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Tough one. If he stays on the inside and makes it a rough fight, Ward could pull off a semi-boring ugly decision, maybe. the network kisses wards asshole, but he really hasn't impressed me that much so far. i thought he fought kinda dirty at times.
But something tells me that Froch is gonna take him. He has looked like a beast lately and seems like one tough MF. I believe ultimately froch's heart & strength will overcome wards skill and inside grappling. so let's hope!!! :)
it's a tough one.
I like both guys and I think Froch has been one of the bright spots in boxing for the past couple of years. That being said when I play this fight out in my mind I just don't see Froch getting to Ward. I think its going to be an ugly but intelligently fought bout by Ward and he wins a wide decision. I definitely think Froch will have his moments and may hurt Andre early but my gut and brain are saying Ward will be victorious.
I personally did not see anything specifically special about Froch except that he has an awkward style that meshes with Ward's style of boxing. The fight itself could be technical and Ward stays on the outside but truthfully Froch has been in some ugly ones coming up as well. Ward's jab and movement would prove difficult for Froch. Froch can be a bit of a beast as well as he was with Dirrell and Abraham. I like Ward but Froch has power I think Ward will win a decisision but not by a wide margin unless he suddenly KO's Froch
this thread will be full of posts about froch's lack of skill and ward will win by easy descision
Froch by KO
Ward is going to make it looks easy. I'll predict a 117-111 UD.
I'd love to see Froch win, but I just can't envision it happening.
What makes you think Froch will win easily?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
Im looking fprward to see Frochs physical strength against Ward. Look at Wards fight with Bika. Bika had good success against him by just fighting wild. Froch is a slightly more refined version. I think Ward will struggle with Froch who has good stamina and will still be strong in the last few rounds. I can see a very close decision either way but hope Froch wins. No one enjoys watching Ward smother opponents. Hatton got moaned at about it in his fights but with Ward its skillfull!
I dont know why refs let it go on. Ok let the action continue but no effective punches can be thrown from a clinch anyway! It comes to something when part of your game plan is to have to hold. Froch doesnt mind taking a shot to give one and wont be intimidated as some were to let his hands go against Ward.
Admitedly I haven't seen a great deal of Ward, but from what I have seen, I agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Me to , i see Froch being outpointedQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG HAdmitedly I haven't seen a great deal of Ward, but from what I have seen, I agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
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Originally Posted by BIG HAdmitedly I haven't seen a great deal of Ward, but from what I have seen, I agree with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Same here
I think Im mentally tuned to always pick against Froch to be honest but THIS time I will be right!!!!!
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Originally Posted by CFHWhat makes you think Froch will win easily?Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
i dont think he will win easy, i reckon it will be a good fight, Ward is usually in shit fights but froch will make him fight on the inside rather than letting him smother as usual
everyone is saying it is froch who will need a plan C but I dont think so, i reckon the styles clash in froch's favour and ward will have to adapt and fight out of his confort zone
Ward will try his usual, get hit with some big punches early on, and by the late rounds it will take its toll and Froch will stop him
Ward will try not to allow Froch to fight...
For Ward's sake I hope he comes in in fucking good shape... with stamina like he's never had because he's gonna need it.
Froch has made two good points this week during the press conference tour
1. Jesus can't punch the skin off a rice pudding
and
2. when Jesus sticks the nut on him he'll be getting the nut back
Froch loses a controversial PTS decision. Or possibly gets DQ'd.
Ward...Easy.
Too good for Froch, when somebody has more than an amateur level of skill, Froch get's frustrated.
Erics44, you unabashedly support British fighters even when they miserably fail you (e.g. Haye) so I can't help but admire your pride. Froch, unlike Haye, is a proven warrior who brings the fight. I've picked against Froch in the past and been wrong. When I first heard of Froch, I rooted against him because he can come off like a brash, arrogant pr*ck, but he has grown on me so much so that now I believe he really is what's good about boxing. He travels to fight the best. He takes his training seriously and always comes intothe fight prepared well. I'm a Froch fan. I even was in the minority who thought he beat Kessler. Stand up Nottingham!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I also am not a huge fan of Ward's style. Maybe it's because he seems to lack a killer instinct or because he can't punch. Maybe I wish he came down a little harder on Dirrell for dodging him. Maybe it's his preaching religous stuff. I can't put my finger on it. He just hasn't won me over yet for some reason.
