he decided that Proksa is too fast for him? What's next for both of them?
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Re: Grzegorz Proksa vs. Sebastian Sylvester, EBU championship
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therealremi
Proksa looked suprisingly good. Frankly, I didn't expect him to look so good. Going into the fight, I thought Sylvester may have been too much too early for Proksa whose next best win was against Pablo Navescues, a relatively obscure European middleweight. Sylvester went the distance in a pretty tight fight against Geale and his only other loss in the last 5 years was against Sturm. Sylvester even drew with Roman Karmazin who is a game middleweight. Then Proksa goes to Sylvester's hometown and blows him out of the water to win the European middleweight belt. He looks like he'll be a real force in the middleweight division. I might favor Proksa against a lot of the division. They should have him fight on an Adamek undercard in New Jersey where there is a big Polish fan base.
Credit to CutmeMick on picking Proksa out of a crowded middleweight up and coming crowd a year or so ago. He was spot on with that call.
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
Watched this fight. Great call that long ago Mick. He is still improving and pretty much beat Sylvester up. Great statement to make. He'll be avoided for a bit I'd say after that win.
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
A couple things...
They def made some changes. However I cant say it's for the better... :-\
1st thing I noticed right away was his stance its wider.
His hands are always down and to the side.
Fights similar to Sergio Martinez that style doesnt necessairly suit everyone.
SS was on the defense the whole way through so we really didn't see him being tested.
SS has for the better part of his career been a bleeder. From the start as they announced their names I got a feeling just from looking at him that he didn't really want to be there and or he wasn't 100% there.
It's still a good win for Super G just don't think it was much of test.
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
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CutMeMick
A couple things...
They def made some changes. However I cant say it's for the better... :-\
1st thing I noticed right away was his stance its wider.
His hands are always down and to the side.
Fights similar to Sergio Martinez that style doesnt necessairly suit everyone.
SS was on the defense the whole way through so we really didn't see him being tested.
SS has for the better part of his career been a bleeder. From the start as they announced their names I got a feeling just from looking at him that he didn't really want to be there and or he wasn't 100% there.
It's still a good win for Super G just don't think it was much of test.
Cut - thing is, Sylvester fought toe to toe with Geale in his last fight and then Proksa destroyed him. Whether it was intimidation or what, I was super impressed. I didn't expect that. If Sylvester isn't good enough to test him, who is?
I was just thinking, wouldn't it be crazy to see Proksa and Pirog fight? Two slick eastern european fighters, who would have thought it, right?
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
Proksa was the most impressive of all the fighters I saw over the weekend. Seriously impressive.
Problem is now though, he's a Pole living in England without a following, so he's gonna get dodged like the plague by all the big names.
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
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Fenster
Proksa was the most impressive of all the fighters I saw over the weekend. Seriously impressive.
Problem is now though, he's a Pole living in England without a following, so he's gonna get dodged like the plague by all the big names.
His plan is to fight in Germany. His mandatory challenger is Sebastian Zbik. Allegedly, Ryan Rhodes and Matthew Macklin already backed out of a fight with him.
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
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Rantcatrat
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Fenster
Proksa was the most impressive of all the fighters I saw over the weekend. Seriously impressive.
Problem is now though, he's a Pole living in England without a following, so he's gonna get dodged like the plague by all the big names.
His plan is to fight in Germany. His mandatory challenger is Sebastian Zbik. Allegedly, Ryan Rhodes and Matthew Macklin already backed out of a fight with him.
I don't blame them if he has nothing to offer them. That's my point about him on the world stage.
He's just destroyed the Ring ranked no.4 middleweight and former "world" champion. A guy that's gone close with current champions Geale and Sturm. Proksa is already past the european title level. That's what Barker gave up to fight Martinez.
On his performance the weekend i'd back him to KO Barker.
Although, I was going through some of his old form and saw a British journeyman - Tyan Booth - wobble him quite badly before being knocked out.
Some bloody good matches can be made at middleweight.
