Trainer Kenny Adams:" Valero would've beaten Pacquiao, without a doubt "

" Pacquiao would have gotten beat by him, period. Without a doubt, no doubt in my mind. As a matter of fact, I had already thought of a gameplan, we were already talking to fight him, and I had thought of a game plan on beating him. Now, it would have been a tough fight, but we were going to prove that we were the better people. I'm the better trainer and he was the better fighter, without a doubt. "

-Kenny Adams

I agree.. The V-nom would have fucked his shit up and tore him a new asshole.. Pac is lucky that Valero isn't around.. smh

easy to say when your fighter is dead..

Valero wouldn't have even made it out of 135 against Marquez...

Pacquiao would've destroyed Valero, without a doubt.

.... fifteen seconds of glory. There!

Valero with chin up high, little head movement, and poor lateral footwork? Manny would've KOed him probably faster than Hatton.

Cool story bro.

Valero couldn't even win against his demons...stupid comments like that just goes to show how some people are blinded by there own crap

job biscuit (MOT)!!!

eh eh!!!

Do you mean the same Adams who said Charles Murray could beat Chavez and then went on to be out hustled and out muscled for his belt by an unknown with 6 ko's on his record and lose Adams ???

actually I think Adams is in a bad way right now and I hope he rebounds healthwise.

El INca was Pacman's Kryptonite and he would have beat that ass from pillar to post. Pac thought Agapito sanchez was a beast, wait until this madman gets his hands on him.. This notion of Valero being a one dimesional slugger is one of the biggest misconceptions. He was alot more than that but there's a reason why he looked so crude more time than not. I know this for a fact cuz ive trained with him a couple times in LA around 04. I got to study his style upclose and he surely aint one dimensional..
If I had to make a comparison, Ill mention someone like Morales... He was actually a great technician/counter puncher when had to be and chose to be but he'd rather fight because that was who he was by nature.. He was a composed brawler-boxer..

On top of that, when Teiken was first bringing him up, Mr. Honda made a personal deal with Valero. Goldenboy couldnt sign him due to his brain injuries so when Teiken took him to Japan, they had to build him up and they wanted to do it by selling him as this beast of a KO puncher.. So Teiken made a side deal with Valero.. For every first round KOs he scored, he'd receive a $100,000 bonus money and they matched him up accordingly.. They were guys who couldnt have threatened Valero in any way so this dude just decided to abandon his skills and hunt for that Knockout which made him look like a crude fighter.. But the man was a skilled fighter, a scary counter puncher when he wanted to be.. This is a fact.

Sparring or not, it's very obvious that this man was versatile..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnROy5y3jYg

Watch 3:50 mark.. This beast never took it easy on guys even in sparring.. Kinda fucked up but that was how he was. He wanted to own dudes in there..lol It's probably why Antillon talks the way he does today..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncbYxf2mO0c

THis was when he was fighting below 135, years ago.. even back then, he was punking much bigger fighers like the santa cruz brothers.. If I remember correct, JEsus Soto Karass and Juan Lazcano sparred him once and didnt ever want to spar with him again..

Valero was a refined beast and a maniac.. He would have beat the shit out of Pacman..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6gIbjiy48c

Valero was good and promising but is still miles away from the Pacman speed and movement. I think that under Roach, Pacquiao would have eaten Valero alive like Pacman o poppers would do a number on inky, blinky, pinky or clyde.

It was Aerosmith who sang Dream On wasn't it?

Finto,

You anti-pacness is starting to annoy me...

What a BIG fluffy story... Valero would also probably KO a sasquatch without much difficulty if he happens to find one! LOL.

RIP, don't you mind these fluffers, Edwin.

Let it be!

I could beat Pacquiao...:p

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STFU Michael Phelps ;D

Valero was alot better than most people are making him out to be in this thread.

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Valero was alot better than most people are making him out to be in this thread.

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he was also a lot less proven at a world stage than some are making him out to be, his two biggest wins are against DeMarco and Pitelua, neither guy really on the level of Marquez or Pacquiao

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Valero was alot better than most people are making him out to be in this thread.

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Bingo.. U know what roger mayweather says though. Most people dont know shit about boxing..like really really know.


Any boxing fan whos knowledgable and objective would realize that valero was a special talent.

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Valero was alot better than most people are making him out to be in this thread.

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Bingo.. U know what roger mayweather says though. Most people dont know shit about boxing..like really really know.


Any boxing fan whos knowledgable and objective would realize that valero was a special talent.

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yea so anyone who disagree's with you doesn't know boxing?!?!

first off given how unstable Valero was (hello look how the guys life ended), i doubt he would have had the mental build up to deal with the pressure of fighting guys like Marquez or Pacquiao, his hands weren't all that fast, he had better skill than most give him credit for but wasn't a technical fighter and was hit cleanly and often against weaker opposition, so to say that a guy who hadn't ever fought the best at any weight class he fought in would have just steamrolled against JMM and Pacquiao is a bit ridiculous

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Valero was good and promising but is still miles away from the Pacman speed and movement. I think that under Roach, Pacquiao would have eaten Valero alive like Pacman o poppers would do a number on inky, blinky, pinky or clyde.

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Valero was a waste.

Boxing writers that saw him in the gym years ago (dougie fisher of ring and previously maxboxing comes to mind) said he had unbelievable potential.
But he had the motorcycle accident (brain bleed to some degree) and couldn't get licensed in US. He went overseas and by all accounts was training himself. The footwork and technique he had prior to going overseas degraded.

He came back, had a few fights and looked like a beast. Yet, he dumped Adams (reportedly because he had become accustomed to doing things his own way). He needed a good trainer that would refine his technique and footwork.


apparently he was schizophrenic and we all know how it ended.

Adams can have his opinion but he would have been better served to say something like, " I wish Valero could have conquered his demons. If he had been able to do so and had worked on his technique and underrated boxing skills he could have competed at the highest levels of the sport. I could even have seen him beating a fighter as great as Manny Pacquiao. "

But like normal a trainer, manager, promoter, or fighter speaks in complete over the top hyperbole.