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Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
If you listened to the UK commentary you would probably have had it level after 10, I only gave Barker rounds 3 an 4 :-\
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
I only gave Barker 1 round. There were a couple rounds that were a little close, but he just didn't let his hands go enough. Seemed like he was content with just trying to go the distance with Martinez, but that didn't quite work out for him either.
They're just about to replay the fight on HBO right now, so I'll see if I see it differently this time.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
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BIG H
If you listened to the UK commentary you would probably have had it level after 10, I only gave Barker rounds 3 an 4 :-\
I had it exactly the same as you. 3 and 4 Barker, the rest Martinez for 8-2.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
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BIG H
If you listened to the UK commentary you would probably have had it level after 10, I only gave Barker rounds 3 an 4 :-\
I had it exactly the same as you. 3 and 4 Barker,
the rest Martinez for 8-2.
That's about how I had it, Barker only winning 1 or 2 rounds, Martinez was simply outworking Barker and landing the most effective punches.
Even though Barker was clearly losing the fight, even before it was stopped in the 11th round, it wasn't a bad effort by him, he has nothing to be ashamed of, nothing ventured nothing gained.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
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BIG H
If you listened to the UK commentary you would probably have had it level after 10, I only gave Barker rounds 3 an 4 :-\
I had it exactly the same as you. 3 and 4 Barker,
the rest Martinez for 8-2.
That's about how I had it, Barker only winning 1 or 2 rounds, Martinez was simply outworking Barker and landing the most effective punches.
Even though Barker was clearly losing the fight, even before it was stopped in the 11th round, it wasn't a bad effort by him, he has nothing to be ashamed of, nothing ventured nothing gained.
Agreed, it was a massive step up and he aquitted himself well. A shame about the rolling over on his back - but the guy was obviously very hurt. He'll come again.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
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Mars_ax
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J_C
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BIG H
If you listened to the UK commentary you would probably have had it level after 10, I only gave Barker rounds 3 an 4 :-\
I had it exactly the same as you. 3 and 4 Barker,
the rest Martinez for 8-2.
That's about how I had it, Barker only winning 1 or 2 rounds, Martinez was simply outworking Barker and landing the most effective punches.
Even though Barker was clearly losing the fight, even before it was stopped in the 11th round, it wasn't a bad effort by him, he has nothing to be ashamed of, nothing ventured nothing gained.
Agreed, it was a massive step up and he aquitted himself well. A shame about the rolling over on his back - but the guy was obviously very hurt. He'll come again.
He put forward a brave effort. He had much better defense than I had seen from him in the past and he laid the blue print on how it would be possible to beat Martinez. I gave Barker two rounds and thought another was close. I had it 8-2 at the time of the stoppage, but Barker made many of the rounds close and he bloodied Martinez's nose in the 4th. Nothing wrong with travelling abroad and losing to a great fighter and, if anything, I hold him in higher esteem than I did prior to the fight.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
I gave him 2 rounds.
His problem was his activity level. He did great when he committed to punching but he was over cautious hiding behind his guard and only punched in spurts.
I'm sure Martinez's punching power had alot to do with his activity level though.
Overall though i think he proved himself to be alot better than fans expected and should be somewhat proud of his performance.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
Rounds 4,5 to Barker but can see how it 'looked' closer first half. I think alot of it was pure body language of the two. Martinez backing, bloody and hands completely down while Barker steady tight pressure but Martinez was steady tapping the nail until he dropped the hammer.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
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Diane
I only gave Barker 1 round. There were a couple rounds that were a little close, but he just didn't let his hands go enough. Seemed like he was content with just trying to go the distance with Martinez, but that didn't quite work out for him either.
They're just about to replay the fight on HBO right now, so I'll see if I see it differently this time.
Exactly. Barker won one round. Maybe two if you were really looking to give him all you could.
Did better than expected, bravo for that, but he didn't want to take any chances and didn't come to win.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
1 or 2 rounds really guys ? Barker was blocking most of Martinez's punches. And was landing accurate jabs and right hands, Martinez looked puzzled and didn't really do much except drop his hands and allow Barker to come forward and hit him.
