No blocking, evading, dodging. Just sheer toe to toe slugfest trading shots after shots who would win?
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No blocking, evading, dodging. Just sheer toe to toe slugfest trading shots after shots who would win?
I believe PAC would stop him.
In a straight up brawling, Floyd would get severely hurt by Pacman.. He dont even get down like that though..
No offence to thread starter but this thread is stupid.
Pacquiao obviously has the advantage in a brawling fight.
Making a thread on it is pointless when you already really know the answer.
;D i just thought with the stoppage of ortiz made some think twice about pbf's power.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Because knocking someone out when they are not looking and have their hands down means you have knock out power? ... I agree this Thread is dumb, everyone here knows Pacquiao will spark Floyd in a toe to toe battle. Floyd was hurt by Mosley so we know Pacquiao can get him out. Plus just look at the last 10 seconds of De la Hoya vs Mayweather.. Floyd was in control but when he went toe to toe those last 10 secs he got owned by Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik;D i just thought with the stoppage of ortiz made some think twice about pbf's power.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
On a seriously tip though, Mayweather could out fight Pacquiao simply because his right hand is better than Pacquiaos left in the sense that he has better timing, a considerable reach advantage and has enough power to upset Pacquiao... It's no where near as dynamic but then it doesn't need to be because Floyd has a near complete arsenal.
To be honest, it could be even simpler than that... Mayweather isn't a one hand fighter in disguise like Cotto or Dela Hoya and is stronger, quicker and has better timing than Juan Manuel Marquez, Barrera & Morales so he really could have this fight in the bag with his 1,2&3 head and body.
I don't think it was a stupid question. I actually think toe to toe Floyd will knock Manny out. He's the bigger man and has the better defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspokenBecause knocking someone out when they are not looking and have their hands down means you have knock out power? ... I agree this Thread is dumb, everyone here knows Pacquiao will spark Floyd in a toe to toe battle. Floyd was hurt by Mosley so we know Pacquiao can get him out. Plus just look at the last 10 seconds of De la Hoya vs Mayweather.. Floyd was in control but when he went toe to toe those last 10 secs he got owned by Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik;D i just thought with the stoppage of ortiz made some think twice about pbf's power.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Also what does Floyd getting hit against Mosley have to do with anything? Torrecampo and Singsarat both knocked Manny out...
Floyd going toe to toe with Pacquiao would take his defence sorta out of the equation.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't think it was a stupid question. I actually think toe to toe Floyd will knock Manny out. He's the bigger man and has the better defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspokenBecause knocking someone out when they are not looking and have their hands down means you have knock out power? ... I agree this Thread is dumb, everyone here knows Pacquiao will spark Floyd in a toe to toe battle. Floyd was hurt by Mosley so we know Pacquiao can get him out. Plus just look at the last 10 seconds of De la Hoya vs Mayweather.. Floyd was in control but when he went toe to toe those last 10 secs he got owned by Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik;D i just thought with the stoppage of ortiz made some think twice about pbf's power.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Also what does Floyd getting hit against Mosley have to do with anything? Torrecampo and Singsarat both knocked Manny out...
I mean if Floyd's being aggressive and throwing, he's not defending which gives Pacquiao openings and Pacquiao always takes advantage of fighters who are aggressive.
Pacquiao's power is far more likely to hurt Floyd than the other way round also.
An aggressive Floyd works in favor of Pacquiao imo.
Floyd's best bet against Pacquiao is to box him. Pacquiao has always had difficulty with counter punchers and Mayweather is the best in the sport at it.
I think Floyd would knock Manny out in a toe to toe battle. At this point in their career's Floyds taken less damage so he could probably take more damage than Manny could who has taken alot of shots. Than theres also the fact that he is bigger and I suspect he has more power in his shots than Manny does. And lastly theres the fact that hes taller so he would have more leverage and Manny would lose power throwing upwards.
Ninja-like check-hooks and almost pre-emptive, PAC-3 like, straight-rights.
Wow... Well you know Mosley happened last year, we can safely infer that Floyd is the same fighter as oppose to Manny being stopped in 96 and I believe 98 or 99 ... I mean I'm sure you would agree that that's def not the same Manny Pacquiao not even half the fighter he is now. But I'm not a Pacquiao fanboy, I actually would pick Floyd to win in a boxing match but to think Mayweather would slug and KO pac is quite funny. As far as Floyd being the bigger man, Pacquiao fought margarito and took his best shots so I doubt Floyds size would matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't think it was a stupid question. I actually think toe to toe Floyd will knock Manny out. He's the bigger man and has the better defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspokenBecause knocking someone out when they are not looking and have their hands down means you have knock out power? ... I agree this Thread is dumb, everyone here knows Pacquiao will spark Floyd in a toe to toe battle. Floyd was hurt by Mosley so we know Pacquiao can get him out. Plus just look at the last 10 seconds of De la Hoya vs Mayweather.. Floyd was in control but when he went toe to toe those last 10 secs he got owned by Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik;D i just thought with the stoppage of ortiz made some think twice about pbf's power.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Also what does Floyd getting hit against Mosley have to do with anything? Torrecampo and Singsarat both knocked Manny out...
