My Thoughts Regarding The Mayweather - Ortiz Fight.

1. Ortiz was wrong with his clearly obvious and unnecessary headbutt. He was clearly frustrated with Mayweather's defense and he resorted to dirty tactics which was simply not cool. It's funny because the 4th round was his most competitive round against Floyd.

2. Mayweather's sucker punches on Ortiz. They may have been legal as Cortez signaled to the fighters to continue but it was a classless thing to do.

Below is a gif of Mayweather and Ortiz ( two different angles) moving toward each other, both with there hands down and exchanging words and hugs and before Ortiz has the chance to move back Mayweather smacks him with a left hook and then the right hand to drop him. Dirty tactic by Mayweather and worse than what Ortiz did.

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3. Cortez was able to ruin another fight. If he done his job properly and sent the fighters to their neutral corners before letting them continue and then restarting the clock then those cheap shots might not of occurred.

4. We fans missed out on a fight that looked like it was going to be good. The action in the fourth was competitive and exciting and was possibly a sign of things to come in further rounds. unfortunately it was ruined by dirty tactics by both fighters and bad reffing. :mad:

i get all you are saying man, and I really do agree with most of it, but the last person I can fault is Mayweather, though I really REALLY dislike him and always have.

1. Yes, Ortiz really created the anger in Floyd with about 5 headbutts in 4 rounds--quite a high number--and the final butt was the Butt of All Butts--I mean he really BILLY-GOATED him, sliced his chin open I believe.

2. This to a guy like Floyd is the end of all giving benefits of doubt to the opponent. No way is Ortiz going to be granted any Great Altruistic Sportsmanship any longer in the fight.

3. How many hugs and ksses becomes suspicious? Ortiz could have been the one about to quick-punch Floyd, the way he reaches in with the huggy thing too many times.

4. Hit or Be Hit. So Floyd cold-cocked him. "Take THAT, you headbutting, kissing, hugging freak!" you can almost hear him say as he shoots that left hook out there.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

i get all you are saying man, and I really do agree with most of it, but the last person I can fault is Mayweather, though I really REALLY dislike him and always have.

1. Yes, Ortiz really created the anger in Floyd with about 5 headbutts in 4 rounds--quite a high number--and the final butt was the Butt of All Butts--I mean he really BILLY-GOATED him, sliced his chin open I believe.

2. This to a guy like Floyd is the end of all giving benefits of doubt to the opponent. No way is Ortiz going to be granted any Great Altruistic Sportsmanship any longer in the fight.

3. How many hugs and ksses becomes suspicious? Ortiz could have been the one about to quick-punch Floyd, the way he reaches in with the huggy thing too many times.

4. Hit or Be Hit. So Floyd cold-cocked him. "Take THAT, you headbutting, kissing, hugging freak!" you can almost hear him say as he shoots that left hook out there.

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I get what your saying but Ortiz's headbutt didn't go unpunished.

He was deducted a point and he did apologize numerous times about the headbutt. He knew what he did was wrong, it was just a moment of frustration that got to him.

Floyd should of showed class and got his revenge on Ortiz with beating him up next round and the potential rounds after with clean hard shots and making Ortiz look foolish.

Not classless sucker punches that take away what could of been another good Mayweather performance based on how it was going.

Dave,

Where is the gif of Ortiz billy goating Mayweather and then when Floyds hands are down and and he is defenseless Vic takes 2 more shots at him?

Ortiz intent was to but him and gain advantage, people can put 20 more cutesy gifs on the screen and it dosent change the fact that Ortiz had been and blatantly used his head as a weapon. Getting a point deduction my rear end!! He was trying to hurt Floyd illegally Mayweathers body language never suggested he forgave Ortiz or welcomed 25 hugs.. PBF looked like a dog with his teeth showing growling the whole time and Vic finally got bit Mayweather posture was far from friendly!

It was fight time, not hug time. C'mon, Ortiz. Head butts and huggy-hugs? Box the guy already.

As legitimate as it was, Floyd stole from his own legacy. He may feel beligerantly justified this morning about his actions, but that is not the same as feeling satisfied with his performance and with the depth and quality of this particular W in his record. He will look back with some regrets. Too bad to achieve something like this so late in his career, especially when so unnecessary.

Point: Mayweather loses too, not just the boxing public.