I'll be rooting for Froch in this fight against Ward, which is odd for me because usually I root for the American. I believe, however, Froch is the underdog for a reason. I don't see how Froch gets to Ward enough to win. His best chance is to hurt Ward and take him out, but Ward doesn't tire, he fought all 12 rounds against Sakio Bika without tiring. I've also noticed that Froch's power hasn't translated at the top level. When was the last time Froch knocked anyone down or out? 2 years ago? Ward will model his fight on the Direll fight, but he'll engage Froch more than Direll. It'll likely be another Ward stinker.
I'll say this: I won't be surprised if Froch wins any fight because he is a legitimate solid fighter, but the odds are against him this time.
On that note, I'm going to watch the Darnell Boone v. Andre Ward fight (Ward gets knocked down) and a few old Froch fights before I finalize my opinion.
Oh and Erics44, I'm sure you already know this but you got the heavyweight fights you were waiting for this weekend in Povetkin v. Chagaev and Helenius v. Liakovich.
Froch beat Kessler IMO too, i think if there was a little less hate for Froch then more people would see it that wayQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratErics44, you unabashedly support British fighters even when they miserably fail you (e.g. Haye) so I can't help but admire your pride. Froch, unlike Haye, is a proven warrior who brings the fight. I've picked against Froch in the past and been wrong. When I first heard of Froch, I rooted against him because he can come off like a brash, arrogant pr*ck, but he has grown on me so much so that now I believe he really is what's good about boxing. He travels to fight the best. He takes his training seriously and always comes intothe fight prepared well. I'm a Froch fan. I even was in the minority who thought he beat Kessler. Stand up Nottingham!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I also am not a huge fan of Ward's style. Maybe it's because he seems to lack a killer instinct or because he can't punch. Maybe I wish he came down a little harder on Dirrell for dodging him. Maybe it's his preaching religous stuff. I can't put my finger on it. He just hasn't won me over yet for some reason.
I'll be rooting for Froch in this fight against Ward, which is odd for me because usually I root for the American. I believe, however, Froch is the underdog for a reason. I don't see how Froch gets to Ward enough to win. His best chance is to hurt Ward and take him out, but Ward doesn't tire, he fought all 12 rounds against Sakio Bika without tiring. I've also noticed that Froch's power hasn't translated at the top level. When was the last time Froch knocked anyone down or out? 2 years ago? Ward will model his fight on the Direll fight, but he'll engage Froch more than Direll. It'll likely be another Ward stinker.
I'll say this: I won't be surprised if Froch wins any fight because he is a legitimate solid fighter, but the odds are against him this time.
On that note, I'm going to watch the Darnell Boone v. Andre Ward fight (Ward gets knocked down) and a few old Froch fights before I finalize my opinion.
he landed a lot more than Kessler and looked a lot stronger through out the fight, all Kessler did was come forward
I am a fan of british fighters yes but i am not biast after a fight, I thought hatton lost to collazo, i thought haye was lucky to get the nod against Valuev (and there are many other examples i just cant think of right now). Ive watched the Froch Kessler fight 3 or 4 times and i just cant see a case for Kes
I thought Froch beat Dirrell due to negativity but I can see a case for people thinking the other way round so i understand the argument, but again I dont see a case for Kes
I supported David Haye for 2 reasons - because he is British and because I actually thought he might win and we might get a HW division back, and just to put the record straight he didnt miserably fail me. He was unified Cruiserweight Champ and HW champ and had some exciting fights along the way, I hope Britain get another fighter like that soon
My view on the Klit Haye fight now is (and i think this is objective) people are a little hard on haye for his performance, yes it wasnt fun to watch. But He went to germany and gave away all of the advantages and for the last 10 years we have had no excitement in the HW division in or out of the ring and for the first time in that time haye created that. So yes he didnt deliver but he does deserve credit
when is the next time we will have any excitement with the HWs?
