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Thought Darren boxed very well lst night. Gutted he never at least finished the 12.but really put on a gd show and in the first half ov the fight completely out boxed the overrated Martinez.who on here really thinks Martinez is pound for pound king? Very disappointing show from him in my opinion.don't get me wrong very powerful but in the top three boxers in the world no danger.
Amazing effort!! No shame atall!!
He shouldn't feel gutted either.
He should fight strum cos storm won't beat barker!!
Barker is world class end of,
A very good and disciplined performance by Darren - l had him maybe 1 point down when it ended. He has loads of positives to take from the fight. A lot of the time the step up in class finds boxers out and destroys their head/belief - Darren knows he has a right to be amongst them now. Many great fights out there for him.
To be honest I think barker would beat pavlik and also Felix strum!!!
What you guys reckon??
Maybe even jermain Taylor as rumors say he's returning at a lower weight??
It was a very brave effort, but I didn't have it close. I probably had it 8-2 to Martinez after 10.
Very good effort by Barker but it wasn't that close and Martinez acquitted himself well.
agreed, i had it 8 to 2 for Martniez, Barker impressed because he went in actually putting up an effort to win, not just get a paycheck, but IMO Martinez pretty much dominated and i didn't see anything in the fight to say that Martinez is overrated, he dominated a game opponent and then went on to stop himQuote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Sorry mate u must have been watching a different fight from me. In the first half ov the fight barker wos catching Martinez with ease with his jab.al I seen from from martinez wos his hand stupidly low and throwing the odd flurry which barker wos blocking no problem
Yes, I had it 8-2 too although I could see 7-3. Barker acquitted himself well though. He should hold his head high. His turtle shell defense was effective against Martinez. Martinez had difficulty countering Barker. The fight changed in my opinion once Martinez started going to the body around Barker's elbows in the middle rounds. I too like Barker's odds against Sturm or Geale right now. In fact, Geale v. Barker would be a very solid middleweight fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by rosco1984
Needless to say: stand up Dazzling Darren Barker, you did your country proud.
you must have been watching a different fight from everyone else because you're the only one who had him winning more than a maximum of 3 rounds, Martinez the 35 yr old toyed with him and stopped him as he did his other two opponents, he's anything but overratedQuote:
Originally Posted by rosco1984
He did very well in crowding and forcing tempo first half. Long arms and tight guard effective and roughed him up but I wouldn't say he completely out boxed Martinez. Can't lose sight that Martinez made the adjustments and pulled away when the chips were down and displayed difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by rosco1984
Hopefully HBO will have him back but unfortunately for the fans stateside prob not.
Very good effort from Barker but i had him winning 3rounds, he needed to let his hands go more.
Barker did better than expected and had some success catching Martinez in the first 4 rounds with right hands. After that though, he was in survival mode for the rest of the fight. Wouldn't let his hands go and just wanted to go the distance. HBO announcers were making it sound like an upset in the making and the punch stats were WAY WAY off.
there's a round or two to be given to barker in there somewhere but last night didn't give him one, he certainly was at no point "outboxing the overrated martinez". He did well in the same sense that kevin johnson (?) did well against vitali that is hold up his guard throw a jab here and there and be happy to go 12, but that didn't happen either. Don't know enough about geale to say how barker would do, but he looses to sturm, sturm does what barker does, but better.
You must have watched a Brit feed of the fight, Darren did better then most people thought he would, but in no way shape or form did he "outbox" Martinez.Quote:
Originally Posted by rosco1984
As for Sergio being overrated, hardly, look at what he's accomplished in his last 4 fights, and tell me who besides Pacquiao and perhaps Donaire should be rated higher P4P?
I agree with Rosco Barker certainly won more rounds, than you guys are giving him credit for. I'd say he won 4 rounds clearly Martinez done nothing in the 1st half.
Great effort Barker. Really liked how you did every thing you could to get up after being dropped from a half blocked, open handed punch/slap that would of made Calzaghe proud. Even though you blocked it, it was no doubt still a monster punch
That punch gave him a perferated eardrum I heard. That was probably why he reacted the way he did from the partially blocked punch. I think he put up a good fight. Some people said Martinez could have got around his guard any time and finished the fight but I think he was one dimensional. When the drawing barker in move did not work he should have changed his tacktics. However he did not. I have not seen many of his fights, does he always fight like this or does he have other tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Barker dominated rounds 4 and 5. Pretty much from when he popped Martinez nose he had almost 4 rounds of being on top and Martinez just couldn't hit him.
