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Ok so I've read a bit about these dope smokin' morons, now miles explain your people!
They want and end to free trade, the abolition of all debt (personal up to national), they want free college, the minimum wage to be "at least $20" and they want a "living wage" to be paid out whether you have a job or not.
....Can the police just go ahead and shoot these idiots?
Wouldn't it be more sensible to shoot overpaid bankers and wall street goons and actually reform the system that has been systematically wiping out the middle class for well over 40 years? It's no wonder kids are out of control today, they don't have parents. Just to stay afloat these days you need 2 incomes and wages aren't rising and the only way to see mum is to have her job shipped overseas. Oh, but as long as Dow Jones is stable and US firms are able to invest in Asia then all is okay.
The system is fucked Lyle. This is a start. Not ideal by any means, but a start. Time for a workers (or unemployed and disenfranchised revolution). The US system is rigged and entirely corrupt. Any pretense at democracy is an utter farce.
Yes miles its a great start...now that we have all the slackers in one area we can cart them off and kill them!
Have you seen the damn demands these idiots have put out there?!?! Free college? A living wage paid to EVERYONE.....regardless of whether they have a job or not! $20/hr minimum wage.....who pays for this miles? Who fucking pays for it???
Hey you starry eyed stoners, go back to smoking your weed and get the hell out of politics, your ideas are pathetic!!! (Comment aimed at the Occupiers)
This whole "we are the 99%" is REALLY pissing me off!
If they mean the 99% where the majority of wealth is now excluded from then the are quite correct statistically.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
If you cannot see that your political and financial system is an abhorrent mess then god help you Lyle. Let it continue as it is and see where it gets you. Millions of jobs are gone and recession mark 2 is just around the corner. The entire thing is a sham and needs turning inside out. These people are right to be on Wall Street and if I was an American living in America I would be right with them. It's a movement that needs to grow and I am hopeful that it will.
Well done on these people for at least getting down to Wall Street. Obviously the media is going to try and downplay it and act in the interests of Wall Street, but the seeds of discontent are being planted. American's are finally realizing nobody is going to give the country back, they are going to have to take it back.
A vote is worth nothing anymore, civil disobedience is the only alternative.
As far as I know they don't have any unified goal. They're just a whole bunch of people from different walks of life upset with the status quo. I fail to see what it wrong with people expressing themselves.
They'll go away soon unless some kind of charismatic leader appears to unify them, but that's not happening.
Exactly, a dictatorial sort with a loathing of men in shiny suits is what is needed. He should also order the hippies to shave and look presentable. Nobody can take a hippy type seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
I agree. Fascism is the way of the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesExactly, a dictatorial sort with a loathing of men in shiny suits is what is needed. He should also order the hippies to shave and look presentable. Nobody can take a hippy type seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Now we just need to find the right strongman/psychopath and we'll be set.
And another thing....this whole thing was started by the God damned Canadians!!! AdBusters or whatever started this crap.
Miles the deal with the wealth is ridiculous...why would Russle Simmons, Michael Moore, Susan Surandon, etc come down to support the protests when they are part of the wealthy elite? These kids don't want "fair" they want SOCIALISM in big bold red letters, they don't seek to fix anything they want to destroy what America is and that (along with them being filthy fucking hippies) is why I hate them.
And if we then kill him, we'll REALLY be set!Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI agree. Fascism is the way of the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesExactly, a dictatorial sort with a loathing of men in shiny suits is what is needed. He should also order the hippies to shave and look presentable. Nobody can take a hippy type seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Now we just need to find the right strongman/psychopath and we'll be set.
Further proof that peace is overrated :)
....And then make t-shirts!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusAnd if we then kill him, we'll REALLY be set!Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI agree. Fascism is the way of the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesExactly, a dictatorial sort with a loathing of men in shiny suits is what is needed. He should also order the hippies to shave and look presentable. Nobody can take a hippy type seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Now we just need to find the right strongman/psychopath and we'll be set.
Further proof that peace is overrated :)
Damn dirty hippies, they make me sick...its like they think all the problems of the world can be solved in a drum circle :vd:
The gap between rich and poor is ever increasing, the only way the systems stays in place is by keeping the majority of working/middle classes happy and content with a 9-5 job, roof over their heads and enough money to have a holiday.
The wealth of those people is zilch compared to the billions held by the super elite. It doesn't come close. And stop talking about socialism as it is a word you American's abuse everyday. Many countries hold socialist values and they have functioned in a far more fair and stable manner than America which rapes it's own populace and holds the world to economic blackmail through use of the dollar and insidious pro US organisations like the IMF.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Exactly, why should the working man pay less tax than the rich who avoid it through loopholes and the employment of crafty accountants. The middle man is the corner stone of any society and that is being neglected in the interests of the super rich. The super rich own wall street and own the politicians. The vote means nothing anymore, nobody represents Mr Ordinary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Miles...the demands of the "Occupy" group are as random as they are frivolous and they are PLENTY frivolous.
