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Did Hopkins past antics and play acting catch up with him last night?
In the past Hopkins has faked injury to give him an advantage,the Calzaghe fight is a prime example.
Do you think this afected the reffs desisions last night.
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Re: Did Hopkins past antics and play acting catch up with him last night?
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porkypara
In the past Hopkins has faked injury to give him an advantage,the Calzaghe fight is a prime example.
Do you think this afected the reffs desisions last night.
wel, using your example, JC faked hitting people to gain advantages in his fights and never got reprimanded for it.
I think the referee should be sacked, tbh. They employee some idiots as refs.
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Re: Did Hopkins past antics and play acting catch up with him last night?
Dunno if its affected the refs decision but its definately why here is so much talk about the validity of the injury
When it happened my first reaction was he was faking it
He had his face screwed up before he hit the floor the lent on it to get up
I cant understand why he would fake an injury to end a fight at the stage it was at tho, whats the point?
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Re: Did Hopkins past antics and play acting catch up with him last night?
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In the past Hopkins has faked injury to give him an advantage,the Calzaghe fight is a prime example.
Do you think this afected the reffs desisions last night.
wel, using your example, JC faked hitting people to gain advantages in his fights and never got reprimanded for it.
I think the referee should be sacked, tbh. They employee some idiots as refs.
Dont understand your point about Calzaghe fake hitting people.
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RohanKnight
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porkypara
In the past Hopkins has faked injury to give him an advantage,the Calzaghe fight is a prime example.
Do you think this afected the reffs desisions last night.
wel, using your example, JC faked hitting people to gain advantages in his fights and never got reprimanded for it.
I think the referee should be sacked, tbh. They employee some idiots as refs.
Dont understand your point about Calzaghe fake hitting people.
Sorry, I was referring to Calslappy. Different guy entirely.
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RohanKnight
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porkypara
In the past Hopkins has faked injury to give him an advantage,the Calzaghe fight is a prime example.
Do you think this afected the reffs desisions last night.
wel, using your example, JC faked hitting people to gain advantages in his fights and never got reprimanded for it.
I think the referee should be sacked, tbh. They employee some idiots as refs.
Dont understand your point about Calzaghe fake hitting people.
Sorry, I was referring to Calslappy. Different guy entirely.
The reality is you dont know what you are talking about.
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porkypara
In the past Hopkins has faked injury to give him an advantage,the Calzaghe fight is a prime example.
Do you think this afected the reffs desisions last night.
wel, using your example, JC faked hitting people to gain advantages in his fights and never got reprimanded for it.
I think the referee should be sacked, tbh. They employee some idiots as refs.
Dont understand your point about Calzaghe fake hitting people.
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Sorry, I was referring to Calslappy. Different guy entirely.
The reality is you dont know what you are talking about.
Well, true, I'll concede that 'faking anothers punches on you' and 'faking your own punches perceived effect' are on different levels, the former is a direct cheat but still a common tool(Calzaghe used it too), the latter is a boxing tool to pick up points a la Sugar Ray Leonard v Hagler. I was definitely below the belt there, if you'll forgive the pun.
Mind you, I think you'll find the nickname Calslappy is well known in boxing, so I'm happy to be in a good company not knowing what its talking about.
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In the past Hopkins has faked injury to give him an advantage,the Calzaghe fight is a prime example.
Do you think this afected the reffs desisions last night.
wel, using your example, JC faked hitting people to gain advantages in his fights and never got reprimanded for it.
I think the referee should be sacked, tbh. They employee some idiots as refs.
Dont understand your point about Calzaghe fake hitting people.
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Sorry, I was referring to Calslappy. Different guy entirely.
The reality is you dont know what you are talking about.
Well, true, I'll concede that 'faking anothers punches on you' and 'faking your own punches perceived effect' are on different levels, the former is a direct cheat but still a common tool(Calzaghe used it too), the latter is a boxing tool to pick up points a la Sugar Ray Leonard v Hagler. I was definitely below the belt there, if you'll forgive the pun.
