Can you hit behind the head if opponent bent over?

Behind the head whilst standing is a flagrant foul. But I have seen countless scenarios where 1 fighter is crouched down so low where his head is about even with the other fighter's thighs, and he gets slammed square in the back of the skull with a downward punch. If he keeps his goddam head way down there like that, is it permitted that the other fighter can chop down right onto the back of his skull? It NEVER gets a warning as far as I have seen. He is giving no other target than the back of his head.

Is it not illegal to crouch below your opponents waistline ?
Floyd managed to hit Hatton on the back of his head I remember and didnt get warned, Hattons head was outside the ropes at the time tho.

Found it:
You can't hold your opponent and hit him at the same time, or duck so low that your head is below your opponent's belt line
http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Rules_of_Boxing

Floyd should of been DQ'ed against Hatton then, but it was Cortez and he dont know shit !

floyd is 1 big DiQk

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Originally Posted by Mattyhitman

Is it not illegal to crouch below your opponents waistline ?
Floyd managed to hit Hatton on the back of his head I remember and didnt get warned, Hattons head was outside the ropes at the time tho.

Found it:
You can't hold your opponent and hit him at the same time, or duck so low that your head is below your opponent's belt line
Rules of Boxing - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Floyd should of been DQ'ed against Hatton then, but it was Cortez and he dont know shit !

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Yep, if one fighter breaks the rules and the opponent has only broken the rules because of it, then the opponents rule flouting doesnt really count. Like a fighter turning his back outside of a break or ducking below the belt line. Its not the opponents fault but it is the refs fault for allowing it to happen.

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Originally Posted by Mattyhitman

Is it not illegal to crouch below your opponents waistline ?
Floyd managed to hit Hatton on the back of his head I remember and didnt get warned, Hattons head was outside the ropes at the time tho.

Found it:
You can't hold your opponent and hit him at the same time, or duck so low that your head is below your opponent's belt line
Rules of Boxing - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Floyd should of been DQ'ed against Hatton then, but it was Cortez and he dont know shit !

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don't try to play that bullshit cause Hatton has been known to hit plenty of his opponents in the back of the head while clinching, Tszyu and Floyd just being some of them

I wouldn't think so and it shouldn't be allowed in any case. Not only can you get a legit injury but its also an unwise move by a fighter as it affords oppurtunistic sorts a chance to do a Luis Santana and take your title while laying on ones back...twice. At the time actual damage cannot be determined really but to open the door is bad enough.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Behind the head whilst standing is a flagrant foul. But I have seen countless scenarios where 1 fighter is crouched down so low where his head is about even with the other fighter's thighs, and he gets slammed square in the back of the skull with a downward punch. If he keeps his goddam head way down there like that, is it permitted that the other fighter can chop down right onto the back of his skull? It NEVER gets a warning as far as I have seen. He is giving no other target than the back of his head.

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This reminds me of Sergio Martinez vs Kermit Cintron. Not sure about the deduction. The other guy was ducking when Sergio threw the punch. You be the judge.

A punch to the back of the head can be fatal. Not only is your cervical vertebrae exposed, (and more so when bent over) and therefor your spinal cord, but it is also where your brain stem resides. Here is where crucial body systems on which we are dependent are controlled, (breathing, heartbeat etc). If you have ever been out lamping you will know that a swift smack on the back of Bugs head will make Elma Fudd redundant, hence a "rabbit punch" so no it isn't allowed and should be stopped by the ref with a warning. If tho an opponent insists on trying to ( and im not being Flomophobic here) bending forward below the waist, you should just uppercut the crass, tax dodging, ego maniac in his big ole blabber mouth.

This reminds me of Francisco Lorenzo's controversial win against Humberto Soto. Joe Cortez (him, again!!!) disqualified Soto for an illegal blow to the back of the head while Lorenzo is down. The WBC refused to recognize Lorenzo as the champion because it is believed that he overdramatized the effects of the blow.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

Behind the head whilst standing is a flagrant foul. But I have seen countless scenarios where 1 fighter is crouched down so low where his head is about even with the other fighter's thighs, and he gets slammed square in the back of the skull with a downward punch. If he keeps his goddam head way down there like that, is it permitted that the other fighter can chop down right onto the back of his skull? It NEVER gets a warning as far as I have seen. He is giving no other target than the back of his head.