Barker easily won 4 rounds i don't understand all this talk of 1 or 2 rounds, Martinez done nothing in the 1st half of the fight really. And its only because Barker has suspect stamina that Martinez was able to comeback in the fight, because Barker's guard loosened and stopped throwing punches.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
I know punchstats don't tell the whole story, but i just went a checked the stats and according to the stats Barker was only dominated in the last 2 rounds. All the other rounds regarding punches landed were all competitive, and i think Martinez probably got more credit for glancing punches aswell. Because not that much was landing clean in the the 1st half of the fight.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
yeah he won more than 2 rounds and who ever said he didnt come to win thats not very fair
he had no experience at that level and away from home
An Martinez has all of the experience
If barker has a couple more fights at that type of level and in that type of atmosphere and they did it again, i would expect the fight to be a lot closer
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
Martinez was just fighting down to the level of his opposition. He took some shots and got bloodly nose but was never really in any trouble. He was pretty much toying with Barker. It looked like he could of ended it when ever he really felt like it. And did.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
I think Barker can be given between 2 and 4 rounds. To give him only one round is very harsh. Martinez was hitting a lot of gloves whilst Barker was walking him down with the jab.
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I think Barker can be given between 2 and 4 rounds. To give him only one round is very harsh. Martinez was hitting a lot of gloves whilst Barker was walking him down with the jab.
Fenster is right. Barker deserved between 2 and 4 rounds. I gave him 2.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
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BIG H
If you listened to the UK commentary you would probably have had it level after 10, I only gave Barker rounds 3 an 4 :-\
I do agree. There were just these rounds for Barker. Two were very even. The rest were for Martinez. Jim Watt's scorecard was more or less ridiculous: rounds 2,3,4,5 and 8 for Barker. Hardly any disagree that Martinez has more activity in ring and much more dangerous punches. So i would give only 2 rounds to Barker.
Here are cards by judge:
Lynne Carter 96-94
Victor Loughlin 97-94
Alejandro Rochin Mapula 99-91
Carter gave 4 rounds to Barker (too much). Loughlin 3 (near the truth). Mapula just one.
Jim Watt's scorecard was propably a fine british joke.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
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1 or 2 rounds really guys ? Barker was blocking most of Martinez's punches. And was landing accurate jabs and right hands, Martinez looked puzzled and didn't really do much except drop his hands and allow Barker to come forward and hit him.
Barker easily won 4 rounds i don't understand all this talk of 1 or 2 rounds, Martinez done nothing in the 1st half of the fight really. And its only because Barker has suspect stamina that Martinez was able to comeback in the fight, because Barker's guard loosened and stopped throwing punches.
I don't blame you using british goggles. Barker was blocking most of the punches? Sure. But too many found their way to his head and ear. Even before round ten and eleven.
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1 or 2 rounds really guys ? Barker was blocking most of Martinez's punches. And was landing accurate jabs and right hands, Martinez looked puzzled and didn't really do much except drop his hands and allow Barker to come forward and hit him.
Barker easily won 4 rounds i don't understand all this talk of 1 or 2 rounds, Martinez done nothing in the 1st half of the fight really. And its only because Barker has suspect stamina that Martinez was able to comeback in the fight, because Barker's guard loosened and stopped throwing punches.
I don't blame you using british goggles. Barker was blocking most of the punches? Sure. But too many found their way to his head and ear. Even before round ten and eleven.
Nothing to do with being biased im not really a fan of Barker, i just fail to see what Martinez done in the 1st half that makes the fight ridiculously wide. Like you guys are saying because i didn't see it that way at all. I see Barker landing the clean punches and Martinez just looking at Barker, and dropping his hands and having his punches mostly blocked.
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ICB
1 or 2 rounds really guys ? Barker was blocking most of Martinez's punches. And was landing accurate jabs and right hands, Martinez looked puzzled and didn't really do much except drop his hands and allow Barker to come forward and hit him.
Barker easily won 4 rounds i don't understand all this talk of 1 or 2 rounds, Martinez done nothing in the 1st half of the fight really. And its only because Barker has suspect stamina that Martinez was able to comeback in the fight, because Barker's guard loosened and stopped throwing punches.
If you saw it different you are in the minority. Barker just didn't throw enough to win rounds. It is a much better fight without the commentary as well.
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ICB
1 or 2 rounds really guys ? Barker was blocking most of Martinez's punches. And was landing accurate jabs and right hands, Martinez looked puzzled and didn't really do much except drop his hands and allow Barker to come forward and hit him.
Barker easily won 4 rounds i don't understand all this talk of 1 or 2 rounds, Martinez done nothing in the 1st half of the fight really. And its only because Barker has suspect stamina that Martinez was able to comeback in the fight, because Barker's guard loosened and stopped throwing punches.
I don't blame you using british goggles. Barker was blocking most of the punches? Sure. But too many found their way to his head and ear. Even before round ten and eleven.
In Ice's defense, I've never known him to be biased towards British fighters.