It's a real shame he tired in the 10th and wa hanging for the KO in the next round.
the only time the word "dominated" and the name Barker should be used in describing this fight is when saying Martinez dominated Barker even after having a bit of a puzzled moment in the early rounds, Martinez up to around the 4th or 5th round was just trying to land up top, he saw that didn't work then he started landing hard straight lefts to the pit of Barker's stomach, most the jabs that Barker would land after words had most the power taken out of them by Martinez slipping and taking them on his forehead, fact is the smaller shorter man struggled for 2 rounds out of 11, he was puzzled for about 3 rounds then systematically broke down his opponent rocking him a couple times along the way, everyone saying he's overrated is either blind or on some crack, cause I didn't see anything on Saturday that made me think that Martinez can't beat the likes of Cotto, Margarito, Mayweather, or PacquiaoQuote:
Originally Posted by 0james0
seeing how the only thing that gave him problems was Barker's height, range, and good defense, neither of the guys mentioned above have all 3 of those qualities
agreed good disciplined performance but I agree with H and had Martinez about 5-6 up
and i dont honestly think he will make too much of an impact on world stage in future
Damage control. I seriously doubt his ear drum is bustedQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonThat punch gave him a perferated eardrum I heard. That was probably why he reacted the way he did from the partially blocked punch. I think he put up a good fight. Some people said Martinez could have got around his guard any time and finished the fight but I think he was one dimensional. When the drawing barker in move did not work he should have changed his tacktics. However he did not. I have not seen many of his fights, does he always fight like this or does he have other tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
you're acting like Darren Barker didn't give a good account of himself. he came into the fight in some books as a 18-1 underdog and he left the fight with most people thinking he has a good shot against many of the top guys in the division. i agree that martinez dominated, but barker should get at least some credit here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseDamage control. I seriously doubt his ear drum is bustedQuote:
Originally Posted by LeightonThat punch gave him a perferated eardrum I heard. That was probably why he reacted the way he did from the partially blocked punch. I think he put up a good fight. Some people said Martinez could have got around his guard any time and finished the fight but I think he was one dimensional. When the drawing barker in move did not work he should have changed his tacktics. However he did not. I have not seen many of his fights, does he always fight like this or does he have other tactics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Barker vs. Sturm might be another "discipline boxing". And perhaps even more boring than Martinez-Barker fight. One thing is curious. One thing you should not mention now in UK is that Barker indeed is boring for boxing crowd. On the other hand many boxers like him can have success. At least he has European championship title. That's something to be proud of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
Barker did all well what he can. And that's not much. On the other hand Barker's punishment would have been much more brutal if Martinez could punch sharp uppercuts. Just take a look at the fight couple of times and you'll find tens of chanches for Maravilla to kill Barker by uppercuts. Big minus for Martinez indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I thought Barker did well.
I had it pretty even going into the second half and can agree with him winning three rounds, all of the first 6 or so were close.
You have to give Martinez credit for figuring him out though. He broke him down very well in the second half. Maybe not a spectacular win but he showed he can adapt and still managed to KO a good fighter, with an excellent defense, even whilst he was blocking the punch. And in the 11th round as well, which shows he throws hard punches from the first bell to the last.
I'm still not sold on Martinez as being as good as the very elite guys, he's no match for a 160lb prime Hopkins imo and I think Andre Ward will prove himswlf a better fighter p4p over time, but right now he's clearly the best middleweight in the world, and he's knocking people out. None of Williams, Dzindizruk and Barker had ever been stopped before or ewven close to being stopped and he has legitmately KO'd all three. You can't argue with that.
Judge:
Lynne Carter 96-94
Victor Loughlin 97-94
Alejandro Rochin Mapula 99-91
Those scorecards are showing that Barker was hardly near to win the fight even before round 10. I gave him only 2 or 3 rounds before R10. It's quite the average of Carter, Loughlin and Mapula, which means "near the truth".
Take it violent demise has never boxed and defo not been unlucky enough to suffer a bust ear drum!well I hav in sparing and it's 1 ov the worst injurys I hav had.to claim ther wos nothing wrong with barker and went down after a slap is fucking unbelievable after putting on such a gd show!the pain ov such a injury is unbearable and also ur balance goes aswell!
96-94, and 97-94 show he was acquitting himself very well though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matias64
That corresponds well with how I saw it. I thought it was an even fight after 6, looks like two of the judges agreed.
