http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNqf4...layer_embedded
Look at this realistically I am a Floyd fan but I also realise he's a prick but Victor got what he deserved.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNqf4...layer_embedded
Look at this realistically I am a Floyd fan but I also realise he's a prick but Victor got what he deserved.
a common issue with a southpaw vs an orthadox fighter
Silly watch the clip they are not accidental head butts he's rubbing his head into his face.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2eGE9e9phs&feature=player_embedded
Ortiz post fight comments.
Absolutely agree, ortiz was flagrantly headbutting and after 5 i counted including the last headbutt, if i were floyd i wouldn't have afforded him any sportmanship or sportsman-like conduct at that point either.
Check out Floyd's awareness of the what Cortez is doing - anyone else see that little glance around 1:29 right before he throws the left?
Floyd Mayweather post fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvF19ju89Hk&feature=player_embedded
90 views and 6 responses? I think this is a topic worth discussing.
yes he glances over knowing the action was ON. Bottom line the action was ON, whether Joe was turnng away for a sec or not, ref said "Box!" and that's all that matters.
Agreed here is a good post from the ring website
by Michael Rosenthal
LAS VEGAS – The words of wisdom reverberated across the MGM Grand Garden Arena after the crazy ending to the Floyd Mayweather Jr.- Victor Ortiz fight Saturday night.
“DEFEND YOURSELF AT ALL TIMES.”
Indeed. Victor Ortiz, new to mega-fights and in over his head, was brutally knocked out with one second remaining in the fourth round because he let his guard down in a moment of confusion and stupidity. For that he can only blame himself.
On top of that, he had purposely head butted Mayweather only moments earlier. It was an ugly moment, although one that probably can be attributed to a frustrated kid losing his head.
Again, though, he must take responsibility for his actions.
Ortiz clearly wasn’t prepared to fight at the moment he was taken out and Mayweather knew it. The two were about to embrace to signal the end of the rough play -- or so it seemed -- when Mayweather, not interested whatsoever in niceties, landed a short left.
Ortiz then looked at referee Joe Cortez, at which time Mayweather landed a right-handed bomb that put Ortiz on his back and ended the fight.
Mayweather can argue that he had a right to be angry after Ortiz's head collided with Mayweather's mouth, which is true even if Ortiz apologized by embracing and then kissing him on the cheek. Apologies don't compensate for a badly cut lip.
He can also argue that Cortez ordered the fighters to box, which Cortez later confirmed. He’s right again. The punches were legal. I believe he violated the spirit of sportsmanship; he tricked Ortiz into believing they were going to embrace and then smacked him.
However, Ortiz forfeited the right to be treated in a sportsmanlike manner by his actions. He can’t fight dirty one moment and then complain that his opponent did something dirty a moment later. It’s too late at that point.
“We came together. We touched (gloves). It’s fight time,” Mayweather said afterward, referring to the moments before the knockout.
The saving grace here is that the bizarre ending only prolonged the inevitable.
Mayweather (42-0, 26 knockouts) was in the process of breaking down Ortiz (29-3-2, 22 KOs) anyway, firing hard right hand after hard right hand and avoiding almost all of Ortiz’s punches. The younger man, no where near Mayweather's class, clearly was baffled.
That was Ortiz’s mind set when he momentarily trapped Mayweather in a corner, unloaded a flurry of punches and, in a shocking moment, then jumped in with his head in an obvious attempt to make contact.
Doesn’t get much dirtier than that.
Ortiz, immediately remorseful, apologized by embracing and then kissing Mayweather on the cheek in the same corner. Then, as the action resumed, Mayweather landed the short left when Ortiz let his guard down. Ortiz looked at Cortez, apparently confused about whether the ref had ordered the fight to continue, at which point … BOOM! The right instantly ended the night.
Ortiz couldn't say much afterward. He apologized publicly for the head butt and didn't place blame on Mayweather, although he did use the word "unfair" to describe the ending. He said he never heard Cortez say "box" to signal the fight had resumed. Thus, he was taken by surprise.
"There was a miscommunication with the ref and he blindsided me," Ortiz said. "... He threw the left and the right and that was it. I have to protect myself at all times. Nobody is perfect. This is a learning experience."
This was a significant step backward for Ortiz, who was coming off a sensational victory over Andre Berto that gave him the WBC welterweight title he then lost on Saturday.
Ortiz was accused of quitting against Marcos Maidana in 2009, after which many observers questioned his mental toughness and his commitment to the sport. He gradually rebuilt his reputation, culminating in the hard-fought victory over Berto.
Then this. The head butt was so outrageous -- he cracked under pressure -- that we must question his mental toughness again.
Mayweather?
He looked fabulous for almost four full rounds, as good as he has ever looked. His speed, his defensive skills, his accurate punches, his underrated fighting spirit. It was all there. In my opinion, he remains the best fighter in the world at 34.
