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I think Foreman was stronger than Lewis and of course we all know he had a BETTER CHIN hands down, lights out, no ifs ands or buts, than Lewis. Oh, not to mention hit harder.
Therefore Ali would probably defeat Lewis a round or 2 EARLIER than he did Foreman.
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I believe a Prime version of Lewis would have given a Prime Ali all he could handle, it would be a great fight. The older version of Ali that defeated Foreman in 1973, would likely get his ass handed to him by Lewis, Lewis wouldn't have gotten psyched out by Ali the way Foreman did in Zaire.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
That's my comment. ;)
Do not think Ali could KO Lewis but he would beat him on points. Lewis would not take Ali lightly, Ali did not punch with the venom of Rahman and McCall, but Ali in his prime was too fast, agile, smart and class boxer ever.
Emmanuel Steward Lewis would be too much for Ali imo. Ali would struggle getting past that jab but he also has that right hand to worry about. He's never fought anyone who was big and fluid as Lennox..
The Lion punishes him...
Lewis would've been a punching bag for Ali in any era, it would take a three toed sloth about a month to walk one mile, marginally faster than Lennox Lewis in the boxing ring. Ali would be snapping his head back all night with that jab, so would Holmes. Like Ali's pre Rumble fight talk describing Big George "Here comes George with a left, here comes George with a right" Ali was saying this in slow motion. Lewis was easily hit, he was an easy target and would lose easily to Ali in any era of Ali's career except post Rumble. Ali should've been retired after the Thriller in Manila.
Yes Lewis was easily hit. Holmes would've pistoned-off his head in about 4 rounds with the jab alone. 3-toed sloth is a great comparison Third Man, beautiful point. Lewis too slow for sure.
No Lennox Lewis was more measured and wouldn't rush in wildly like George Foreman, but i think Lennox Lewis loses a decision. A prime Muhammad Ali is too slick and too fast with his foot and handspeed.
Not saying I disagree, but when did you ever see Lewis outboxed?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Prime meeting Ali by close UD \ SD.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Ali didn't have the one punch KO power to stop Lewis and no way does Lewis burn himself out like Foreman.
ALI always found a way to defeat a opponent , if he did lose , Frazier,Norton he went back to the drawing board and worked it out , a truly amazing fighter and man , Ali took boxing to a new level with hand , foot and mouth speed , He would have to much speed for Lennox, not slagging Lewis of at all he was a superb boxer but Ali always found a way INCREDIBLE :cool:
Points win against Lewis, when Ali was in his peak.
The ageing Ali would have gotten dropped early in my book!
Also I'd like to point out that Ali never beat Foreman!
........Foreman best himself!
Well Ray Mercer did outjab him, and Evander Holyfield came close to out pointing him. I just feel Muhammad Ali beats him to the punch especially with the jab.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HNot saying I disagree, but when did you ever see Lewis outboxed?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Ali forced Foreman to beat himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vendettos
He had underrated power though check out his KO of Folley, Bonavena, Lyle, ETC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKOPrime meeting Ali by close UD \ SD.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Ali didn't have the one punch KO power to stop Lewis and no way does Lewis burn himself out like Foreman.
Yes but no way can Ali be regarded a one punch KO man. Thats what it took to beat Lewis imo
I remember Whittaker registering a handful of sensational one punch KOs (no idea who opponents were) and he for many is the first name that comes to mind when talking of feather fisted champs.
I think he has the kind of power to turn a fight round with one punch, he showed that few times in his career. But no it wouldn't be his power it would be his faster feet and faster punches that would do the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
As for Pernell Whitaker if anyone question's his power, i suggest they watch Diosbelys Hurtado/Pernell Whitaker thats one of the most brutal KO's i've ever seen.
yeah but the stats don't lie when it comes to punching power
there's a rumour that even Malignaggi stopped a couple of people
That's because Pernell Whitaker was often moving backwards, and doing so many feints. It's hard to get serious power when your doing all that, i think when he had to he had underrated power. Check out KO of Diosbelys Hurtado he almost kills him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Pernell got his knock downs and knock outs from good body punching. Ali was with speed and accuracy, neither were one punch KO artists, even McCallum landed the one shot against Curry does not make him a one punch KO artist.
