Joe Calzaghe 46 AND O what more can i say love him or hate him not bad, for some one that slap's or so some people say.;D;D;D
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Joe Calzaghe 46 AND O what more can i say love him or hate him not bad, for some one that slap's or so some people say.;D;D;D
oh no the welsh troll is back again !!
46 AND O Doe's it make some people SICK.;D;D
its an irrelevant statistic when he didnt fight the best available to him
As much as Di Bando is trying to annoy people, what you say has been done to death. I.e who he fought, who he didn't and why and nobody has yet found any argument that Calzaghe didn't face the best at SMW that 'was available to him'Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmanhatton
I think he pretty much did fight the best guys available, but he was in a relatively weak era.
Agreed on both counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luckystu72
Kessler was his best win imo. Bute, Ward, Dirrel and Froch would all have been better than anybody else that he fought. BUT...he did beat the best available and we cannot knocked that and who's to say that he wouldn't have beaten better fighters had they been available.
46 and 0 by the way 3 ABA'S
What's wrong Calzaghe was the best we had,is it because he is FROM WALE'S and he is a winner people dont like winner's 46 AND O AND 3 ABA'S.;D;D;D
Calzaghe was a great fighter no doubt...but for the rest of his life everyone knows he never fought a prime roy jones and he never would.
Frank warren helped him have a clean slate.
Against a prime james toney he would have had problems but we will never ever know.
Why fight an up an coming carl froch when you can fight a dangerous deadly peter manfredo!!
Lol
Well joe was tailking to froch a few year's back about fighting and the word's were the MONEY HAS TO BE WRIGHT, it's all about the money pro boxer's dont fight for fun. so that's it .there is a small time scale in pro boxing make your money and as much as you can.:):):)
It was the money with roy jones as well then and all the other elite boxers.
Ll
Joe is a great boxer but lets be real. There were other fighters during his prime he avoided and thats why there is always that question mark over some of his choices.
Justify peter manfredo...
That theory has been disproved many times on here mate. RJJ wasn't even at SMW for one, but I aint gonna go back over the politics with that fight. RJJ is not a great example if you are trying to pick on people's resumes coz his is shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
I would like to see who you think Joe avoided between 1997 and 2008 at SMW.
I already stated joe was a great fighter fella..but it was obvious rjj went on for too long.
I just felt robbed that a few years before joe fought roy he said in his book he was way past his prime and then decided to fight him.
Not everyone has to agree but there are many who think he didnt face up to the best competition..but then they say the same about
mayweather
Horses, courses.
Joe should have taken on Sven Ottke and he will eternally be embarrassed that Sven was ranked higher than him when he unified some of the belts. Jow would have beaten Sven but, we will never know.
Yes i can go with that my point about this post' is we should get behind our champ's we dont do that it's a pity if Joe was from the USA with his record of 46 and o we would not here the end of it but that's how it go's. Roy Jone's a few year's back was fighting a bum a month but nothing said about that. ;);)
Joe Calzaghe's record states he retired unbeaten ,
The End.
Why is anyone responding to this idiot.:confused:
As we say in wale's there will be a welcome in the hill side but not one in your house.;D;D
Joe is not welsh..he was born in london..the best city in the world.
Calzaghe is a great fighter and anyone who thinks otherwise is clearly an inferior human being. Calzaghe was my favourite fighter and I won't hear a bad word said about him. Calzaghe couldn't sucker punch a bee, but never needed to resort to it. A truly sublime, exciting and skilled fighter and no need for that 20 punches a round, tag team Cortez, boring Mayweather nonsense.
P4P Calzaghe outworks Floyd and makes him weep and fall into the arms of Ellerbe. Calzaghe was greater than SRR, SRL and Joe Pesci combined.
Yeah, dont forget ali as well.
Joe could probably get into mma and kick anderson silva ass as well.
Lol
All good fun.
Thats total bullshit we love Wales, its the welsh we hate. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Whoops we'll have to love him then :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by imp
His mother is WELSH what doe's he SAY TO PEOPLE I AM WELSH ;););)
so does mine and your records hehe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
tbh i loved JC until the Hopkins fought when his skills got shown up, and he had things to say about Bhop AFTER the fight, which was unecesary. I still like him but he waas lucky he was in a fledging weight division, or he wouldnt be unbeaten.
I was never a calzaghe fan until I saw him putting that boring ass hopkins in his place. Bernard tried to intimidate him with his usual, ignorant shitalking yet Calzaghe wasn't fazed at all.. He actually laughed it off cuz he really didnt give a fuck what this ignorant man was yapping about. Fuckin dirty ass boring punk. Talkin about how he'll never lose to a white boy but then he ends up getting anally raped inside the ring. Man fuck this racist prick.
Anyway, I was never able to get used to Calzaghe because of his punching technique. I know it had to do with his brittle hands but his slapping ways was very unwatchable most of the times. Great fighter though..
