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Two of the slickest super middle/light heavies of the 90's.
Griffin was underrated and tricky as all hell, as well as full of confidence.
Eubank wasn't lacking in confidence either, and certainly had the better chin.
This would have been a chess match.
I see a pretty boring messy fight, with Chris Eubank winning a disputed SD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Yes ! Fireworks !!! ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by ICBI see a pretty boring messy fight, with Chris Eubank winning a disputed SD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
Have no doubt : Griffin would've won , unless , and even then it's just a maybe d fight takes place in d UK .
If it was simply when Griffin was hit his best then Eubanks was worn by then , if it is a prime vs prime then Griffin would still have won , as he outpointed d better (than Eubanks) Toney twice and rightfully won vs Jones as well .
Eubanks was taylor made 4 Griffin stylistically .
Griffin liked fighting cautious counter punchers and don't expect d man who beat Jones 2 lose 2 Eubanks .
I thought Montell Griffin got two gifts vs James Toney, the 1st fight was close enough but i feel James Toney edged it. But the rematch on the other hand was a total robbery James Toney won clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankenfrank
And Montel Griffin didn't beat Roy Jones, he had some success early on. Then RJJ figured him out he floored Montel Griffin, then had him in deep trouble in the 9th round. And Montel Griffin was on the verge of being stopped.
I don't agree with what RJJ done hitting Montel Griffin while he was on one knee, but Montel Griffin surely made the most of it. But i don't see how you be a winner while laying on your backside.
The difference between the two is that Chris Eubank, at his best could go to another level. He had more heart and will, aswell as being the bigger puncher.
And prime for prime if Chris Eubank felt he was losing to Montel Griffin, he would of found a way to win. Chris Eubank wasn't always a cautious counter puncher the man was in quite a few wars.
I think Technically and Athletically, Montell was better but Eubank, although fighting at lower weights, I think was stronger and definately had the better chin and seemed to have that extra magical element... I think it's a even fight. SD Griffin or TKO Eubank.
Given that Griffin was hanging with Roy Jones Jr in his pomp at light heavy, you'd have to fancy Griffin to outpoint Eubank. Eubank openly admits he would have lost to Roy.
That first Griffin-Jones Jr fight I think would have ended in Roy winning by stoppage but in terms of the round by round Griffin was hanging with Roy which is something NO ONE ELSE came close to doing during the 90s. You gota respect Griffin's skills for that fact alone.
Through 8 rounds 2 of the 3 judges had Griffin winning the fight and that was including a knockdown he suffered in the 7th. The scores were 77-75, 76-75 and 75-76.
Fuck all this judging against Jones crap. Jones faced Griffin Twice but wanted nlthing to do with Eubank!Quote:
Originally Posted by J_C
Eubank might well have been polite saying Jones might beat him but he also said Watson was a better boxer than him as well. Obviously he doesnt want to come out with "I found a way to win".
As for Griffin being the stronger man, have you not seen how Eubank looked at cruiser? Took on one of the divisionsbiggest punchers and boxed circles around him and dropped and hurt him a few times until his eye closed and the ref stopped it.
Eubank was a fighter who if coming up the ranks 5 years later would have scared the shit out of the champs like Jones and Toney bevause they know they would have had to defend against him. A man who has an awkward style who can take a punch, who has one punch knockout power and who can fight as hard as anyone.
Agreed with ICB, Eubanks achieved far more than Montell, at there best Eubanks would have beaten him. Did not think Montell fought at super middle and Eubanks only fought at light heavy at the end of his career, so a bit of an unfair comparison.
Assuming this is a "p4p" at best go regardless of weight? Toney 2 (1st fight was a bs call I think) and asterisk win vs Jones aside....Griffin lost to the world class and top tier he fought. He was crafty as hell but I think Eubank to strong in chin, punch and mind to lose to Griffin who didn't exactly set a pace similar to those that had troubled Eubank.
Montell proved in his wins over James Toney , he was a smart boxer.
To smart for Chris he wins on points.
Frank Maloney offered Eubank the Griffin fight in '95, but for pittance (compared to Eubanks millions) and at the Royal Albert Hall (hardly Earls Court or Old Trafford)!
Griffin was very short and compact, like Lindell Holmes, but didn't have Holmes's skills, though he was very tricky and crafty and difficult. Toney and Jones struggled because they didn't have (or use) effective rangey left jabs - Eubank did. I see Eubank staying out of distance, stepping in with his untelegraphed stiff jab at the right times, doubling it and grinding Griffin down; Griffin's head would be in the right pos. See Chris against short, squat guys (Thornton, Giminez, Holmes and Wharton) and how effective his jab is when he uses it - he can't miss. He had those high hips, and that stretchy waist to pull back out. Very effective.
IDK if and when u watched these fights .Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI thought Montell Griffin got two gifts vs James Toney, the 1st fight was close enough but i feel James Toney edged it. But the rematch on the other hand was a total robbery James Toney won clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankenfrank
And Montel Griffin didn't beat Roy Jones, he had some success early on. Then RJJ figured him out he floored Montel Griffin, then had him in deep trouble in the 9th round. And Montel Griffin was on the verge of being stopped.