Mind you, I think you'll find the nickname Calslappy is well known in boxing, so I'm happy to be in a good company not knowing what its talking about.
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Dont think Jeff Lacy would agree with you.:p
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In the past Hopkins has faked injury to give him an advantage,the Calzaghe fight is a prime example.
Do you think this afected the reffs desisions last night.
wel, using your example, JC faked hitting people to gain advantages in his fights and never got reprimanded for it.
I think the referee should be sacked, tbh. They employee some idiots as refs.
Dont understand your point about Calzaghe fake hitting people.
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Sorry, I was referring to Calslappy. Different guy entirely.
The reality is you dont know what you are talking about.
Well, true, I'll concede that 'faking anothers punches on you' and 'faking your own punches perceived effect' are on different levels, the former is a direct cheat but still a common tool(Calzaghe used it too), the latter is a boxing tool to pick up points a la Sugar Ray Leonard v Hagler. I was definitely below the belt there, if you'll forgive the pun.
Mind you, I think you'll find the nickname Calslappy is well known in boxing, so I'm happy to be in a good company not knowing what its talking about.
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Dont think Jeff Lacy would agree with you.:p
thank you! an excellent example of a single fight that I was trying to get you to post.
You are right that its unfair for Calzaghe to be judged as a slap artist on the basis of only a portion of his fights. I am glad you agree that it would be much fairer to judge fighters on their performance on each fight alone - which is my point in being, no one should judge BHop's performance against Dawson on the basis of a previous fight he cheated in.
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In the past Hopkins has faked injury to give him an advantage,the Calzaghe fight is a prime example.
Do you think this afected the reffs desisions last night.
wel, using your example, JC faked hitting people to gain advantages in his fights and never got reprimanded for it.
I think the referee should be sacked, tbh. They employee some idiots as refs.
Dont understand your point about Calzaghe fake hitting people.
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Sorry, I was referring to Calslappy. Different guy entirely.
The reality is you dont know what you are talking about.
Well, true, I'll concede that 'faking anothers punches on you' and 'faking your own punches perceived effect' are on different levels, the former is a direct cheat but still a common tool(Calzaghe used it too), the latter is a boxing tool to pick up points a la Sugar Ray Leonard v Hagler. I was definitely below the belt there, if you'll forgive the pun.
Mind you, I think you'll find the nickname Calslappy is well known in boxing, so I'm happy to be in a good company not knowing what its talking about.
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Dont think Jeff Lacy would agree with you.:p
thank you! an excellent example of a single fight that I was trying to get you to post.
You are right that its unfair for Calzaghe to be judged as a slap artist on the basis of only a portion of his fights. I am glad you agree that it would be much fairer to judge fighters on their performance on each fight alone - which is my point in being,
no one should judge BHop's performance against Dawson on the basis of a previous fight he cheated in.
That is true but it was hard not to think he was faking it when you look at the amount of times in a fight that he did something illegal. Literally almost every single fight. I think what might have happened is that Hopkins was doing another of his moves where he tries to buy time by saying he was hurt and then after taking 5 minutes off he comes back.
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Re: Did Hopkins past antics and play acting catch up with him last night?
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In the past Hopkins has faked injury to give him an advantage,the Calzaghe fight is a prime example.
Do you think this afected the reffs desisions last night.
Absolutely. It was a terrible call and I'm certain it will be overturned, but it was 100% due to Hopkins reputation. Refs don't like being made fools of and all Hopkins bullshit caught up to him last night.
That said, I expect it to (rightly) end up as a N/C and we'll see a rematch within 6 months. Hopefully it's not a career-ender, but at Hopkins age it might be.
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In the past Hopkins has faked injury to give him an advantage,the Calzaghe fight is a prime example.
Do you think this afected the reffs desisions last night.
wel, using your example, JC faked hitting people to gain advantages in his fights and never got reprimanded for it.
I think the referee should be sacked, tbh. They employee some idiots as refs.
Dont understand your point about Calzaghe fake hitting people.
