Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

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09-28-2011, 05:04 PM
BIG H

Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

Saying Lennox Lewis beat Tyson doesn't count
Saying Marciano beat Walcott Charles or Moore doesn't count
...and so on

Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey
Sonny Liston
Joe Frazier
Vital Klitchko
Wladimir Klitchko
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Jack Johnson
Rocky Marciano
09-28-2011, 05:09 PM
ICB

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Saying Lennox Lewis beat Tyson doesn't count
Saying Marciano beat Walcott Charles or Moore doesn't count
...and so on

Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey
Sonny Liston
Joe Frazier
Vital Klitchko
Wladimir Klitchko
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Jack Johnson
Rocky Marciano

Damn this is tough im gonna have to think about this one, but obviously Muhammad Ali is at the top and Klitschko bros and Marciano are at the bottom. Infact no disrespect to Vitali Klitschko but i think his resume is shite in all honesty.
09-28-2011, 05:10 PM
erics44

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

what do you mean?
09-28-2011, 05:13 PM
BIG H

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

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Originally Posted by erics44

what do you mean?

Rate their resumes, i.e who beat the best opponents, taking into consideration not just the name of the person they beat, but also the stage at which they beat them, i.e Holmes does not get credit for beating Ali.
09-28-2011, 05:24 PM
erics44

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

ahh i get it now
09-28-2011, 05:48 PM
jmbtandy

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

I think it's harsh what they say about the heavyweights now, yeah it isn't as good to watch but these guys are stronger, hit harder and have better technique than the guys in the other era's. Would Ali,Frazier, Marciano, etc beaten the Klitschko's, honestly I would rather watch the others fight but I think they would have struggled with the size. reach difference. Here is my order -

Muhammad Ali
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitchko
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Vital Klitchko
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Rocky Marciano
09-28-2011, 05:49 PM
brocktonblockbust

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

Ali hands down has the best resume. He beat Liston x2, Patterson x2 (well, OK, once was legit), Cooper, Williams, Folley, Norton x2 (highly-disputed), Frazier x2, Foreman, Lyle, Shavers, Quarry x2, etc. How can you trounce that?

Holyfield beat Qawi, Douglas, Tyson x2, Bowe, Moorer, Ruiz, Cooper, not too shabby.

Holmes beat Shavers x2, Cooney, Bonecrusher, Truth, Weaver, Witherspoon (?), Mercer, and made 20 title defenses successfully. How can you beat that?
09-28-2011, 05:52 PM
ICB

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

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Originally Posted by jmbtandy

I think it's harsh what they say about the heavyweights now, yeah it isn't as good to watch but these guys are stronger, hit harder and have better technique than the guys in the other era's. Would Ali,Frazier, Marciano, etc beaten the Klitschko's, honestly I would rather watch the others fight but I think they would have struggled with the size. reach difference. Here is my order -

Muhammad Ali
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitchko
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Vital Klitchko
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Rocky Marciano

Klitschko's have better technique ? wash your mouth out with soap thats blasphemy.
09-28-2011, 05:55 PM
jmbtandy

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

Haha you watched Foreman in his prime then, they throw more straight shots, they got better defence, not just hit and get hit back
09-28-2011, 08:53 PM
Dave Hughey

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

What are the criteria we are basing our calculations on? H2H?
09-28-2011, 09:49 PM
roberto duran legend

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

Ali by a mile no 1, Marciano fought better fighters than Liston .
09-28-2011, 10:33 PM
ICB

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

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Originally Posted by jmbtandy

Haha you watched Foreman in his prime then, they throw more straight shots, they got better defence, not just hit and get hit back

George Foreman is a brawler though, what about guys like Holmes, Ali, Holyfield, Tyson.
09-29-2011, 06:18 PM
Master

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Lewis
Tyson
Frazier
Holyfield
Wlad
Marciano
Dempsey
Johnson
09-29-2011, 06:35 PM
roberto duran legend

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

Tell me who Tyson beat ? a old Larry Holmes , thats his best win .
09-29-2011, 08:07 PM
BIG H

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

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Originally Posted by roberto duran legend

Tell me who Tyson beat ? a old Larry Holmes , thats his best win .

Who did Holmes beat? An old Ali?
Who did Marciano beat? An old Charles, Walcott, Moore
Wo did Dempsey beat? Jess Willard?
Who did Vitali beat? Fat Sam Peter
Who did Wlad beat? Fat Sam Peter
Who did Liston beat? Tiny Floyd Patterson ...............