I'm a political and economic pragmatist and what these people want in simple terms is to punish the "ultra elites", bring everyone down to the same level, and then continue to be lazy and yes they are lazy.
I'm of the, yes their demands are ridiculous but I can empathize with their sentiment crowd. I feel the same way about the Tea Party.
The rich are just as lazy, they just employ other lackeys to do their work for them. Basically ways to manipulate this so called global market to their own benefit. They are of no use to American society nor give anything back. They need bringing down to a less lofty mountain as all they do is take and the government is equally complicit in this economic terrorism. Democracy has been sold to corporations who are now supposedly the same as individual people.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Was Steve Jobs lazy? Is Bill Gates lazy?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThe rich are just as lazy, they just employ other lackeys to do their work for them. Basically ways to manipulate this so called global market to their own benefit. They are of no use to American society nor give anything back. They need bringing down to a less lofty mountain as all they do is take and the government is equally complicit in this economic terrorism. Democracy has been sold to corporations who are now supposedly the same as individual people.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Most rich people are the offspring of other rich people.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWas Steve Jobs lazy? Is Bill Gates lazy?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThe rich are just as lazy, they just employ other lackeys to do their work for them. Basically ways to manipulate this so called global market to their own benefit. They are of no use to American society nor give anything back. They need bringing down to a less lofty mountain as all they do is take and the government is equally complicit in this economic terrorism. Democracy has been sold to corporations who are now supposedly the same as individual people.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I'd appreciate a definition of "rich" and examples and also what percentage of their wealth are "the 99" entitled to?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesMost rich people are the offspring of other rich people.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWas Steve Jobs lazy? Is Bill Gates lazy?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThe rich are just as lazy, they just employ other lackeys to do their work for them. Basically ways to manipulate this so called global market to their own benefit. They are of no use to American society nor give anything back. They need bringing down to a less lofty mountain as all they do is take and the government is equally complicit in this economic terrorism. Democracy has been sold to corporations who are now supposedly the same as individual people.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
They are entitled to a tax of 90%. That sounds about fair, it is up to the government to decide on the appropriate thresh holds through independant research free of corporate lobbying.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongI'd appreciate a definition of "rich" and examples and also what percentage of their wealth are "the 99" entitled to?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesMost rich people are the offspring of other rich people.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWas Steve Jobs lazy? Is Bill Gates lazy?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThe rich are just as lazy, they just employ other lackeys to do their work for them. Basically ways to manipulate this so called global market to their own benefit. They are of no use to American society nor give anything back. They need bringing down to a less lofty mountain as all they do is take and the government is equally complicit in this economic terrorism. Democracy has been sold to corporations who are now supposedly the same as individual people.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I still fail to see the problem with any citizens peacefully expressing their discontent with the status quo.
He hates Steve Jobs from his response from the other thread that was shut down. He also says he doesn't use anything that Jobs have invented or innovated. Pretty funny from a guy that's probably typing from his PC that Jobs was instrumental in marketing and bringing it to daily use for the common man.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWas Steve Jobs lazy? Is Bill Gates lazy?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThe rich are just as lazy, they just employ other lackeys to do their work for them. Basically ways to manipulate this so called global market to their own benefit. They are of no use to American society nor give anything back. They need bringing down to a less lofty mountain as all they do is take and the government is equally complicit in this economic terrorism. Democracy has been sold to corporations who are now supposedly the same as individual people.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Let's be honest now there will be the have and have nots. There will be someone out there that is more talented, smarter, stronger work ethic, etc. Then there are the ones that had a poor work ethic, not as smart, and not as talented. The latter group tends to bitch and moan about people that were more talented than them. It's like a garbage man that bitches why he is not successful as that lawyer or civil engineer. Or the guy that flips burgers at Wendy's wonders how come that Physician makes more than him.
How do I keep missing all these controversial threads that keep getting shut down? Goddamn.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogHe hates Steve Jobs from his response from the other thread that was shut down. He also says he doesn't use anything that Jobs have invented or innovated. Pretty funny from a guy that's probably typing from his PC that Jobs was instrumental in marketing and bringing it to daily use for the common man.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWas Steve Jobs lazy? Is Bill Gates lazy?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThe rich are just as lazy, they just employ other lackeys to do their work for them. Basically ways to manipulate this so called global market to their own benefit. They are of no use to American society nor give anything back. They need bringing down to a less lofty mountain as all they do is take and the government is equally complicit in this economic terrorism. Democracy has been sold to corporations who are now supposedly the same as individual people.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Let's be honest now there will be the have and have nots. There will be someone out there that is more talented, smarter, stronger work ethic, etc. Then there are the ones that had a poor work ethic, not as smart, and not as talented. The latter group tends to bitch and moan about people that were more talented than them. It's like a garbage man that bitches why he is not successful as that lawyer or civil engineer. Or the guy that flips burgers at Wendy's wonders how come that Physician makes more than him.