I don't agree with what RJJ done hitting Montel Griffin while he was on one knee, but Montel Griffin surely made the most of it. But i don't see how you be a winner while laying on your backside.
The difference between the two is that Chris Eubank, at his best could go to another level. He had more heart and will, aswell as being the bigger puncher.
And prime for prime if Chris Eubank felt he was losing to Montel Griffin, he would of found a way to win. Chris Eubank wasn't always a cautious counter puncher the man was in quite a few wars.
If u did , then u were effected by George Foreman's commentary , he is James Toney's biggest nuthugger in d world . Toney didn't beat Griffin . Griffin was in trouble vs Jones when Jones did what he did , but would have made it 2d end of d round and recuperated during d break and would have been back 2 feeding Jones shit . Chris Eubank didn't win even against some stiffs in that tour of his , don't remember d tour's name but 1 of d fighters there was Dan Sherry , Eubanks didn't beat him .
Eubank's lost his O way b4 Steve Collins .
Lindell Holmes was 9 years older than Eubanks when they fought , just imagine if it was d opposite , Chris Eubanks in his 30s (D 1 who fought Calzaghe 4 instance) vs a prime Lindell Holmes . This is what his "win" vs Thornton is worth .
Montell Griffin fought d best while Chris Eubanks avoided d best and when he just came close 2 fighting d best he lost his "O" , despite he actually lost it much earlier against far lesser opponents .
Roy Jones actually used d jab a lot vs Griffin , he just didn't even try 2 land it because Griffin was countering him and pressuring him and if he gave Jones and Toney d problems that he did then he would have beaten Eubanks . Griffin was also stronger than Eubanks and was accustomed fighting bigger men than Eubanks and schooling them . How will Eubanks beat him with his jab if Eric Harding , a very good lightheavy who beat Tarver and probably Dawson 2 went down vs Griffin and I doubt both verdicts : Dawson's over Harding and Harding's over Griffin .
Eubank had a lot more range on his punches (/jab) than Jones or Toney, feet touching canvas. The times he'd lay in after lunging would be when Griffin catches him with little sneaky shots. It would be tricky, but Eubank would get him out eventually, provided he jabbed in.
For what its worth I think Griffin would have won a decision, he was very very clever, crafty, and just an overall bitch to fight.
He could slip very well and was a good counter puncher. Fast as well.
Imagine Griffin vs. Benn ! Benn would be so frustrated trying to catch the little bastard !;D
Would like to see Calzaghe vs Montell as well think it would of been a pretty good fight. Another one i like to see is Hearns vs Montell i mean he was not the best at the weight but he was a hell of a boxer.
The 2nd Toney/Griffin is considered controversial, many people thought James Toney won the fight. I had James Toney winning clearly and didn't the HBO commentators think it was highly controversial aswell ?Quote:
Originally Posted by frankenfrankIDK if and when u watched these fights .Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI thought Montell Griffin got two gifts vs James Toney, the 1st fight was close enough but i feel James Toney edged it. But the rematch on the other hand was a total robbery James Toney won clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankenfrank
And Montel Griffin didn't beat Roy Jones, he had some success early on. Then RJJ figured him out he floored Montel Griffin, then had him in deep trouble in the 9th round. And Montel Griffin was on the verge of being stopped.
I don't agree with what RJJ done hitting Montel Griffin while he was on one knee, but Montel Griffin surely made the most of it. But i don't see how you be a winner while laying on your backside.
The difference between the two is that Chris Eubank, at his best could go to another level. He had more heart and will, aswell as being the bigger puncher.
And prime for prime if Chris Eubank felt he was losing to Montel Griffin, he would of found a way to win. Chris Eubank wasn't always a cautious counter puncher the man was in quite a few wars.
If u did , then u were effected by George Foreman's commentary , he is James Toney's biggest nuthugger in d world . Toney didn't beat Griffin . Griffin was in trouble vs Jones when Jones did what he did , but would have made it 2d end of d round and recuperated during d break and would have been back 2 feeding Jones shit . Chris Eubank didn't win even against some stiffs in that tour of his , don't remember d tour's name but 1 of d fighters there was Dan Sherry , Eubanks didn't beat him .
Eubank's lost his O way b4 Steve Collins .
Lindell Holmes was 9 years older than Eubanks when they fought , just imagine if it was d opposite , Chris Eubanks in his 30s (D 1 who fought Calzaghe 4 instance) vs a prime Lindell Holmes . This is what his "win" vs Thornton is worth .
Montell Griffin fought d best while Chris Eubanks avoided d best and when he just came close 2 fighting d best he lost his "O" , despite he actually lost it much earlier against far lesser opponents .
Roy Jones actually used d jab a lot vs Griffin , he just didn't even try 2 land it because Griffin was countering him and pressuring him and if he gave Jones and Toney d problems that he did then he would have beaten Eubanks . Griffin was also stronger than Eubanks and was accustomed fighting bigger men than Eubanks and schooling them . How will Eubanks beat him with his jab if Eric Harding , a very good lightheavy who beat Tarver and probably Dawson 2 went down vs Griffin and I doubt both verdicts : Dawson's over Harding and Harding's over Griffin .