I was half-watching the fight on a shitty stream in between rounds of the Marquez fight and from what I saw Barker was giving Martinez all he could handle early on.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
I have nothing but respect for Barkers early showing but he didn't just wilt on his own. He wilted because Martinez made adjustments and found another gear.
I really don't get much of the debate on rounds in a fight that did afterall end in a clear KO! Ya came to fight, well done, we get it.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
Seriously, so Barker won a few rounds, bloodied Martinez nose and made the fight competitive. The bottom line is, Barker was clearly losing the fight going into the 11th round and then got KTFO. So where's the fucking argument? Ans: there really isn't one.
Martinez won a tougher then expected fight, by KO, end of story.
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Re: Barker vs Martinez, how did your card look?
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ICB
1 or 2 rounds really guys ? Barker was blocking most of Martinez's punches. And was landing accurate jabs and right hands, Martinez looked puzzled and didn't really do much except drop his hands and allow Barker to come forward and hit him.
Barker easily won 4 rounds i don't understand all this talk of 1 or 2 rounds, Martinez done nothing in the 1st half of the fight really. And its only because Barker has suspect stamina that Martinez was able to comeback in the fight, because Barker's guard loosened and stopped throwing punches.
If you saw it different you are in the minority. Barker just didn't throw enough to win rounds. It is a much better fight without the commentary as well.
What was Martinez doing though ? just dropping his hands looking at Barker, i really can't understand why people had it so wide. Martinez virtually done nothing in the 1st half, and Barker was the one landing all the accurate shots.
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BIG H
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ICB
1 or 2 rounds really guys ? Barker was blocking most of Martinez's punches. And was landing accurate jabs and right hands, Martinez looked puzzled and didn't really do much except drop his hands and allow Barker to come forward and hit him.
Barker easily won 4 rounds i don't understand all this talk of 1 or 2 rounds, Martinez done nothing in the 1st half of the fight really. And its only because Barker has suspect stamina that Martinez was able to comeback in the fight, because Barker's guard loosened and stopped throwing punches.
If you saw it different you are in the minority. Barker just didn't throw enough to win rounds. It is a much better fight without the commentary as well.
What was Martinez doing though ? just dropping his hands looking at Barker, i really can't understand why people had it so wide. Martinez virtually done nothing in the 1st half, and Barker was the one landing all the accurate shots.
You keep rehashing an argument that most people don't agree with, what fucking difference does it really make if some folks had Martinez winning by a wide margin? Barker got KTFO, quit yer bitchin' and get over it.
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ICB
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ICB
1 or 2 rounds really guys ? Barker was blocking most of Martinez's punches. And was landing accurate jabs and right hands, Martinez looked puzzled and didn't really do much except drop his hands and allow Barker to come forward and hit him.
Barker easily won 4 rounds i don't understand all this talk of 1 or 2 rounds, Martinez done nothing in the 1st half of the fight really. And its only because Barker has suspect stamina that Martinez was able to comeback in the fight, because Barker's guard loosened and stopped throwing punches.
If you saw it different you are in the minority. Barker just didn't throw enough to win rounds. It is a much better fight without the commentary as well.
What was Martinez doing though ? just dropping his hands looking at Barker, i really can't understand why people had it so wide. Martinez virtually done nothing in the 1st half, and Barker was the one landing all the accurate shots.
You keep rehashing an argument that most people don't agree with, what fucking difference does it really make if some folks had Martinez winning by a wide margin? Barker got KTFO, quit yer bitchin' and get over it.
He quit more than get KTFO
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Mars_ax
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ICB
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ICB
1 or 2 rounds really guys ? Barker was blocking most of Martinez's punches. And was landing accurate jabs and right hands, Martinez looked puzzled and didn't really do much except drop his hands and allow Barker to come forward and hit him.
Barker easily won 4 rounds i don't understand all this talk of 1 or 2 rounds, Martinez done nothing in the 1st half of the fight really. And its only because Barker has suspect stamina that Martinez was able to comeback in the fight, because Barker's guard loosened and stopped throwing punches.
If you saw it different you are in the minority. Barker just didn't throw enough to win rounds. It is a much better fight without the commentary as well.
What was Martinez doing though ? just dropping his hands looking at Barker, i really can't understand why people had it so wide. Martinez virtually done nothing in the 1st half, and Barker was the one landing all the accurate shots.
You keep rehashing an argument that most people don't agree with, what fucking difference does it really make if some folks had Martinez winning by a wide margin? Barker got KTFO, quit yer bitchin' and get over it.