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Originally Posted by outspokenWow... Well you know Mosley happened last year, we can safely infer that Floyd is the same fighter as oppose to Manny being stopped in 96 and I believe 98 or 99 ... I mean I'm sure you would agree that that's def not the same Manny Pacquiao not even half the fighter he is now. But I'm not a Pacquiao fanboy, I actually would pick Floyd to win in a boxing match but to think Mayweather would slug and KO pac is quite funny. As far as Floyd being the bigger man, Pacquiao fought margarito and took his best shots so I doubt Floyds size would matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't think it was a stupid question. I actually think toe to toe Floyd will knock Manny out. He's the bigger man and has the better defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspokenBecause knocking someone out when they are not looking and have their hands down means you have knock out power? ... I agree this Thread is dumb, everyone here knows Pacquiao will spark Floyd in a toe to toe battle. Floyd was hurt by Mosley so we know Pacquiao can get him out. Plus just look at the last 10 seconds of De la Hoya vs Mayweather.. Floyd was in control but when he went toe to toe those last 10 secs he got owned by Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik;D i just thought with the stoppage of ortiz made some think twice about pbf's power.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Also what does Floyd getting hit against Mosley have to do with anything? Torrecampo and Singsarat both knocked Manny out...
You don't think that had Mosley caught Manny flush he wouldn't be capable of rocking him too? :confused:
Floyd has never been seriously hurt in his entire career. His chin looks pretty solid to me, and he's well capable of standing in the pocket and trading with Manny.
Manny is a very small welterweight and will rely on his speed and angles to get in and out whilst not taking any big shots himself.
Having watched almost all of both fighter's careers I would definitely give Floyd an edge in power and chin at 147, although Manny has the edge in speed and ferocity.
I am rooting for Manny, but if that fight happens I expect Floyd to win.
It makes me cringe how sycophantic some of these fighters fans are:-X
There is no weighing up all possibilities, just just flat out bullshit. They are more fans of the fighter than of boxing and have blinkers on big time!
No way Mannys chin is better than Floyds! Marquez hurt Manny but came nowhere near putting a dent in Mayweather. Mosley is a bigger puncher than Manny, he stopped Margarito and Floyd came back to win the round he got caught by him in. As for saying, no blocking or dodging!? That is what it would take for Floyd to take a clean shot, litterally just standing still!;D
Even in a brawl, Floyd is too sharp and accurate
well in reality i dont see pac outboxing him. so a mere chance or scenario of pac beating him like the stupid case i brought up gives hope to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
That was a class answer;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlikwell in reality i dont see pac outboxing him. so a mere chance or scenario of pac beating him like the stupid case i brought up gives hope to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
No bitterness or sarcasm. Fair play.
That depends on the glove size.
Small gloves, big gloves....Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
Either way, Floyds punches land before Mannys and more often, until Manny gets knocked out again.
Floyd's brittle hands would shatter if they use small gloves.Quote:
Originally Posted by rossSmall gloves, big gloves....Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
Either way, Floyds punches land before Mannys and more often, until Manny gets knocked out again.
Ross, I'm a PACfanatic but I know Manny's strength's and LIMITATIONS;)Quote:
Originally Posted by rossThat was a class answer;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlikwell in reality i dont see pac outboxing him. so a mere chance or scenario of pac beating him like the stupid case i brought up gives hope to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ross
No bitterness or sarcasm. Fair play.