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Sorry, I was referring to Calslappy. Different guy entirely.
The reality is you dont know what you are talking about.
Well, true, I'll concede that 'faking anothers punches on you' and 'faking your own punches perceived effect' are on different levels, the former is a direct cheat but still a common tool(Calzaghe used it too), the latter is a boxing tool to pick up points a la Sugar Ray Leonard v Hagler. I was definitely below the belt there, if you'll forgive the pun.
Mind you, I think you'll find the nickname Calslappy is well known in boxing, so I'm happy to be in a good company not knowing what its talking about.
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Dont think Jeff Lacy would agree with you.:p
thank you! an excellent example of a single fight that I was trying to get you to post.
You are right that its unfair for Calzaghe to be judged as a slap artist on the basis of only a portion of his fights. I am glad you agree that it would be much fairer to judge fighters on their performance on each fight alone - which is my point in being,
no one should judge BHop's performance against Dawson on the basis of a previous fight he cheated in.
That is true but it was hard not to think he was faking it when you look at the amount of times in a fight that he did something illegal. Literally almost every single fight. I think what might have happened is that Hopkins was doing another of his moves where he tries to buy time by saying he was hurt and then after taking 5 minutes off he comes back.
yeah i mean you can definitely make that point about later rounds, when old Bhop gassses against fitter young men. But in round 2? We all know Bhop can fight wellat a fair rate for at least 5 rounds(v Calzaghe) today, and can win over the distance if he is allowed to canter (vRJJ). But how can a ref believe he was looking to get air in round 2?
Tbh I havent seen a lot of Bhops fights yet, so I may have to defer to your knowledge on this one.
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Re: Did Hopkins past antics and play acting catch up with him last night?
I reckon the crowd had a LOT to do with the decision, a hall full of booing all round, they were out to shoot down Hopkins based on his reputation.
Such a bad ref to be influenced so markedly, but he must have been swayed by that, did he even examine Bhops shoulder before making that decision?
Referees should have some minimum medical knowledge, for instance to recognise a possible lumped out shoulder, if they are allowed to make decisions like this. I absolutely cant see a football referee not noticing that a player has a dislocated shoulder, even the worst possible fakers like some of Italy's squad (many times owrse than Bernard) you can determine if they are faking it with a close look, so I think its fair to call the referee a complete oaf on this one for not getting a doctor to look at the shoulder properly before deciding.
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Re: Did Hopkins past antics and play acting catch up with him last night?
I think his history has something to do with it, yes..
Nard has a long history of bitchassness and the ref knew about it.. obviously.
He tried that bullshit with Antwon Echols, Robert Allen, Calzaghe, Roy rematch and now this... Ref isn't stupid.
Conman got conned..
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Re: Did Hopkins past antics and play acting catch up with him last night?
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porkypara
In the past Hopkins has faked injury to give him an advantage,the Calzaghe fight is a prime example.
Do you think this afected the reffs desisions last night.
wel, using your example, JC faked hitting people to gain advantages in his fights and never got reprimanded for it.
I think the referee should be sacked, tbh. They employee some idiots as refs.
That's iditiotic. By that logic, Paulie Malignaggi should get points deducted for punching.
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Re: Did Hopkins past antics and play acting catch up with him last night?
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I think his history has something to do with it, yes..
Nard has a long history of bitchassness and the ref knew about it.. obviously.
He tried that bullshit with Antwon Echols, Robert Allen, Calzaghe, Roy rematch and now this... Ref isn't stupid.
Conman got conned..
I don't always agree with Finito, but he's on point here. I think Hopkins was trying to buy time off and got caught.
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Re: Did Hopkins past antics and play acting catch up with him last night?
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FinitoElDinamita
I think his history has something to do with it, yes..
Nard has a long history of bitchassness and the ref knew about it.. obviously.
He tried that bullshit with Antwon Echols, Robert Allen, Calzaghe, Roy rematch and now this... Ref isn't stupid.
Conman got conned..
