Investigators conclude Gatti's death was a homicide | RingTV
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Investigators conclude Gatti's death was a homicide | RingTV
wouldn't doubt it a bit
Wow, I'm totally and completely not shocked at all.
Are you telling me this means there might be corruption and/or incompetence among the police in Brazil too?!?! Amazing!
Glad they came to that conclusion though.
hey as long as they're not just letting it go without further investigating the whole ordeal i'm all for it, it wouldn't be a bad idea to check up the whole Arguello "suicide" eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
This story sounds rather suspect to me.
One investigator is a television personality which is like Jesse Ventura being your main source in allegations of a 9/11 cover up, and the other, Paul Cioliono, who apparently has a great reputation because he worked on the Amanda Knox case. Seeing that case has been ballsed up so much that they are having to retrial I'm not sure that's a great reputation..:-\
I don't know about that one. The man turned on his principles, he sold himself out to return "home" and for a little bit maybe things were working and looking good, but once that illusion faded I'm certain Alexis wasn't pleased with his choices.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoraleshey as long as they're not just letting it go without further investigating the whole ordeal i'm all for it, it wouldn't be a bad idea to check up the whole Arguello "suicide" eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Arturo didn't have that kind of grief, I'm certain being married to Amanda Rodriguez had its downside, but the Sandinistas destroyed Arguello's life...they even shot his dog! I mean that's not a trivial thing at all. Arguello was locked out of his home country and the Sandinistas trashed it starting with Arguello's house. They may have killed him but the way I see it Arguello had a logical reason (if there can ever be one) to kill himself, Gatti did not.
If Gatti was going to kill himself then #1 Why hanging? #2 Why hanging by a purse strap and #3 Why on the stairs?
Sure he COULD have chosen all that being drunk and maybe drugged up, but it doesn't make sense to me. Too much work, it takes too long to die, and it could fail at any point in his trying it.
I think Gatti got to the apt, wanted to continue the argument with Amanda who by that time had called someone over to handle Arturo. Somebody confronts Gatti and perhaps (just perhaps) the guy knows ju jitsu (the Brazilians are big on it) and chokes Arturo out, but doesn't let go and you've got yourself an accidental homicide. Hell it could go any number of ways.
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
Let me get this straight, are you blaming a Gracie for this?
....I'm just sayin'
Beyond Hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Man found dead under stairwell. Next to body is broken ligature and knocked over stool.
Is it -
a) suicide by hanging?
or
b) the work of a brazilian ju jitsu expert?
Hmmm......
Yeah a quick look at wikipedia shows that hanging is only the second most common form of suicide in America behind firearms. (incidently hanging is numner 1 in Brazil) Presumabely if he had been shot in the face then that would have been less suspicious to Lyle's trained eye.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterBeyond Hilarious.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Man found dead under stairwell. Next to body is broken ligature and knocked over stool.
Is it -
a) suicide by hanging?
or
b) the work of a brazilian ju jitsu expert?
Hmmm......
There's "experts" that will testify that Kurt Cobain didn't shoot his own face off. If you pay people enough they'll find whatever you're looking for. Fact.
Man suffering from depression. Has drink and drugs history. Marriage in trouble. Goes on trip to repair marriage. Gets drunk. Attacks wife. Bystanders prevent him from attacking wife. Attacks bystanders. Bystanders take wife away. Man gets taxi home. Drinks half-a-dozen cans of lager. Clearly man is not in great mood.
Next morning man found dead. Broken ligature. Knocked over stool.
All the hallmarks of a suicide, right? Don't be silly!!! All the hallmarks of a homicide. Fact.
I googled the lead PI in this new investigation Paul Ciolono He's apparently also defending Amanda Knox against wrongful charge of murder, and some Effron Paredez guy who was supposedly wrongly convicted of murder 20 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
He's either three times succesfully uncovered the truth in controversial cases or else he earns his money being the go to guy for those trying to dig stuff up to get convictions overturned or suicide verdicts overuled.
Apparently his fee@s start at $50,000 for the initial consultation...
I'm hedging more towards the moneygrabbing opportunist than the justice seeking truth bearer I have to say.
I think that we're gonna have to wait for the proofs to be shown as apparently, he did get some of the best experts that will show step by step why suicide was impossible (let's see the proofs and arguments, we shouldn't wait very long as it is due for the end of the month). One thing that leaked a while ago was that they made several tests using the exact same model of purse and it was ruled 100% out that Gatti could have hung himself with that kind of purse. Once again, we'll have to see if it was rumors or not but if that test has been really made, it is quite interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI googled the lead PI in this new investigation Paul Ciolono He's apparently also defending Amanda Knox against wrongful charge of murder, and some Effron Paredez guy who was supposedly wrongly convicted of murder 20 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
He's either three times succesfully uncovered the truth in controversial cases or else he earns his money being the go to guy for those trying to dig stuff up to get convictions overturned or suicide verdicts overuled.
Apparently his fee@s start at $50,000 for the initial consultation...
I'm hedging more towards the moneygrabbing opportunist than the justice seeking truth bearer I have to say.
I remember reading the Michael Baden's report from his own autopsy and in it he said that there were interesting bruises non declared in the first Gatti'sautopsy report by the brazilian coroners and in his conclusion, he said that he couldn'T rule out the murder hypothesis because there were too many unclear and dubious things in the autopsy.
To be fair - if I had to spend all day investigating the gorgeous Amanda Knox i'd find her innocent too.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI googled the lead PI in this new investigation Paul Ciolono He's apparently also defending Amanda Knox against wrongful charge of murder, and some Effron Paredez guy who was supposedly wrongly convicted of murder 20 years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
He's either three times succesfully uncovered the truth in controversial cases or else he earns his money being the go to guy for those trying to dig stuff up to get convictions overturned or suicide verdicts overuled.
Apparently his fee@s start at $50,000 for the initial consultation...
I'm hedging more towards the moneygrabbing opportunist than the justice seeking truth bearer I have to say.
Fenster I'm with you on that mate. I posted as much on my facebook a few months ago but people thought I was sick. She's way too pretty to be a killer though. Killers are fat and ugly looking, like that cat bin woman. She's killed in her time, of that I have no doubt.
Anyone ever think that maybe Gatti wanted to see how the purse looked on him so he put it around his neck, started walking up the stair to get to a mirror, tripped and fell over the side and the strap got caught and youve got an accidental suicide ;D
It seems sorta wrong to find a convicted killer attractive but surely that don't make us sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Killer or not she's fucking hot. Fact.
That version is about 100 times more likely than Lyle's Brazilian kung fu expert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Snakey
I'm not really sure what to think about this. This investigation was paid for by Gatti's family...is it common for investigators to come up with findings that make the client happy?
I didn't get suspicious in Gatti's apparent suicide in itself, we have little idea what was going on inside his head, he had a history of alcohol abuse, and watching him fight, it was of course very possible that he was suffering from brain trauma (look at the studies correlating puglistia dementia & CTE with depression). On the other hand, Gatti's wife suddenly being the benificiary of the life insurance policy, and an investigation apparently testing the purse strap and saying it was unlikely to hold Gatti's weight, makes me suspicious.
On a side note, I can't stand it when people say "oh look at how much heart Gatti had in the ring, no way he would give up on life!"......FFS, things are MUCH more complex than that.