..............see the pattern
09-30-2011, 05:12 AM
CutMeMick

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

Alright here's what I came up with... Based solely on quality of oppostion they beat.

Ali
Johnson
Fraizer
Foreman
Evander
Marciano
Dempsey
Lewis
Tyson
Liston
Holmes
Wladdy
Vitaly
09-30-2011, 09:27 AM
BIG H

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Alright here's what I came up with... Based solely on quality of oppostion they beat.

Ali
Johnson
Fraizer
Foreman
Evander
Marciano
Dempsey
Lewis
Tyson
Liston
Holmes
Wladdy
Vitaly

;D I'd love to see your rational of having Marciano above Lewis
09-30-2011, 10:05 AM
brocktonblockbust

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlqtH...ture=fvwp&NR=1
09-30-2011, 10:54 AM
BIG H

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlqtH5_ZFOk&feature=fvwp&NR=1

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09-30-2011, 08:36 PM
Master

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlqtH5_ZFOk&feature=fvwp&NR=1

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He shoud have seen that right hand comming.
09-30-2011, 08:38 PM
Master

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

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Originally Posted by Master

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Lewis
Tyson
Frazier
Holyfield
Wlad
Marciano
Dempsey
Johnson

I left Vitali out and Foreman, amazing but that was due to competition and successful fights.
09-30-2011, 11:38 PM
frankenfrank

Re: Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG H

Saying Lennox Lewis beat Tyson doesn't count
Saying Marciano beat Walcott Charles or Moore doesn't count
...and so on

Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey
Sonny Liston
Joe Frazier
Vital Klitchko
Wladimir Klitchko
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Jack Johnson
Rocky Marciano

I also take into consideration the manner in which they beat the opposition that they beat .
I must also add that this is a very flawed system of ranking since it doesn't take into consideration the opposition that beat them and its own manner .
Saying Lennox Lewis beat Vitali Klitschko doesn't count .
Saying Lennox Lewis beat Oliver McCall doesn't count .
Saying Vitali Klitschko beat Ross Puritty doesn't count .
Saying Evander Holyfiled beat Bert Cooper doesn't count .
Saying Michael Moorer beat Bert Cooper doesn't count .
Where are Riddick Bowe , Corrie Sanders and Oliver McCall ? they were champions weren't they ?
But , going by my understanding of the thread starter's criteria , here it is :

Mike Tyson : Berbick,Holmes,Spinks,Fergusson,Thomas,Tubbs,Bruno *2,Etienne,Seldon,Ruddock*2,,
Evander Holyfield : Douglas,Tyson,Moorer,Thomas(*),Tillis(*),Dokes,Til lman,Qawi
Lennox Lewis : Bruno,Ruddock,Tucker(*),Golota,Rahman,

George Foreman : Frazier*2,Chuvalo,Lyle,Cooper,Moorer

Wladimir : McCline,Byrd*2,Rahman,Peters,Austin,Thompson,Barre tt,Brock
Frazier : Ellis*2,Doug Jones,Ali,
Ali : Lyle,Ellis,Bonavena,Patterson*2(*2)
Vitali : Sanders,Peters,Gomez,Hide,

Sonny Liston : Patterson*2,Zora Folley,Marty Marshall
Larry Holmes : Ossie Ocassio ,Gerrie Cooney, Mike Weaver
Jack Dempsey : Gene Tunney,Jess Willard,
Jack Johnson : Jeanette,
Rocco Marchegiano : Roland LaStarza

I disagree that Charles&Cream and probably even Wright don't count for Marchegiano , but I went according 2d rulez

disclaimer : it is possible that I forgot a few , however , most of the times when it seems like it , it actually is d "doesn't count" case .
10-01-2011, 01:07 AM
Mr140

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So are we just going off Heavyweight for Holyfeild just wondering keep seeing people include cruiserweight. If we are going by who they beat then i got Ali,Lewis,Holyfeild,Foreman,Holmes,Tyson,Marciono, Frazier, Bowie, Vitali,Wald, Liston, Louis. Brown bomber was king for a while but his defences are full of bums worse then the crop now he had a bum of the month club for god sake. Lewis was king in the best era besides Ali's and if we count Holyfeild cw i would put him above Lewis if we did.