No, it's true I don't have a great deal of time for Steve Jobs and I see nothing wrong with stating that. I live very much in the stone age when it comes to gadgets and I am very happy that way. A PC is as far as I will go but never Apple, though I don't hold that against them in any way. However, it is totally unrelated to this topic and I will point out that a Mod had a go at me first in that thread too, so I am not entirely to blame. Sometimes people overreact and Lyle is just being a fag by bringing up my disinterest in Steve Jobs. It's a vaild point of view to hold, though not terribly popular with techies.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow do I keep missing all these controversial threads that keep getting shut down? Goddamn.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogHe hates Steve Jobs from his response from the other thread that was shut down. He also says he doesn't use anything that Jobs have invented or innovated. Pretty funny from a guy that's probably typing from his PC that Jobs was instrumental in marketing and bringing it to daily use for the common man.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWas Steve Jobs lazy? Is Bill Gates lazy?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThe rich are just as lazy, they just employ other lackeys to do their work for them. Basically ways to manipulate this so called global market to their own benefit. They are of no use to American society nor give anything back. They need bringing down to a less lofty mountain as all they do is take and the government is equally complicit in this economic terrorism. Democracy has been sold to corporations who are now supposedly the same as individual people.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Let's be honest now there will be the have and have nots. There will be someone out there that is more talented, smarter, stronger work ethic, etc. Then there are the ones that had a poor work ethic, not as smart, and not as talented. The latter group tends to bitch and moan about people that were more talented than them. It's like a garbage man that bitches why he is not successful as that lawyer or civil engineer. Or the guy that flips burgers at Wendy's wonders how come that Physician makes more than him.
I must find this thread. Which board was it on?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesNo, it's true I don't have a great deal of time for Steve Jobs and I see nothing wrong with stating that. I live very much in the stone age when it comes to gadgets and I am very happy that way. A PC is as far as I will go but never Apple, though I don't hold that against them in any way. However, it is totally unrelated to this topic and I will point out that a Mod had a go at me first in that thread too, so I am not entirely to blame. Sometimes people overreact and Lyle is just being a fag by bringing up my disinterest in Steve Jobs. It's a vaild point of view to hold, though not terribly popular with techies.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow do I keep missing all these controversial threads that keep getting shut down? Goddamn.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogHe hates Steve Jobs from his response from the other thread that was shut down. He also says he doesn't use anything that Jobs have invented or innovated. Pretty funny from a guy that's probably typing from his PC that Jobs was instrumental in marketing and bringing it to daily use for the common man.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWas Steve Jobs lazy? Is Bill Gates lazy?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThe rich are just as lazy, they just employ other lackeys to do their work for them. Basically ways to manipulate this so called global market to their own benefit. They are of no use to American society nor give anything back. They need bringing down to a less lofty mountain as all they do is take and the government is equally complicit in this economic terrorism. Democracy has been sold to corporations who are now supposedly the same as individual people.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Let's be honest now there will be the have and have nots. There will be someone out there that is more talented, smarter, stronger work ethic, etc. Then there are the ones that had a poor work ethic, not as smart, and not as talented. The latter group tends to bitch and moan about people that were more talented than them. It's like a garbage man that bitches why he is not successful as that lawyer or civil engineer. Or the guy that flips burgers at Wendy's wonders how come that Physician makes more than him.