I don’t like what he did in the end. He could’ve stopped Ortiz without stooping to trickery.
He's not really the bad guy this time, though. He had a legitimate reason to be irate after what Ortiz did. Anyone one of us might’ve done exactly the same thing under those circumstances. And, again, he probably would’ve knocked out Ortiz anyway.
It was a bad night for Ortiz, a good night for Mayweather and a strange night for everyone else
Ortiz has only himself to blame | RingTV
Floyd is un sportsman like, simple. Ortiz is a southpaw and it can happen. In no way do I think he did them intentionally does he really seem like someone who would?
On the other hand Floyd is a classless prick he showed it with that fight and he showed it in the interview with Larry after the fight.
Boxing is a gentlemans sport. Victor Ortiz was apologizing after that they should have taken a step back and continued with the action. So many times do you see that happen because its a mutual thing. Trust that money grabbing basterd to put in a cheap shot.
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Wow I guess you didn't watch the video because it could not be any more obvious they were intentional.
Your a Mayweather fan that makes you bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by piyeQuote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
Wow I guess you didn't watch the video because it could not be any more obvious they were intentional.
Mate he jumped head first in to him... A southpaw is more likely to step on your toe, nut butt you.
AdamGB is correct. It was like a BILLY_GOAT butt, flagrant as all hell. Southpaw or not, this was willful.
Also:Preecisely what I've been saying--5 headbutts later, where is the LOVE?? :)Quote:
However, Ortiz forfeited the right to be treated in a sportsmanlike manner by his actions
Mate I have not noticed many of your posts on here before but you seem like a sensible enough guy with your not resorting to name calling or childish nonsense. I am a Floyd fan but I am also a grown man who is able to look at situations rationally and it's clear as day that the headbutts in this fight were intentional and malicious. But let's just agree to disagree unless your a racist or say something I really disagree with to heart it's nit worth having along back and forth over the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfanYour a Mayweather fan that makes you bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by piyeQuote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
Wow I guess you didn't watch the video because it could not be any more obvious they were intentional.
Best Video yet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjEfLgMr9Qo&feature=player_embedded#!
Watch and Comment!!!
I rewatched the fight, and Ortiz was rubbing his head in Mayweather's face, and had intentionally headbutted Floyd at least twice before the big one.
Ortiz plays the nice guy role well, but its an act.
When things aren't going his way and he's frustrated then he gets dirty, or at least did last night.
And he paid dearly for it.
Bang on professionalism.
None of that prior came close to the intentional leaping headbutt. Get warned and lose points. Once Ortiz started going long lost relative found at the airport Floyd knew he owned him. He went cheaply & used a mallet to hammer a thumb tack.
Exactly, solid post Spicoli! Put what you think about the KO punches themselves aside, the fact is Ortiz was toast the second he started BEHAVING like that. Had completely lost his head and would've only taken a proper beating had Floyd not made him pay at that instant.Quote:
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Are you blind, that was intentional and it got his ass knocked out sooner then later.
I just watched this fight again, is Ortiz some sort of idiot?
Glad to see I'm not the only one who saw this
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sPqu7FBllw
watch this clip... you'll see he is clearly a moron. its embarrassing.
ortiz was happy it ended controversially somehow and is now salivating at a possible rematch. i think he could have gotten up but there was no effort. it was an easy way out for him and he took it.
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sentiments of my own heart :)
This comment sums up the whole match.Quote:
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The last one was intentional the others i don't believe were. No matter what nothing can condone what Mayweather did.Quote:
Originally Posted by piyeMate I have not noticed many of your posts on here before but you seem like a sensible enough guy with your not resorting to name calling or childish nonsense. I am a Floyd fan but I am also a grown man who is able to look at situations rationally and it's clear as day that the headbutts in this fight were intentional and malicious. But let's just agree to disagree unless your a racist or say something I really disagree with to heart it's nit worth having along back and forth over the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfanYour a Mayweather fan that makes you bias.Quote:
Originally Posted by piyeQuote:
Originally Posted by mattboxingfan
Wow I guess you didn't watch the video because it could not be any more obvious they were intentional.
Can't believe how dickheaded some people can be! Talkin about 'headbutts happen when righties fight lefties'. Lol
Who you kiddin? ;D
Ortiz was about as blatant as you get with intentional headbutts, the southpaw v. orthodox fighter doesn't hold any water at all. Ortiz wasn't pressing the top of his head against Mayweather's chin or jumping in head first because he was a southpaw, he did it because he was trying to land a headbutt. I seriously don't see how even the biggest Mayweather hater can't see that.
Now as to the fact does it justify Floyd's sucker punches? Well they weren't illegal, but certainly unsportsmanlike. I don't like the way Floyd reacted and ended the fight it was unnecessary, he could have certainly won legitimately later in the fight.