As for Froch and Ward, I think Ward is Overrated, who has he fought in his carear and then who to get to the supersix final? Abraham? Froch did a better job, his one shining result is Kessler
You mention Bika, yes tough as old boots but beaten soundly a number of times before
And Froch does have power, the people he has fought in the last 2 years dont get knocked out
ooooooo i think i just come in my pantsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
by the way, sorry for the long reply, i think thats the most ive ever written in one post
Hah. I'm not sure if that was sarcasm, but honestly, I expect both of the fights to be pretty solid scraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooooooo i think i just come in my pantsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
by the way, sorry for the long reply, i think thats the most ive ever written in one post
yep ill be watchingQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratHah. I'm not sure if that was sarcasm, but honestly, I expect both of the fights to be pretty solid scraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooooooo i think i just come in my pantsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
by the way, sorry for the long reply, i think thats the most ive ever written in one post
hopefully provetkin can live up to some of that potential, and helenuis is good to watch, seems to put it on the line
i think you bring this up because of a disussion in another thread? and my point in that wasnt that there isnt some good fights out there, it was more that there isnt any great fights
i understand. i just think that when you look beyond the excitement and bombast, you'll see that you in terms of good heavyweight boxing, there are other good fights including a couple this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44yep ill be watchingQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratHah. I'm not sure if that was sarcasm, but honestly, I expect both of the fights to be pretty solid scraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooooooo i think i just come in my pantsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
by the way, sorry for the long reply, i think thats the most ive ever written in one post
hopefully provetkin can live up to some of that potential, and helenuis is good to watch, seems to put it on the line
i think you bring this up because of a disussion in another thread? and my point in that wasnt that there isnt some good fights out there, it was more that there isnt any great fights
like i said ill be watching :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrati understand. i just think that when you look beyond the excitement and bombast, you'll see that you in terms of good heavyweight boxing, there are other good fights including a couple this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44yep ill be watchingQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratHah. I'm not sure if that was sarcasm, but honestly, I expect both of the fights to be pretty solid scraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44ooooooo i think i just come in my pantsQuote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
by the way, sorry for the long reply, i think thats the most ive ever written in one post
hopefully provetkin can live up to some of that potential, and helenuis is good to watch, seems to put it on the line
i think you bring this up because of a disussion in another thread? and my point in that wasnt that there isnt some good fights out there, it was more that there isnt any great fights
also that massive post ive just done above, the longest post ive ever written, and youve got nothing to say back?
I can see how you would think Ward is overrated. Bute performed better against Miranda and Bika. Froch looked better against Abraham. However, I was impressed with Ward's win over Kessler assuming Kessler was all there that fight. I believe Ward is a master of distance and he either smothers someone and moves away or gets in and out well. I just see Froch having a tough time finding him with his punches. Froch will do his homework and give it his all though, that I'm certain of.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Froch beat Kessler IMO too, i think if there was a little less hate for Froch then more people would see it that wayQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratErics44, you unabashedly support British fighters even when they miserably fail you (e.g. Haye) so I can't help but admire your pride. Froch, unlike Haye, is a proven warrior who brings the fight. I've picked against Froch in the past and been wrong. When I first heard of Froch, I rooted against him because he can come off like a brash, arrogant pr*ck, but he has grown on me so much so that now I believe he really is what's good about boxing. He travels to fight the best. He takes his training seriously and always comes intothe fight prepared well. I'm a Froch fan. I even was in the minority who thought he beat Kessler. Stand up Nottingham!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I also am not a huge fan of Ward's style. Maybe it's because he seems to lack a killer instinct or because he can't punch. Maybe I wish he came down a little harder on Dirrell for dodging him. Maybe it's his preaching religous stuff. I can't put my finger on it. He just hasn't won me over yet for some reason.
I'll be rooting for Froch in this fight against Ward, which is odd for me because usually I root for the American. I believe, however, Froch is the underdog for a reason. I don't see how Froch gets to Ward enough to win. His best chance is to hurt Ward and take him out, but Ward doesn't tire, he fought all 12 rounds against Sakio Bika without tiring. I've also noticed that Froch's power hasn't translated at the top level. When was the last time Froch knocked anyone down or out? 2 years ago? Ward will model his fight on the Direll fight, but he'll engage Froch more than Direll. It'll likely be another Ward stinker.
I'll say this: I won't be surprised if Froch wins any fight because he is a legitimate solid fighter, but the odds are against him this time.