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This reminds me of Sergio Martinez vs Kermit Cintron. Not sure about the deduction. The other guy was ducking when Sergio threw the punch. You be the judge.

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I hate to see fighters using the back of there head as a defence mechanism. They also cant be hit when they turn around. I would say if you break the rule protect yourself at all times which this clearly is, then its fair game, but if that was the case people would be getting punched in the back of the head all the time and it would be a very dangerous sport.
I would like to see a more point deductions for putting your head down all the time. A couple of warnings from the ref and then a point taken.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Mattyhitman

Is it not illegal to crouch below your opponents waistline ?
Floyd managed to hit Hatton on the back of his head I remember and didnt get warned, Hattons head was outside the ropes at the time tho.

Found it:
You can't hold your opponent and hit him at the same time, or duck so low that your head is below your opponent's belt line
Rules of Boxing - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Floyd should of been DQ'ed against Hatton then, but it was Cortez and he dont know shit !

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don't try to play that bullshit cause Hatton has been known to hit plenty of his opponents in the back of the head while clinching, Tszyu and Floyd just being some of them

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I wasnt talking about back of the head in relation to Floyd Hatton, it was the ducking below the waistline that Floyd was continually doing to avoid being hit, this, as it states, is illegal, and should of been addressed ;)
I cannot control what the boxers do or what the ref does, just simply telling it as it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYrZ8KX_Hfo

... you should be able to.

i agree Mar, esp since Marciano knocked out Charles with 1 like that in a 6 punch combination.

Hopkins complains about it all the time, think opponents deliberately do it to needle him.

Benn ducked and dived using this method at the end of his career.

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Originally Posted by Master

Hopkins complains about it all the time, think opponents deliberately do it to needle him.

Benn ducked and dived using this method at the end of his career.

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yeah Benn also nearly killed Gerald McClellan using this method as well.

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYrZ8KX_Hfo

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Haye is quite clearly hitting the side of Harrisons head. The rest of the comments are frankly laughable. "Clever" since when was Audley clever.

haye is a filthy freakin fuck face fellow.

Honestly, in the heat of the "battle" and your opponent bobs , weaves, dips, as he tries to attack or to avoid getting hit I guess it's legal. I'm not talking about chopping down/tomahawking on the on the back of the head. That's not cool.

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Originally Posted by Mattyhitman

Is it not illegal to crouch below your opponents waistline ?
Floyd managed to hit Hatton on the back of his head I remember and didnt get warned, Hattons head was outside the ropes at the time tho.

Found it:
You can't hold your opponent and hit him at the same time, or duck so low that your head is below your opponent's belt line
Rules of Boxing - Boxrec Boxing Encyclopaedia

Floyd should of been DQ'ed against Hatton then, but it was Cortez and he dont know shit !

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That's all well and good in most divisions, but what about the heavyweights where we have some really big guys like Valuev and Klitschko, who already fight in an upright way against guys who are practically starting around the height of the belt line anyway?

I think that as long as it is approached practically, and as EZ E mentioned direct shots to the back of the head aren't becoming an issue, then by ducking so low fighters are inviting such punches, and as such get exactly what they deserve.

SUPERHEAV I have to agree pretty with you on this one. The ref must appraise/evaluate the situation and hopefully make the PROPER call.

Yes you can if you name is B Hopp this man no's how to foul,and i would say one of the best at dirty fighting, all way's getting away with it up to now. ? :sheep:

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

haye is a filthy freakin fuck face fellow.

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I take it your not a big fan then?

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Originally Posted by Greenbeanz

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

haye is a filthy freakin fuck face fellow.

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I take it your not a big fan then?

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He's certainly a big fan of alliteration, if not of Haye himself. It might not quite be V for Vendetta, but it's certainly A for Agenda, with the aggressive allegations against amazing athletes.

completely, comprehensively and clearly cuttingly correct.

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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun

[ aggressive allegations against amazing athletes.

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I admit defeat on this one. I have been outdone by that impeccably sweet-sounding sentence.