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
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Fenster
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Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
Proksa was the most impressive of all the fighters I saw over the weekend. Seriously impressive.
Problem is now though, he's a Pole living in England without a following, so he's gonna get dodged like the plague by all the big names.
His plan is to fight in Germany. His mandatory challenger is Sebastian Zbik. Allegedly, Ryan Rhodes and Matthew Macklin already backed out of a fight with him.
I don't blame them if he has nothing to offer them. That's my point about him on the world stage.
He's just destroyed the Ring ranked no.4 middleweight and former "world" champion. A guy that's gone close with current champions Geale and Sturm. Proksa is already past the european title level. That's what Barker gave up to fight Martinez.
On his performance the weekend i'd back him to KO Barker.
Although, I was going through some of his old form and saw a British journeyman - Tyan Booth - wobble him quite badly before being knocked out.
Some bloody good matches can be made at middleweight.
All of a sudden, there are some fun tear ups to be made at middleweight. Proksa v. ____; Pirog v. ____; Martinez v. _____; even Barker or Macklin v. ____.
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
Never been a fan of Sylvester...very limited boxer who only got this far in boxing because he had a good management...against Proksa Sylvester looked shot...Proksa looked good but Sylvester didn't offer much resistance...
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
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JohnnyKickAss
Never been a fan of Sylvester...very limited boxer who only got this far in boxing because he had a good management...against Proksa Sylvester looked shot...Proksa looked good but Sylvester didn't offer much resistance...
But see against Geale he didn't look shot and that was only one fight ago, which means you have attribute to Sylvester looking the way he did because of the boxing prowess of Proksa.
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
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Rantcatrat
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JohnnyKickAss
Never been a fan of Sylvester...very limited boxer who only got this far in boxing because he had a good management...against Proksa Sylvester looked shot...Proksa looked good but Sylvester didn't offer much resistance...
But see against Geale he didn't look shot and that was only one fight ago, which means you have attribute to Sylvester looking the way he did because of the boxing prowess of Proksa.
Maybe,but...Sylvester looked sluggish to me,shoving his punches...that got nothing to do with Proska...him also being gun-shy was probably Proskas doing...
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
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JohnnyKickAss
Maybe,but...Sylvester looked sluggish to me,shoving his punches...that got nothing to do with Proska...him also being gun-shy was probably Proskas doing...
There is no "Proska", Proksa is pronounced "Proxa".
Seeing Sylvester's face after he entered the ring I also got the impression that he didn't want to be there.
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
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JohnnyKickAss
Never been a fan of Sylvester...very limited boxer who only got this far in boxing because he had a good management...against Proksa Sylvester looked shot...Proksa looked good but Sylvester didn't offer much resistance...
JohnnyBoy been a while... :D
How are things on the other side of the world?
Hope all is well.
Remember back when we were on here ranting and raving amount Amin vs. Sylvester 1?
I think you and were the only ones interested in the match up... ;D
Then later the rematch followed by a rubbermatch.
Back then they were both highly regarded contenders who had a lot to prove. To be honest I liked Amin slightly better then Sylvester when Amin won the 1st fight I thought surely he'd catapult into the title contention. But then something happened, he looked sloppy in his performances and performed poorly IMO.
I have to agree and like I said earlier I don't think Sylvester was much of test. Just the way I see it.
Some good possible opponents for Super G:
Roman Karmazin is always a good test
Marco Antonio Rubio is def. a good test
What's Ossie Duran up to these days?
Elvin Ayala
Giovanni Lorenzo
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
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CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by
JohnnyKickAss
Never been a fan of Sylvester...very limited boxer who only got this far in boxing because he had a good management...against Proksa Sylvester looked shot...Proksa looked good but Sylvester didn't offer much resistance...
JohnnyBoy been a while... :D
How are things on the other side of the world?
Hope all is well.
Remember back when we were on here ranting and raving amount Amin vs. Sylvester 1?