On that note, I'm going to watch the Darnell Boone v. Andre Ward fight (Ward gets knocked down) and a few old Froch fights before I finalize my opinion.
he landed a lot more than Kessler and looked a lot stronger through out the fight, all Kessler did was come forward
I am a fan of british fighters yes but i am not biast after a fight, I thought hatton lost to collazo, i thought haye was lucky to get the nod against Valuev (and there are many other examples i just cant think of right now). Ive watched the Froch Kessler fight 3 or 4 times and i just cant see a case for Kes
I thought Froch beat Dirrell due to negativity but I can see a case for people thinking the other way round so i understand the argument, but again I dont see a case for Kes
I supported David Haye for 2 reasons - because he is British and because I actually thought he might win and we might get a HW division back, and just to put the record straight he didnt miserably fail me. He was unified Cruiserweight Champ and HW champ and had some exciting fights along the way, I hope Britain get another fighter like that soon
My view on the Klit Haye fight now is (and i think this is objective) people are a little hard on haye for his performance, yes it wasnt fun to watch. But He went to germany and gave away all of the advantages and for the last 10 years we have had no excitement in the HW division in or out of the ring and for the first time in that time haye created that. So yes he didnt deliver but he does deserve credit
when is the next time we will have any excitement with the HWs?
As for Froch and Ward, I think Ward is Overrated, who has he fought in his carear and then who to get to the supersix final? Abraham? Froch did a better job, his one shining result is Kessler
You mention Bika, yes tough as old boots but beaten soundly a number of times before
And Froch does have power, the people he has fought in the last 2 years dont get knocked out
As for heavyweights, I think what you're missing is the charisma of heavyweights from eras ago. Ali, Marciano, Louis, Tyson all had a certain swagger about them that the Klithscko's allegedly don't possess. They aren't big talkers. They don't have a strong killer intinsct. They are technicians like Mayweather. They dominate, they win, but that's all. Am I right?
This is a "pick 'um" fight, but i'll be pulling for Froch, I can't stand the SOG, so I hope Carl can pull it off.
yep, there is a lack of someone with a big punch too (appart from the Klits)Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratI can see how you would think Ward is overrated. Bute performed better against Miranda and Bika. Froch looked better against Abraham. However, I was impressed with Ward's win over Kessler assuming Kessler was all there that fight. I believe Ward is a master of distance and he either smothers someone and moves away or gets in and out well. I just see Froch having a tough time finding him with his punches. Froch will do his homework and give it his all though, that I'm certain of.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Froch beat Kessler IMO too, i think if there was a little less hate for Froch then more people would see it that wayQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratErics44, you unabashedly support British fighters even when they miserably fail you (e.g. Haye) so I can't help but admire your pride. Froch, unlike Haye, is a proven warrior who brings the fight. I've picked against Froch in the past and been wrong. When I first heard of Froch, I rooted against him because he can come off like a brash, arrogant pr*ck, but he has grown on me so much so that now I believe he really is what's good about boxing. He travels to fight the best. He takes his training seriously and always comes intothe fight prepared well. I'm a Froch fan. I even was in the minority who thought he beat Kessler. Stand up Nottingham!Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
I also am not a huge fan of Ward's style. Maybe it's because he seems to lack a killer instinct or because he can't punch. Maybe I wish he came down a little harder on Dirrell for dodging him. Maybe it's his preaching religous stuff. I can't put my finger on it. He just hasn't won me over yet for some reason.
I'll be rooting for Froch in this fight against Ward, which is odd for me because usually I root for the American. I believe, however, Froch is the underdog for a reason. I don't see how Froch gets to Ward enough to win. His best chance is to hurt Ward and take him out, but Ward doesn't tire, he fought all 12 rounds against Sakio Bika without tiring. I've also noticed that Froch's power hasn't translated at the top level. When was the last time Froch knocked anyone down or out? 2 years ago? Ward will model his fight on the Direll fight, but he'll engage Froch more than Direll. It'll likely be another Ward stinker.
I'll say this: I won't be surprised if Froch wins any fight because he is a legitimate solid fighter, but the odds are against him this time.