19-3 amatuer record. And while I never had a busted ear drum, I know what I saw. I saw a fighter pretty much say "fuck it. I had enough" and call it quits after a slapped that was half blocked. I actually thought Eddie Cotton was gonna give him a pillow the way he rolled over on his back and covered his face with his gloves. He could of got up even if he did have a busted ear drum. Carl Froch claims he had a busted ear drum going into the Jean Pascal fight. Shannon Briggs busted his ear drum in the first round and still took his beaing like a man from Vitali. Jorge Barrios let everybody know he had busted his ear drum in the 6th against Acelino Freitas and still went to war with him. So don't tell me Barker clouldn't of got up from that glancing slap if he really wanted tooQuote:
Originally Posted by rosco1984
Are you giving Froch his due as a warrior? This may be the first time I have ever seen VD give a British fighter credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise19-3 amatuer record. And while I never had a busted ear drum, I know what I saw. I saw a fighter pretty much say "fuck it. I had enough" and call it quits after a slapped that was half blocked. I actually thought Eddie Cotton was gonna give him a pillow the way he rolled over on his back and covered his face with his gloves. He could of got up even if he did have a busted ear drum. Carl Froch claims he had a busted ear drum going into the Jean Pascal fight. Shannon Briggs busted his ear drum in the first round and still took his beaing like a man from Vitali. Jorge Barrios let everybody know he had busted his ear drum in the 6th against Acelino Freitas and still went to war with him. So don't tell me Barker clouldn't of got up from that glancing slap if he really wanted tooQuote:
Originally Posted by rosco1984
I said he claimed he had one. Do I believe him? No. But for the sake of the point I was trying to, make, we gonna pretend he really did have oneQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratAre you giving Froch his due as a warrior? This may be the first time I have ever seen VD give a British fighter credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise19-3 amatuer record. And while I never had a busted ear drum, I know what I saw. I saw a fighter pretty much say "fuck it. I had enough" and call it quits after a slapped that was half blocked. I actually thought Eddie Cotton was gonna give him a pillow the way he rolled over on his back and covered his face with his gloves. He could of got up even if he did have a busted ear drum. Carl Froch claims he had a busted ear drum going into the Jean Pascal fight. Shannon Briggs busted his ear drum in the first round and still took his beaing like a man from Vitali. Jorge Barrios let everybody know he had busted his ear drum in the 6th against Acelino Freitas and still went to war with him. So don't tell me Barker clouldn't of got up from that glancing slap if he really wanted tooQuote:
Originally Posted by rosco1984
Didn't see the fight and have heard a lot of conflicting opinions. Mostly brits saying how well Barker did and then Non brits saying how he seemed to be there just to survive. Got to congratulate him for stepping up against the best in the division rather than going for a vacant title and defending it at home.
What is your problem with British Fighters VD were you beaten by a Julie Andrews style supernanny as a child?;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI said he claimed he had one. Do I believe him? No. But for the sake of the point I was trying to, make, we gonna pretend he really did have oneQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratAre you giving Froch his due as a warrior? This may be the first time I have ever seen VD give a British fighter credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise19-3 amatuer record. And while I never had a busted ear drum, I know what I saw. I saw a fighter pretty much say "fuck it. I had enough" and call it quits after a slapped that was half blocked. I actually thought Eddie Cotton was gonna give him a pillow the way he rolled over on his back and covered his face with his gloves. He could of got up even if he did have a busted ear drum. Carl Froch claims he had a busted ear drum going into the Jean Pascal fight. Shannon Briggs busted his ear drum in the first round and still took his beaing like a man from Vitali. Jorge Barrios let everybody know he had busted his ear drum in the 6th against Acelino Freitas and still went to war with him. So don't tell me Barker clouldn't of got up from that glancing slap if he really wanted tooQuote:
Originally Posted by rosco1984
You must have me confused with someone else. Violent D is a massive fan of UK fighters.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzWhat is your problem with British Fighters VD were you beaten by a Julie Andrews style supernanny as a child?;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseI said he claimed he had one. Do I believe him? No. But for the sake of the point I was trying to, make, we gonna pretend he really did have oneQuote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratAre you giving Froch his due as a warrior? This may be the first time I have ever seen VD give a British fighter credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise19-3 amatuer record. And while I never had a busted ear drum, I know what I saw. I saw a fighter pretty much say "fuck it. I had enough" and call it quits after a slapped that was half blocked. I actually thought Eddie Cotton was gonna give him a pillow the way he rolled over on his back and covered his face with his gloves. He could of got up even if he did have a busted ear drum. Carl Froch claims he had a busted ear drum going into the Jean Pascal fight. Shannon Briggs busted his ear drum in the first round and still took his beaing like a man from Vitali. Jorge Barrios let everybody know he had busted his ear drum in the 6th against Acelino Freitas and still went to war with him. So don't tell me Barker clouldn't of got up from that glancing slap if he really wanted tooQuote:
Originally Posted by rosco1984