I think you and were the only ones interested in the match up... ;D
Then later the rematch followed by a rubbermatch.
Back then they were both highly regarded contenders who had a lot to prove. To be honest I liked Amin slightly better then Sylvester when Amin won the 1st fight I thought surely he'd catapult into the title contention. But then something happened, he looked sloppy in his performances and performed poorly IMO.
I have to agree and like I said earlier I don't think Sylvester was much of test. Just the way I see it.
Some good possible opponents for Super G:
Roman Karmazin is always a good test
Marco Antonio Rubio is def. a good test
What's Ossie Duran up to these days?
Elvin Ayala
Giovanni Lorenzo
What about Lemieux, if Proksa was willing to travel to Montreal he wouldn't have to worry about a fan base, he could probably get a decent payday and some TV exposure out. Plus he can get off that dreadful island!
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
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CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by
JohnnyKickAss
Never been a fan of Sylvester...very limited boxer who only got this far in boxing because he had a good management...against Proksa Sylvester looked shot...Proksa looked good but Sylvester didn't offer much resistance...
JohnnyBoy been a while... :D
How are things on the other side of the world?
Hope all is well.
Remember back when we were on here ranting and raving amount Amin vs. Sylvester 1?
I think you and were the only ones interested in the match up... ;D
Then later the rematch followed by a rubbermatch.
Back then they were both highly regarded contenders who had a lot to prove. To be honest I liked Amin slightly better then Sylvester when Amin won the 1st fight I thought surely he'd catapult into the title contention. But then something happened, he looked sloppy in his performances and performed poorly IMO.
I have to agree and like I said earlier I don't think Sylvester was much of test. Just the way I see it.
Some good possible opponents for Super G:
Roman Karmazin is always a good test
Marco Antonio Rubio is def. a good test
What's Ossie Duran up to these days?
Elvin Ayala
Giovanni Lorenzo
Well, to be fair, Zbik isn't a bad fight either if that is what he does now.
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I would die of shock if Lemiuexs people would face him against someone like Super G.
Chances are Lemiuex takes the Andy Lee route and takes it easy.
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Re: Let's see how good CutmeMick's prospect call was: Sylvester v. Gregorz Proksa
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Originally Posted by
therealremi
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Originally Posted by
JohnnyKickAss
Maybe,but...Sylvester looked sluggish to me,shoving his punches...that got nothing to do with Proska...him also being gun-shy was probably Proskas doing...
There is no "Proska", Proksa is pronounced "Proxa".
Seeing Sylvester's face after he entered the ring I also got the impression that he didn't want to be there.
Hmmm...I did it right in the earlier post...well...thanks for correcting this...
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CutMeMick
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Originally Posted by
JohnnyKickAss
Never been a fan of Sylvester...very limited boxer who only got this far in boxing because he had a good management...against Proksa Sylvester looked shot...Proksa looked good but Sylvester didn't offer much resistance...
JohnnyBoy been a while... :D
How are things on the other side of the world?
Hope all is well.
Remember back when we were on here ranting and raving amount Amin vs. Sylvester 1?
I think you and were the only ones interested in the match up... ;D
Then later the rematch followed by a rubbermatch.
Back then they were both highly regarded contenders who had a lot to prove. To be honest I liked Amin slightly better then Sylvester when Amin won the 1st fight I thought surely he'd catapult into the title contention. But then something happened, he looked sloppy in his performances and performed poorly IMO.
I have to agree and like I said earlier I don't think Sylvester was much of test. Just the way I see it.
Some good possible opponents for Super G:
Roman Karmazin is always a good test
Marco Antonio Rubio is def. a good test
What's Ossie Duran up to these days?
Elvin Ayala
Giovanni Lorenzo
Hey Mick...all is well here...hope the same goes where you are...bet you still stalking boxing celebs...;)
Anyway...Sylvester/Asikainen that was something...back in the days...
Don't know who Proksa fights next but it will be probably an eliminator...depends a bit on how good Proksas management is...