On that note, I'm going to watch the Darnell Boone v. Andre Ward fight (Ward gets knocked down) and a few old Froch fights before I finalize my opinion.
he landed a lot more than Kessler and looked a lot stronger through out the fight, all Kessler did was come forward
I am a fan of british fighters yes but i am not biast after a fight, I thought hatton lost to collazo, i thought haye was lucky to get the nod against Valuev (and there are many other examples i just cant think of right now). Ive watched the Froch Kessler fight 3 or 4 times and i just cant see a case for Kes
I thought Froch beat Dirrell due to negativity but I can see a case for people thinking the other way round so i understand the argument, but again I dont see a case for Kes
I supported David Haye for 2 reasons - because he is British and because I actually thought he might win and we might get a HW division back, and just to put the record straight he didnt miserably fail me. He was unified Cruiserweight Champ and HW champ and had some exciting fights along the way, I hope Britain get another fighter like that soon
My view on the Klit Haye fight now is (and i think this is objective) people are a little hard on haye for his performance, yes it wasnt fun to watch. But He went to germany and gave away all of the advantages and for the last 10 years we have had no excitement in the HW division in or out of the ring and for the first time in that time haye created that. So yes he didnt deliver but he does deserve credit
when is the next time we will have any excitement with the HWs?
As for Froch and Ward, I think Ward is Overrated, who has he fought in his carear and then who to get to the supersix final? Abraham? Froch did a better job, his one shining result is Kessler
You mention Bika, yes tough as old boots but beaten soundly a number of times before
And Froch does have power, the people he has fought in the last 2 years dont get knocked out
As for heavyweights, I think what you're missing is the charisma of heavyweights from eras ago. Ali, Marciano, Louis, Tyson all had a certain swagger about them that the Klithscko's allegedly don't possess. They aren't big talkers. They don't have a strong killer intinsct. They are technicians like Mayweather. They dominate, they win, but that's all. Am I right?
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Originally Posted by erics44
not me bro, I'm with you!!! FROCH!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNeJ6RXkgoM
Ward down in round 4. Keep in mind that Boone has a 18% KO %.
I'm going with Froch in this one. I haven't seen an awful lot of Ward but he just doesn't impress me very much. Maybe I should watch some more of his fights first but I see Froch taking him late.
Dont think iv seen that clip!
Put it this way, if Froch gets him hurt and Ward does all that ineffective holding and floundering Froch will finish him. Ward looked badly hurt there!
What Is it with WBA champs having dodgy chins???
Also to shoot all posters down froch must throw every jab and punch only to the body to win as ward will dodge fully loaded shots from froch.
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Originally Posted by ross
pretty short punch too, not like there was any momentum
doubt you can read that much into it tho
Even Nigel Benn who didnt have the best chin never got dropped like that by a journeyman as he was coming up and as for Eubank you would never see a reaction like that from any current super middle.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
pretty short punch too, not like there was any momentum
doubt you can read that much into it tho
It does say that his chin isnt great. A chin doesnt improve like skills or experience do as you progres.
Your right, you shouldn't read into it.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
pretty short punch too, not like there was any momentum
doubt you can read that much into it tho
Look at who Ward has fought over recent years.
Miranda, Kessler, Bika, Abraham and even Green.
All those guys have a good punch especially Abraham and Miranda.
None of those guys were able to hurt or drop Ward.
Maybe Froch has the power to hurt Ward but it's not likely imo.
Ward will UD him imo. It will be a tough but clear decision win for him.
Ward wins points, too fast, too good and better boxer. Froch needs to rough up Andre like he did his mate Dirrell but see Ward as too seasoned to fall for that type of assault from Froch. I hope I am wrong because Carl deserves to be "made" for taking on the best and making it entertaining.
Carl wants winner takes all on the purses , looks like he means business. :D
Carl Froch always means business and always comes to fight; that's why so many of us have been won over by him. I have no doubt that in his mind there is no way Ward can beat him, I just don't see things the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
I've always known carl would forfill his potential as a great champion. Hes an exciting fighter and I really hope he can beat Ward out of any fighter at 168 I think he has the best chance of achieving this with his resume of great wins of good fighters. It's a very tough fight for both men and I think it will be a close decision either way. I don't see how anybody thinks Ward will beat him easily, there's never an easy nights work with carl froch and he will show that in this fight. Both me will have to put on a career best fight to take this and im backing froch all the way. I can't wait for this fight!!
I know. I remember you talking about him years ago, well before anyone really knew who he was. I did the same thing with Steve Molitor, that didn't work out so well :p.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
I just can't stand Ward's smother/clinch-hit bullshit. Fuck that.
Fight like a man, with no tricks or laying all over a man so he cant fight.
I hope Froch ko's him, and I'm american!!!
Something tells me that Froch will probably need a KO if he wants a win.
I have seen way too many robberies of foreign fighters as of late. It's sickening.
And Ward is the networks "boy", so look for bullshit scores, and a blind ref!!! :)