Im sorry but a prime Ali would have beaten Lewis hands down, you cant question the greatest, he was faster, stronger, fitter and smarter then his opponents.
Lewis wouldnt stand a chance
I would not say he was stronger than Lewis but agree about everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCobra
I meant it in the sense of like the general opponents he fought but against more modern boxers they seem to be stronger, but still wouldnt beat a prime Ali because he was just the greatest all round boxer, which we havent seen much of since.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterI would not say he was stronger than Lewis but agree about everything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCobra
This. Would be a great bout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKOPrime meeting Ali by close UD \ SD.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Ali didn't have the one punch KO power to stop Lewis and no way does Lewis burn himself out like Foreman.
I agree with ICB on this one BIG. Lewis was never outboxed over 12 rounds but he never fought anyone as good as Ali either. Frank Bruno, Evander and Vitali all caused problems that make me think Ali would pick him apart over 12 or 15 rounds. Not saying any of them fight anything like Ali, just that if they can cause Lennox so many problems then Ali would figure out a method to pick Lewis apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG HNot saying I disagree, but when did you ever see Lewis outboxed?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Ali beats Lewis on points.
Lewis beats foreman on points.
I personally think Foreman Brutally KO's LewisQuote:
Originally Posted by Doot
1970-76 Foreman BRUTALLY KOs Lewis. Left hook to the liver. Monster right uppercut. If McCall made him sleep. Foreman would commit a homicide.
I agree with this post ICB. I'd like to add another name to that list though and some may see it as controversial but I've seen this punch about 5 thousand times and you can clearly see the snot get knocked out of Listons face. I am of course talking about the "Phantom" punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHe had underrated power though check out his KO of Folley, Bonavena, Lyle, ETC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKOPrime meeting Ali by close UD \ SD.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Ali didn't have the one punch KO power to stop Lewis and no way does Lewis burn himself out like Foreman.
yeah that is a real punch, Ive seen it only about 2,000 times, but yes you can see Liston's skull really get jarred, it was a jarring shot, Ali called it "The Anchor Punch". Dont think ol' Lennox could swallow that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjj tszyuI agree with this post ICB. I'd like to add another name to that list though and some may see it as controversial but I've seen this punch about 5 thousand times and you can clearly see the snot get knocked out of Listons face. I am of course talking about the "Phantom" punch.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHe had underrated power though check out his KO of Folley, Bonavena, Lyle, ETC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKOPrime meeting Ali by close UD \ SD.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Ali didn't have the one punch KO power to stop Lewis and no way does Lewis burn himself out like Foreman.
I think Lennox was too smart to gas like that.
But both the young and old Ali would have made Lennox fight too fast and dominated him by decision.
The young Ali dances all night and the 1973-74 Ali moves enough to keep Lennox lumbering around.
Yeah the idea Sweet Pea couldn't punch is one of the great myths. Nobody EVER rushed Pete.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Didnt Lewis do the same he beat every man he went into the ring with?Quote:
Originally Posted by roberto duran legend
Ali win on points for me . But Lewis would still stand a chance he had the size and the power to cause any1 problems.
Thing is, peak Lewis was smarter than 1974 George Foreman. He wouldnt gass, hes just too smart a fighter.
Unfortunately for Lewis, Ali had the skill to dismantle smart fighters. Swarmers were the best style to beat him (Marciano and Frazier). Lewis just would get beaten to the punch everytime. It would go decision, it would have to be, Lennox is too smart to slip up. Lennox could easily have been something pretty cerebral in life, gone to university, write for magazines or play chess for a living if he hadnt become a boxer.