Ortiz sounds clueless in the afterfight interview. No display of fighting sense or of business sense. And doesn't he realize that in a second fight, Mayweather won't need to wait four rounds to figure him out? Mayweather will come prepared and loaded for bear and will get a clear TKO if not KO before round 6. No point to rematch except $$.

Was embarrassing to watch Ortiz who couldn't even explain his own actions clearly.

Hope that Manny and Floyd can meet, and that it is a great fight which will remove the lingering aftertaste of disgust from this debacle.

The only person that knows if the headbutt was intentional is Ortiz.

Actually Ortiz did explain himslef pretty well, he said he thought Floyd was going back but came foward a little as ortiz was trying to jump foward. The only person who didnt explain themselvs was Floyd. Fighters are taught to attack and finish, kill kill, if this was the case with Floyd why didnt he just say that? cause its not he sucker punched thats all there is to it. At least Floyd dont lie about it lol. I like in a post fight interview Floyd said they broke apart and it was open season lol. I think the first punch was reaction and instinct and the second he said f it im nailin him again.

That really appears to be an intentional headbutt by Ortiz done out of frustration. When the referee signalled the fight to continue, Ortiz went forward to again apologize and hug Floyd. Floyd showed every indication that he is about to accept the apology and hug. If you look at the slo-mo, Floyd glanced at the referee briefly before he threw that sucker punch. That is legal but not classy.

Watch the video again. Victor was coming in with his hands up like he wanted to touch gloves, and Floyd was reciprocating that. They touched gloves, then Floyd put his hands up, ready to fight. Victor was the one who went in for the hug, if you watch closely Floyd is thrown off by this (as he has now gone into "fight mode") and tries to push him off. Victor lets go and Floyd blasts him.

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Originally Posted by Beanflicker

Watch the video again. Victor was coming in with his hands up like he wanted to touch gloves, and Floyd was reciprocating that. They touched gloves, then Floyd put his hands up, ready to fight. Victor was the one who went in for the hug, if you watch closely Floyd is thrown off by this (as he has now gone into "fight mode") and tries to push him off. Victor lets go and Floyd blasts him.

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He also nodded at him. Looked like he was indicating let's get on with it.

Boxing is the most honest conversation two men can have - Ernest Hemingway


Ortiz's act was one of a cheating coward who was being outclassed & beaten to the punch time and time again by a far superior fighter. He could see he was heading for defeat and had to resort to that gutless act. Using the head is never a thing anyone wants to see in boxing, but what he did was viscous and blatant and one of the worse thing I have seen in boxing since Tyson bit Holyfield's ear off. It would be easier to list the fights I have seen where somebody hasn't used their head in than the ones that have; but at least the majority of the time they have used it in a minor way. Had Ortiz landed that cleanly he could have bust Floyd nose, eye socket or something that could have come back to haunt him in a future fight. I remember a football player serving around 6 months in jail for head butting another player during a game some years ago; just because boxing is a 'violent' sport doesn't mean the use of the head should be disregarded when done so - it is still a disgusting act. (You're a jock are you not? you will remember who I am talking about I bet)

Mayweathers action were clearly ones from someone who had been antagonised and infuriated at the loathe worthy conjecture Ortiz took to try and turn the tides in his favour. Lets be honest, boxing ring or not; if someone tries to stick the head on you, a hug and a kiss isn't going to get you back onto the Christmas card list. I honestly can't see how you can blame Mayweather let alone say what he did was worse!

To me there was nothing more honest than Floyd's response to Ortiz's exploit.

The punches at best were a grey area. The fight was called to continue and regardless of whether they were in a neutral corner or not, Ortiz chose not to defend himself and fight when Cortez give the all clear. Floyd may have looked to receive the apology and questionably choose when to recommence fighting, but everything he did was with the rules.

I fail to how Cortez is at fault either? He could have sent Floyd to the locker room until the point was given, Ortiz wanted to keep talking when the fight was called.

I won't deny it is a shame how it all culminated, but Mayweather is an opportunistic athlete trying to dispel any credence that he has a peer.

Way I see it was the cheating shit got what he deserved, some fans feel the were denied the chance of a great fight - so far it seems they all just hate Mayweather anyway.

Ultimately, just don;t fuck with the pretty boy ;)

I dont understand how people are talking shit about PBF.
What Victor did was a bitch move. Plain and simple.
Just think for a minute if PBF would have headbutted...
Go ahead I'll give you a minute to think about it.
People would have gone fucken crazy.