I mean you talk about Chris Eubank's controversial decision's, but then forget Montel Griffin got a total gift vs James Toney in there 2nd fight. And the 1st fight was close enough that it could of gone either way, but i also felt James Toney won that aswell.
You really think Montel Griffin would of comeback vs Roy Jones ? he'd already been down in the 7th round, and was all over the place in the 9th round and actually did go down a 2nd time.
There's no way Montel Griffin would of survived, which is why he made the most of the situation by acting up which was obvious. And didn't he get destroyed in less than a round in the rematch ?
How many bigger men did Montel Griffin school ? he was destroyed by Tarver, Michalczweski. I don't remember him schooling anyone, the highlight of his career was getting a win over a lazy James Toney, but got a total gift in the rematch. And putting up a competitive fight with Roy Jones for 7 rounds, until he got worked out.
Chris Eubank was very physically strong also, as someone already pointed out. He was able to move up to Cruiserweight and stand toe to toe with a big punching Cruiserweight, so im not so sure than Montel Griffin is physically stronger than Chris Eubank.
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Originally Posted by frankenfrankIDK if and when u watched these fights .Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBI thought Montell Griffin got two gifts vs James Toney, the 1st fight was close enough but i feel James Toney edged it. But the rematch on the other hand was a total robbery James Toney won clearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by frankenfrank
And Montel Griffin didn't beat Roy Jones, he had some success early on. Then RJJ figured him out he floored Montel Griffin, then had him in deep trouble in the 9th round. And Montel Griffin was on the verge of being stopped.
I don't agree with what RJJ done hitting Montel Griffin while he was on one knee, but Montel Griffin surely made the most of it. But i don't see how you be a winner while laying on your backside.
The difference between the two is that Chris Eubank, at his best could go to another level. He had more heart and will, aswell as being the bigger puncher.
And prime for prime if Chris Eubank felt he was losing to Montel Griffin, he would of found a way to win. Chris Eubank wasn't always a cautious counter puncher the man was in quite a few wars.
If u did , then u were effected by George Foreman's commentary , he is James Toney's biggest nuthugger in d world . Toney didn't beat Griffin . Griffin was in trouble vs Jones when Jones did what he did , but would have made it 2d end of d round and recuperated during d break and would have been back 2 feeding Jones shit . Chris Eubank didn't win even against some stiffs in that tour of his , don't remember d tour's name but 1 of d fighters there was Dan Sherry , Eubanks didn't beat him .
Eubank's lost his O way b4 Steve Collins .
Lindell Holmes was 9 years older than Eubanks when they fought , just imagine if it was d opposite , Chris Eubanks in his 30s (D 1 who fought Calzaghe 4 instance) vs a prime Lindell Holmes . This is what his "win" vs Thornton is worth .
Montell Griffin fought d best while Chris Eubanks avoided d best and when he just came close 2 fighting d best he lost his "O" , despite he actually lost it much earlier against far lesser opponents .
Roy Jones actually used d jab a lot vs Griffin , he just didn't even try 2 land it because Griffin was countering him and pressuring him and if he gave Jones and Toney d problems that he did then he would have beaten Eubanks . Griffin was also stronger than Eubanks and was accustomed fighting bigger men than Eubanks and schooling them . How will Eubanks beat him with his jab if Eric Harding , a very good lightheavy who beat Tarver and probably Dawson 2 went down vs Griffin and I doubt both verdicts : Dawson's over Harding and Harding's over Griffin .
I didn't think Toney won d fight and it is 1 of my most favorite full 12 rounders 2 watch , I watched it 5 times maybe 6 and don't think Toney beat Griffin in it .Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
It was not such a gift decision .Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
There is a possibility that Jones would have stopped him late but Jones was starting 2 gas himself as well which is y he felt d urge 2 foul like he did .Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Regarding Griffin vs Jones #2 I will tell this :
Griffin was rushed in2 d ring without being allowed d time 2 get himself ready b4 d fight , which
was completely deliberate and planned of course which is y Jones appeared so surprisingly
aggressive , it was that simple : Jones "caught" Griffin cold after being told by his people who took
care that Griffin will come cold in2 d ring .
Griffin gave both Toney*2 and Jones even fights and may have a claim in beating Eric Harding who beat Tarver and gave Jones a tough fight himself until he injured himself .Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I haven't really seen enough of Montell Griffin...however, Chris Eubank wears a monocle. Therefore, he wins.
Nobody beats Eubank..Steve Collins cheated with his hypnosis crap and Calzaghe fought him with only 10 minutes notice. Karl Thompson also did voodoo on Eubank's eye to swell it shut as he didn't lay a glove on Chris. Compubox counted 0 punches landed for Karl at the time of the stoppage if I remember right. A record for sure.
Chris Eubank was amazing, my favourite British fighter of all time :cool: Forget his record..remember the memories.
"Simply the best" ;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Althugz