Skill for Skill I do know PBF is better, with Manny's incredible power to weight ratio it's pretty much negated by the reach and considerable size advantage floyd has over him even if it's just a mere 6 lbs. or 5 inches, counting in the fact PBF has better hand speed and reflexes. Floyd knows how to use his advantges. I'm still praying though:)
I think Floyd was rocked hard by Corley at one point. Judah knocked him down and Cortez (yes, Joe Cortez) ruled it a slip. He was hit by Castillo too and got a bit dizzy for like 2 seconds. Mosley hit him too and was seriously hurt. Manny's punches is packed with power. If you will see the faces of those he faced before, you can say that there is really power behind ever punch he threw. Mosley said that pac's punches has an unbelievable snap, it comes from a short distance, but when it land, its like a punch coming from way back (like a full swing). You add to that power the angles he makes as he put those power-packed punches into combinations and boy Floyd can be hit once or twice in every 15 or 20 punches Pac threw i guess. Chin-wise, I guess Manny's chin is tried and tested. He was rocked several times by clean, unexpected punches in the face and body before. Margarito did game him a blow on the mid section and we can all notice the look in manny's face. It was a hard, solid blow by a man 17lbs heavier than him on fight night. I guess toe-to-toe Manny wins easy. But the question there is, will he be able to hit Floyd?Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by outspokenWow... Well you know Mosley happened last year, we can safely infer that Floyd is the same fighter as oppose to Manny being stopped in 96 and I believe 98 or 99 ... I mean I'm sure you would agree that that's def not the same Manny Pacquiao not even half the fighter he is now. But I'm not a Pacquiao fanboy, I actually would pick Floyd to win in a boxing match but to think Mayweather would slug and KO pac is quite funny. As far as Floyd being the bigger man, Pacquiao fought margarito and took his best shots so I doubt Floyds size would matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboI don't think it was a stupid question. I actually think toe to toe Floyd will knock Manny out. He's the bigger man and has the better defence.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspokenBecause knocking someone out when they are not looking and have their hands down means you have knock out power? ... I agree this Thread is dumb, everyone here knows Pacquiao will spark Floyd in a toe to toe battle. Floyd was hurt by Mosley so we know Pacquiao can get him out. Plus just look at the last 10 seconds of De la Hoya vs Mayweather.. Floyd was in control but when he went toe to toe those last 10 secs he got owned by Oscar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik;D i just thought with the stoppage of ortiz made some think twice about pbf's power.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pugilistic
Also what does Floyd getting hit against Mosley have to do with anything? Torrecampo and Singsarat both knocked Manny out...
You don't think that had Mosley caught Manny flush he wouldn't be capable of rocking him too? :confused:
Floyd has never been seriously hurt in his entire career. His chin looks pretty solid to me, and he's well capable of standing in the pocket and trading with Manny.
Manny is a very small welterweight and will rely on his speed and angles to get in and out whilst not taking any big shots himself.
Having watched almost all of both fighter's careers I would definitely give Floyd an edge in power and chin at 147, although Manny has the edge in speed and ferocity.
I am rooting for Manny, but if that fight happens I expect Floyd to win.
Hi Dench, check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrSRgGnMbe0
Made me think Manny has a chance against Floyd!! Living in the notion that you are only as good as your last fight. Floyd is not untouchable:)
Alcohol in the phillipines is rough stuff. Ginebra is they're version of gin but to tell you the truth it tastes more like propanol. If floyd drank it would probably be hennessy but that shits smoother than ellerbe chest rub. Got to pick manny on this one. Floyd gets dropped home by ellerbe after 7, manny just warming up the ol' vocal chords for a bit of I ahh want tooo you know ahh sing a karaoke.
That says it there. There wasn't a single fight wherein Floyd wasn't hit. He can not be running the entire 12 rounds. He has to hit back and will be hit in return.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
The question will be as to how many times will he get hit by Manny. Even if those hits are not frequent, will they be powerful enough to stagger Floyd and give Manny the opportunity for the knock out win. We can never tell until they actually face each other in the ring.
What makes this fight intriguing is that they both have the ability to win.
I tried watching that video but I could see as soon as they started showing the action it was clutching at straws. Showing how Floyd was getting hit in the body. Well he was quite likely fighting the biggest punching welter there is today and yes it sowed a few punches landed but it also showed that Floyd either slipped them and took the sting out of them or they landed and had no effect.
Mosley still hits harder than Pacquiao punch for punch, and yea he rocked Floyd, then Mayweather dominated the rest of not only that same round, but the rest of the fight, shaking up Shane a few times throughout the fight, Mayweather packs a lot more power than what people think, and no I'm not saying this as of a result of his fight with Ortiz seeing how I've posted the same thing waaay before the fight even happened, I'm sure Mayweather will be able to take Manny's best single shot, and his defense is damn good enough to avoid Manny's barrage of punches I'm not saying it's going to be a whitewash but logic says that Floyd with his superior technical ability and pretty much even in speed, and everything else that he should outbox Manny and batter him with counter punches to either get a UD or late stoppageQuote:
Originally Posted by InTheNeutralCornerThat says it there. There wasn't a single fight wherein Floyd wasn't hit. He can not be running the entire 12 rounds. He has to hit back and will be hit in return.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
The question will be as to how many times will he get hit by Manny. Even if those hits are not frequent, will they be powerful enough to stagger Floyd and give Manny the opportunity for the knock out win. We can never tell until they actually face each other in the ring.
What makes this fight intriguing is that they both have the ability to win.
Fortunately this is not how boxing works so the question is a bit silly, however I get what you mean about Floyd being more aggressive and taking it to the supposedly bigger puncher in Ortiz. If Floyd was able to do that against him then surely he could do the same to Pac Man.
Pac throws way more volume than Ortiz though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
But anyway, this is all beside the point of this idiotic thread, which was premised on there being "no blocking, dodging or evading" allowed. The hypothetical was basically a couple of dudes just take turns hitting each other in the face as hard as they can, not boxing or even "brawling." Just taking turns punching each other.
My vote: whoever gets to go first.