Joe has had very bad hand's early as a pro he was a big puncher,but with all the hand trouble he had to turn more to his boxing.And i would say B Hop is a cock was then and still is to this day. i hate that man.
JC is one of the best British fighters definitely, but not THE best.
Pro boxing might be all about money but if that's the case don't moan when you're fighter gets criticised for not taking on certain opposition earlier. Just be happy that you're fighter is filthy rich.
Calzaghe barely travelled, fought a lot of people who were undeserving, pulled out of fights due to injury. Not all his fault I admit and not insulting him but these things have to be taken in to consideration when assessing someone's career.
Lacy was a good performance but he was a hype job. Hopkins performance looks better and better every year but was by the skin of his teeth hardly dominated and set the world alight. Kessler fight was probably his best. He was considered by many to be the next best in the division but had home advantage. (nothing wrong with that but just pointing out a massive advantage).
Carl Froch may have lost against Kessler but was in kessler's place and has faced more top guys 1 after the other than Calzaghe ever did. - Comparing JC against Froch is another discussion i know. ;D
Froch has eclipsed Calzaghe now. If he had picked his fights he'd be unbeaten too.
I really do want the Big Man from Nottingham to take Ward, but its asking a lot at 34.
A lot of people think Carl would have got knocked out by JC but I cant see that happening, and most likely the Calzo would get a points victory by going all slappy as is his habit.
Good post, I agree Froch has eclipsed JC too. If he had the same exposure as calzaghe that would be the opinion of a lot more people.Quote:
Originally Posted by RohanKnight
If Froch beats Ward it'll be one of my favourite wins ever for a fighter. He has done it all the hard way and it would be the icing on the cake.
No way would Froch have been stopped by calzaghe. He may have had some tricky moments getting caught on the ropes and JC's flurries would look more damaging than they really were but Froch is so tough, amazing chin and he'll happily stand toe to toe with anyone. Not sure styles would have made it a good fight i reckon JC would have made it a shit fight and not wanted to engage at all. Would have been frustrating to watch and JC would have probably won a disputed decision.
Carl froch fights anyone anywhere..joe doesnt.
Joe would prob still outbox him..but we will never know.
Joe ducked glen johnson many times and eventually frank warren will be exposed as to the amount of fights were swayed to his favor and the neverending injuries!
Joe is still a great boxer but undefeated for many reasons.
Someone here mentioned Carl Froch as a 'should of been' opponent.... But I'm not sure they realise that back then it was laughable that Froch was using Calzaghe's name to gain... He was still a novice at the time.
He didn't avoid anyone but he could of made more an effort to make the big fights happen, this whole crap about being scared to fly is a cop out. He should of moved up from Super Middleweight years ago and fought Tarver, Jones, Johnson.
Let me get this right - Froch has ecplised Cazlaghe even though he lost to a man Calzaghe comfortably beat?
Calzaghe schools Kessler. Froch loses to Kessler. That makes Froch better? Hmmm....
If FRoch-Calzaghe ever happened there's only one winner. Froch is a tortoise for Calzaghe. Borderline mismatch.
Froch may not have been stopped but he sure as hell wouldn't have beaten Calzaghe. He'd have literally no chance imo.
All you Froch fan's your man give's his all but Joe was a diffrent level ALL I GOT TO SAY 46 AND 0 ;D;D;D;D:sheep: Mr Knight you just come off the Froch forum what it must make you just a little sick your man 's not THAT GOOD
ah, come on thats very unfair. I am a fan of both of them. and I dislike them both in some ways Carl for beng a big mouth and JC for fighting nobodies forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Froch has fought (and won versus) better boxers, theres no doubt about it now. His limits have been exposed, but so have JCs. Joe struggled against a cagey, even dirty, fighter like B-Hop (although he won on workrate and fitness obviously). So a fit Bhop who didnt gass might well have got the decision on him back in the early Norties. JC wouldnt be 46-0 if hadnt cherry picked - but hes not alone in that respect. Sugar Ray Leonard cherrypicked too.
My point rests on the fact that Carl Froch has beaten a greater number of better fighters than JC, and desnt cherrypick - this cant really be denied, can it? If you still deny it, consider this - if JC had fought and beaten the fighters Carl Froch has done in the last few years, would he be a greater champion than he is now? Well of course he would a greater champion with even more respect, in fact he would be a much more revered champion with all his doubters won over....and so clearly and blatantly what Carl has done boosts his resume prodigiously too. You cant have your cake and eat it with this argument.
Not denying that JC was the most accomplished at holding the title of supermiddleweight champion, and clearly make the list of the top ten supermiddleweights ever. But Froch clearly has the superior RESUME, just as you would have to say a 'parallel world' Calzaghe who fought all the fighters Froch has would definitely be superior in resume to 'our world' Calzaghe.
just as long as you Calzaghe fans stop using Eubank, a great fighter to prop up Joe's record, praise the man all you want