He quit more than get KTFO
That's really debatable, I believe Barker was hurt and in pain from an accumulation of punches to the left side of his head, saying he "quit" really isn't fair, it was more like he was unable to continue. I don't want to argue with you VD, that's just the way I see it.
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Mars_ax
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ICB
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ICB
1 or 2 rounds really guys ? Barker was blocking most of Martinez's punches. And was landing accurate jabs and right hands, Martinez looked puzzled and didn't really do much except drop his hands and allow Barker to come forward and hit him.
Barker easily won 4 rounds i don't understand all this talk of 1 or 2 rounds, Martinez done nothing in the 1st half of the fight really. And its only because Barker has suspect stamina that Martinez was able to comeback in the fight, because Barker's guard loosened and stopped throwing punches.
If you saw it different you are in the minority. Barker just didn't throw enough to win rounds. It is a much better fight without the commentary as well.
What was Martinez doing though ? just dropping his hands looking at Barker, i really can't understand why people had it so wide. Martinez virtually done nothing in the 1st half, and Barker was the one landing all the accurate shots.
You keep rehashing an argument that most people don't agree with, what fucking difference does it really make if some folks had Martinez winning by a wide margin? Barker got KTFO, quit yer bitchin' and get over it.
Get over what ? im not even a fan of Darren Barker, nor did i make this thread. Im just voicing an opinion which is what this thread was about wasn't it ? the topic was "How did your scorecard look".
If you don't want to debate about it, then don't post in the thread. You seem to be one getting frustrated because i differ in opinion.
Im not really bothered if some people had it wide or not, i go with what i saw. But if people don't agree with me then fine i couldn't careless people have all sorts of different opinions regarding scoring.
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Mars_ax
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ICB
1 or 2 rounds really guys ? Barker was blocking most of Martinez's punches. And was landing accurate jabs and right hands, Martinez looked puzzled and didn't really do much except drop his hands and allow Barker to come forward and hit him.
Barker easily won 4 rounds i don't understand all this talk of 1 or 2 rounds, Martinez done nothing in the 1st half of the fight really. And its only because Barker has suspect stamina that Martinez was able to comeback in the fight, because Barker's guard loosened and stopped throwing punches.
If you saw it different you are in the minority. Barker just didn't throw enough to win rounds. It is a much better fight without the commentary as well.
What was Martinez doing though ? just dropping his hands looking at Barker, i really can't understand why people had it so wide. Martinez virtually done nothing in the 1st half, and Barker was the one landing all the accurate shots.
You keep rehashing an argument that most people don't agree with, what fucking difference does it really make if some folks had Martinez winning by a wide margin? Barker got KTFO, quit yer bitchin' and get over it.
He quit more than get KTFO
That's really debatable, I believe Barker was hurt and in pain from an accumulation of punches to the left side of his head, saying he "quit" really isn't fair, it was more like he was unable to continue. I don't want to argue with you VD, that's just the way I see it.
It's not even that the knock out punch seemed to be a glancing slap. It's the way he went down. He rolled over on his back and started shielding his eyes with his gloves. Than at the last second he makes a half hearted attempt to get up
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Mars_ax
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Mars_ax
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ICB
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BIG H
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ICB
1 or 2 rounds really guys ? Barker was blocking most of Martinez's punches. And was landing accurate jabs and right hands, Martinez looked puzzled and didn't really do much except drop his hands and allow Barker to come forward and hit him.
Barker easily won 4 rounds i don't understand all this talk of 1 or 2 rounds, Martinez done nothing in the 1st half of the fight really. And its only because Barker has suspect stamina that Martinez was able to comeback in the fight, because Barker's guard loosened and stopped throwing punches.
If you saw it different you are in the minority. Barker just didn't throw enough to win rounds. It is a much better fight without the commentary as well.
What was Martinez doing though ? just dropping his hands looking at Barker, i really can't understand why people had it so wide. Martinez virtually done nothing in the 1st half, and Barker was the one landing all the accurate shots.
You keep rehashing an argument that most people don't agree with, what fucking difference does it really make if some folks had Martinez winning by a wide margin? Barker got KTFO, quit yer bitchin' and get over it.
He quit more than get KTFO
That's really debatable, I believe Barker was hurt and in pain from an accumulation of punches to the left side of his head, saying he "quit" really isn't fair, it was more like he was unable to continue. I don't want to argue with you VD, that's just the way I see it.
It's not even that the knock out punch seemed to be a glancing slap. It's the way he went down. He rolled over on his back and started shielding his eyes with his gloves. Than at the last second he makes a half hearted attempt to get up
Yes the slapping inside off the glove ko shot was worthy of Calzaghe for sure , he made a career out of punches like that.