Ah. The same Allen who laced him and had him in a headlock before Mills came in and poked Allen in the eye and both all but ushered Hopkins thru the ropes? Same bithcass Hopkins who when back in ring was telling Ratner 'Its my call Doc, I can fight'. I ain't no Dr but hitting the floor off an officials hand is what it is, and properly called a NC.
Allen got his rematch too...and got owned while putting on one of the hardest acting jobs I've ever seen it the ring trying to win via DQ to where ref was almost literally laughing at him "come on man" at one point and his corner had to remind him 'you can't win on the ground' :-X
Same bitchass Hopkins who was lifted and tossed on mat by grimy Echols, who lost points, but got up and dominated same entire 6th round with left hand, eventually smacking him around like a drunk on Bourbon street for the win? He didn't have to 'try' a thing.
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I think his history has something to do with it, yes..
Nard has a long history of bitchassness and the ref knew about it.. obviously.
He tried that bullshit with Antwon Echols, Robert Allen, Calzaghe, Roy rematch and now this... Ref isn't stupid.
Conman got conned..
Ah. The same Allen who laced him and had him in a headlock before Mills came in and poked Allen in the eye and both all but ushered Hopkins thru the ropes? Same bithcass Hopkins who when back in ring was telling Ratner 'Its my call Doc, I can fight'. I ain't no Dr but hitting the floor off an officials hand is what it is, and properly called a NC.
Allen got his rematch too...and got owned while putting on one of the hardest acting jobs I've ever seen it the ring trying to win via DQ to where ref was almost literally laughing at him "come on man" at one point and his corner had to remind him 'you can't win on the ground' :-X
Same bitchass Hopkins who was lifted and tossed on mat by grimy Echols, who lost points, but got up and dominated same entire 6th round with left hand, eventually smacking him around like a drunk on Bourbon street for the win? He didn't have to 'try' a thing.
The same Hopkins who was rolling around on the floor from imaginary low blows against Calzaghe and was seemingly hit on the head with a hammer by Roy Jones the second time out. The man is notorious for his time buying and so much more now that he is well past his sell by date.
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Re: Did Hopkins past antics and play acting catch up with him last night?
Another awful decision in boxing....no wonder the sport struggles to increase its fan base.
Dawson clearly pushed him off, both legs off the ground and landed on his elbow regardless of if he was making it look worse, thats what happened and he could have easily been injured from a result of that.
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Another awful decision in boxing....no wonder the sport struggles to increase its fan base.
Dawson clearly pushed him off, both legs off the ground and landed on his elbow regardless of if he was making it look worse, thats what happened and he could have easily been injured from a result of that.
Why was Hopkins on top of Dawson though? He put himself in that position. Dawson nudged because Hopkins was leaning all his weight on him to push him to the ground.
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Another awful decision in boxing....no wonder the sport struggles to increase its fan base.
Dawson clearly pushed him off, both legs off the ground and landed on his elbow regardless of if he was making it look worse, thats what happened and he could have easily been injured from a result of that.
Why was Hopkins on top of Dawson though? He put himself in that position. Dawson nudged because Hopkins was leaning all his weight on him to push him to the ground.
How can I answer that? Hopkins was probably leaning on him like you said and pushing him down (basically being a bit dirty) like most do in that situation...Dawson didnt just nudge him though he wasnt liking it and fair enough so the nudge ended up being more of a throw. A nudge wouldnt have lifted both legs off the floor.
Dont get me wrong Hopkins is just as much too blame but you cant end the fight as a TKO thats just a joke.
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In the past Hopkins has faked injury to give him an advantage,the Calzaghe fight is a prime example.
Do you think this afected the reffs desisions last night.
wel, using your example, JC faked hitting people to gain advantages in his fights and never got reprimanded for it.
I think the referee should be sacked, tbh. They employee some idiots as refs.
That's iditiotic. By that logic, Paulie Malignaggi should get points deducted for punching.
hi - my actual point is explained above. that post was simply my BHop style setup so as to land my knockout.