The other public non boxing board. I was ranting a bit really, but have nothing much against Jobs personally. I am just a bit irritated by the sychophantic media overplay concerning his death and said as much. It got out of hand for no particular reason, I get insulted far worse than Steve Jobs everyday on here so people should harden up a bit. The man basically made mini CD players that you can take to the park and cell phones with calculators. It's stuff that just doesn't excite me nor plays any major role in my life. Fair play to those who like to consume these things, but I don't bother with them and I'm sure many others live in a similar way.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI must find this thread. Which board was it on?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesNo, it's true I don't have a great deal of time for Steve Jobs and I see nothing wrong with stating that. I live very much in the stone age when it comes to gadgets and I am very happy that way. A PC is as far as I will go but never Apple, though I don't hold that against them in any way. However, it is totally unrelated to this topic and I will point out that a Mod had a go at me first in that thread too, so I am not entirely to blame. Sometimes people overreact and Lyle is just being a fag by bringing up my disinterest in Steve Jobs. It's a vaild point of view to hold, though not terribly popular with techies.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHHow do I keep missing all these controversial threads that keep getting shut down? Goddamn.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogHe hates Steve Jobs from his response from the other thread that was shut down. He also says he doesn't use anything that Jobs have invented or innovated. Pretty funny from a guy that's probably typing from his PC that Jobs was instrumental in marketing and bringing it to daily use for the common man.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWas Steve Jobs lazy? Is Bill Gates lazy?Quote:
Originally Posted by milesThe rich are just as lazy, they just employ other lackeys to do their work for them. Basically ways to manipulate this so called global market to their own benefit. They are of no use to American society nor give anything back. They need bringing down to a less lofty mountain as all they do is take and the government is equally complicit in this economic terrorism. Democracy has been sold to corporations who are now supposedly the same as individual people.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Let's be honest now there will be the have and have nots. There will be someone out there that is more talented, smarter, stronger work ethic, etc. Then there are the ones that had a poor work ethic, not as smart, and not as talented. The latter group tends to bitch and moan about people that were more talented than them. It's like a garbage man that bitches why he is not successful as that lawyer or civil engineer. Or the guy that flips burgers at Wendy's wonders how come that Physician makes more than him.
;D
I found the thread. Shame it was closed, I liked where it was headed. Probably cause it was on one of the public boards.
Yeah, no big deal really. I said my thing and then went to bed, I didn't expect it to get locked up, but can see why it was. I let these things move on these days. Get out while the iron is hot as they say.
As things stand I am glad to see these anti-corporate protests spreading. Lyle will have to get his gun out the way things are going. "How dare these people demand a more equal society? It's only the worst it's ever been, what are they complaining about? Pesky socialists etc!". Nutter.
I'm no "nutter" and I'm sorry if protesters annoy the crap out of me but they do. There are always drum circles and dirty fucking hippies!
And don't get me started on the secret Canadian agenda trying to brainwash American children and turn them into socialists.
Peace is for homosQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimanuel BoogustusAnd if we then kill him, we'll REALLY be set!Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHI agree. Fascism is the way of the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesExactly, a dictatorial sort with a loathing of men in shiny suits is what is needed. He should also order the hippies to shave and look presentable. Nobody can take a hippy type seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFH
Now we just need to find the right strongman/psychopath and we'll be set.
Further proof that peace is overrated :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Hahahaha, protesters fighting to expand oil production are what should upset you, but for something decent and principled like wealth redistribution? Well it is nutty to not believe in at least some level of 'levelling' out. What we currently have is a serious abortion of a system, it needs to be reformed massively.
The hippies are the ones clamoring for wealth redistribution and honestly that is 100% wrong those people are lazy stoners who just want a free ride, the industrious people of this nation have earned their wealth, now if they want Wall St out of politics that's one thing but THEY must realize they voted for Obama who let the same fucking crooks in his White House that Clinton had.....guys like Larry Summers. Now its not JUST the left that Wall St has in the bag, but its also not just the Republicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Hahahaha, protesters fighting to expand oil production are what should upset you, but for something decent and principled like wealth redistribution? Well it is nutty to not believe in at least some level of 'levelling' out. What we currently have is a serious abortion of a system, it needs to be reformed massively.
I found out why miles supports this movement.....AdBusters the Canadian people that set these protests up are well known anti-semites
I now support this not because of vast unjustified inequality which has been bought by deregulation and lobbying, but because I am an anti semite. Nice one Lyle! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
.....Never gets old ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by milesI now support this not because of vast unjustified inequality which has been bought by deregulation and lobbying, but because I am an anti semite. Nice one Lyle! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
And Lyle there is NOTHING wrong with wealth redistribution. People are not advocating that there be communism, but a certain degree of leveling out. Middle class people should not be paying proportionally more tax than the super rich, who wriggle their way out by bribing government and using accountants to find loopholes that normal people cannot use. That is unfair and unjustified. Rich people should pay more into the system than the poor and that is what makes a more stable and fair society. It has always been this way in successfully run economies. Countries that let the rich off the hook become what America has now become, a walking disaster.
People are now left with so little that they are taking to the streets and so they should. There is nothing hippie, nor radical about wanting a more justified and fair society. Democratic socialism is the most common form of democracy in the world. It is proven and it works. However, Britain and America are trying to destroy it and they are having a good go of it in Greece too. Nobody should accept Friedman style economics nor allow the IMF to dictate terms. They are insidious and corrupt ways of justifying banker supremacy and gross inequalities within societies.
There are far better methods and until the imbalance is addressed, you may very well see a new global rebellion take place in the west. And bring it on I say.