What PBF did was give Ortiz a dose of his own medicine however within the rules.

"Protect yourself at all times"

I doesn't say protect yourself every now and then or protect yourself only when engaging.

For a real "sucker punch" that occured while the fight was still in time out.
Silverio Ortiz vs Jorge Paez Sr. now that was a blantan foul since the ref. had not signaled time in.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Dave,

Where is the gif of Ortiz billy goating Mayweather and then when Floyds hands are down and and he is defenseless Vic takes 2 more shots at him?

Ortiz intent was to but him and gain advantage, people can put 20 more cutesy gifs on the screen and it dosent change the fact that Ortiz had been and blatantly used his head as a weapon. Getting a point deduction my rear end!! He was trying to hurt Floyd illegally Mayweathers body language never suggested he forgave Ortiz or welcomed 25 hugs.. PBF looked like a dog with his teeth showing growling the whole time and Vic finally got bit Mayweather posture was far from friendly!

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There isn't a gif but if i could find one i would of put it up.

I understand that Ortiz was a dick at that point and the constant apologies weren't going to help him. Floyd was pissed and that was clear but he lost credit for this win as soon as he resorted to dirty tactics himself. I know it was legal but it was a cheap shot.

Instead of being the better man he was a dick himself.

It ended up ruining what was going to be a good fight.

The street in Floyd rose above all else. Ortiz did a dumbass dirty thing. Ortiz is another rung on the ladder and will be just another fighter who came and went. Mayweather is an elite, the best we have to offer and a face of this sport. Does he owe us or boxing anything...nah. He comes first and he'll yell it in your face. Its about him, fuck everyone else. But it was and is a punk move done by street kids in pissing fits better suited for an episode of Jerry Springer or slap fight on a corner.

Watch that clip, Mayweather is very calculated and feigns "yeh yeh its cool kid" as he raises shoulders and subtly glances at Cortez to see him looking elsewhere...then he cracks him. Dumb Ortiz...cheap Floyd. He didnt need that shit. All this eye for an eye horseshit..this ain't some video shoot or rowdy reality show or bar room. The professional ring should mean just that and we can't totally lose sight of showing a little class.

I kinda agree with Paulie Malignaggi's thoughts on this:

Article Link - Malignaggi: Mayweather Not Wrong, Ortiz Started It
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By Rick Reeno
MGM Grand, Las Vegas - Former champion Paulie Malignaggi was ringside to observe the controversial ending to Saturday night's welterweight bout between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Victor Ortiz, the WBC champion. After Ortiz intentionally used his head in the fourth round, he was penalized a point by referee Joe Cortez. Ortiz tried to calm the situation by going over to hug Mayweather, but when he pulled away from that hug, with his hands down, Mayweather fired off two punches that knocked him out.
Malignaggi saw nothing wrong with Mayweather's actions, because Ortiz made it a street fight. Ortiz started a street fight and should have kept it a street fight, Malignaggi said.
"I thought the rule was 'protect yourself at all times' last time I checked. I feel bad for Victor and I'm sure he trained hard for the fight. He took the fight to that point. Mayweather was acting like any grown man, he was pissed off. That was three intentional headbutts I counted. You can't take the fight to the streets and then says 'oh, I want to hug you now because you're mad.' A grown man is not going to take that into consideration. He's going to say 'you headbutted me, f**k you, I don't want to be friends,'" Malignaggi told BoxingScene.com.
"You can't take it one way and then go the other. It was a little frustrating to see Victor act that way because if you're going to take it there, you better keep it there. You take it to a dirty place and turn it into a street fight, you better keep it there."

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I kinda agree with Paulie Malignaggi's thoughts on this:

Article Link - Malignaggi: Mayweather Not Wrong, Ortiz Started It
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By Rick Reeno
MGM Grand, Las Vegas - Former champion Paulie Malignaggi was ringside to observe the controversial ending to Saturday night's welterweight bout between Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Victor Ortiz, the WBC champion. After Ortiz intentionally used his head in the fourth round, he was penalized a point by referee Joe Cortez. Ortiz tried to calm the situation by going over to hug Mayweather, but when he pulled away from that hug, with his hands down, Mayweather fired off two punches that knocked him out.
Malignaggi saw nothing wrong with Mayweather's actions, because Ortiz made it a street fight. Ortiz started a street fight and should have kept it a street fight, Malignaggi said.
"I thought the rule was 'protect yourself at all times' last time I checked. I feel bad for Victor and I'm sure he trained hard for the fight. He took the fight to that point. Mayweather was acting like any grown man, he was pissed off. That was three intentional headbutts I counted. You can't take the fight to the streets and then says 'oh, I want to hug you now because you're mad.' A grown man is not going to take that into consideration. He's going to say 'you headbutted me, f**k you, I don't want to be friends,'" Malignaggi told BoxingScene.com.

"You can't take it one way and then go the other. It was a little frustrating to see Victor act that way because if you're going to take it there, you better keep it there. You take it to a dirty place and turn it into a street fight, you better keep it there."

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My sentiments exactly...

LOVE Merchant turning to the camera. Really funny.

Floyd acted within the rules, Ortiz didn't. That's where I come out anyway.

I've made it pretty well known here that I don't like Floyd Mayweather. Don't like his attitude in and out of the ring... personally thinks he's done his share of ducking, while taking care of his precious "0"... and has been in some downright BORING fights.

But here's where I distance myself from being just a Floyd-hater. Last night was nobody's fault but Victor "WTF Were You Thinking" Ortiz himself.

First, he launches himself like a missile at Floyd's chin. Probably the most obvious headbutt I've ever seen. THEN... not content with kissing and hugging Floyd the first time... he goes to do it a SECOND time. AFTER Joe Cortes had given the "go-ahead" to continue fighting. Floyd, obviously still pissed about the headbutt, connects with a good left hook.... but not quite a knockout punch. So Victor "Rocket Scientist" Ortiz, with HIS HANDS STILL DOWN, looks over at Cortes as if to whine: "Floyd hit me." So Mayweather does the only thing he CAN do. He hits him with a right and knocks him out.

Conclusions:
1. Victor came off like the village idiot. Hey kid.... save the "I love you man" shit for Bud Light commercials. You're in a boxing match, not "Blind Date".

2. Why all the hate for Cortes (as usual)? He promptly took a well-deserved point off Ortiz... then motioned them to continue fighting. How was HE to know Ortiz still wanted some "kissie-poo" from Floyd? Cortes was just as taken by surprise as the rest of us.

3. Did Floyd deprive us fans from a good fight? Sure. But it was hardly his fault. He's a fighter and he's being paid to try to win. He saw an opening... he took it. It wasn't the most sportsman-like thing to do, but remember... he had just gotten the mother of all headbutts. No amount of smooching from Ortiz was going to fix his broken lip.


And while I'm at it.... what about the Merchant incident? What a riot !! That was almost as good as the fight itself. Again... I'm not applauding what Mayweather did. But it's painfully obvious the guy is carrying a giant chip on his shoulder when it comes to the press and their criticism of him. So when Merchant put him in a corner, Floyd lashed out. Was it right? Probably not. But it's probably not that difficult to go off at old Larry. He's (Larry) probably saying to himself, "Hell... I don't need this shit. I could be sitting in a bar somewhere downing scotch-and-sodas."

Finally, it's too bad the fight ended like this. But I put the blame squarely on Ortiz's very childish and immature shoulders.

Ortiz is a fine fighter. But fuck him. Gave the fool way to many chances. Bottom line is he's to fucking soft. I had no problem with his head butt. Do what you have to do. The first hug and apology was whatever. Your sorry. Fine. Get it out the way. The 2nd attempt was annoying. Great. Now you got knocked out. Dumb ass. Would of gave him another pass eventually. The constant smiling afterwards and his post fight interview were irritating as fuck. But again they were brushed off. I've accepted the fact that Ortiz is a fucking weirdo. It was further comments afterwards that I read on Yahoo Sports that I can't ignore.

“I was looking at Joe and he said ‘break’ or something and I’m like, huh?” Ortiz said. “Whatever. Bottom line is I had fun. It was fun.”

Really? You had fun losing and getting knocked the fuck out? Man, fuck you. There is no way possible I can ever bet a $1 on Ortiz ever again. If I was Erik Morales I would walk into Ortiz dressing room and crack him in the face. Morales would never say some bullshit like that

Floyd has always been like that "Take advantage of everything"


its solely Ortiz's fault Floyd just capitalized on it.

Why hug when you already kissed?