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looks good!
What happened to the rest of him?
Did he get AIDS?
As long as hes cut weight in a fairly sensible fashion and not done anything stupid like crash dieting, this weight loss can only benefit him.
McGirt is fatter than Toney now ! ;D
Good to see those two workin together.
WOW!! i did not expect that at all, he looks to be in great shape.
Old mongoose toney is gonna beat lebedev's sorry ass.
Wow! I'm interested to see him fight now
Like him or loath him James Toney's move from MW to HW and being competitive is amazing.
He is a GREAT fighter for sure.
What a story it wotld be if he went back to middleweight and won a titleQuote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
Toney looks to be in grand fettle. You can tell that he knows is the end of career last hurrah and it's so good to see him looking as though he is taking it seriously for the first time in too long a time.
Apparently Toney is the big underdog in this one and appearances can always be deceptive, but if Toney is anything as good as we have known him to be I can very well see him stopping Lebedev.
I actually had a dream last night where Toney was clobbering someone in the early rounds, so hopefully this is a sign that I have become psychic.
I am very excited about this fight and there appears to be a decent card too. It's looking like an opportunity for me to watch boxing AND drink! That doesn't happen very often. I hope Toney will be able to match my evening posting form.
When has anyone lost that much weight and not been a complete shell on fight night?
A serious look at Toney to get sparked is in order....
Normally I would agree with you but this is pure fat loss here. Its not like a scenario like Roy when he moved back down from heavy to light heavy or something. Losing a shitload of fat off your frame can only be a good thing. Its not like hes gona be ripped at 200lbs, just a more healthy weight instead of a tub of goo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
IF and thats IF Toney has lost that weight in a very short time frame however, that will affect him negatively. He will be weak as shit. But from what I hear thats not been the case but no way of knowing for sure I suppose.
Are there any comparisons that can be made as to when other fighters have done this? I cant recall any shedding a shitload of fat to gauge it.
Who Knows? Im not getting all nostalgic hoping for something that might result in Fensters way of thinking.. The Toney that beat Holyfield was tremendous. This guy could pull a chris Byrd and get mopped. Good on Toney for deciding to treat his body right other than that i will be CAUTIOUSLY optimistic.
If he looks good, somehow a Toney vs Hopkins is an absolute must. Even if the fight was predicted to stink to the high heavens. It will sell great and Im watching!
Anyone notice what his T-shirt said? Poke at Haye maybe.
I would like to see some sparring of him with the weight loss too
I don't think the weight loss has been that drastic; I remember seeing threads here weeks ago about him being down to 210, 213 something like that. Archie Moore used to cut weight drastically, in days, and win fights on his wits at 46, 47.
It was interesting to see his punch selection through most of that video. From what I recall Ledbedev leans in a lot and didn't Jones sting him with a right, then pause to raise his arms before jumping on him? If Toney has anything left this should be an easy fight for him, as Ledbedev, while appearing strong and willing enough, is a target.
Happy that he gets back in shape. However, to me, it's a matter of too little too late. Toney's in his mid 40 and didn'T have a Hopkins spartan life. TO me it's too late and though it's pleasant to see, he's no more relevant to boxing.
Toney looks in great shape.
For me though, this has what happened to Chris Byrd moving down to light heavyweight written all over it.
Byrd dropped from heavyweight to light heavyweight. He looked in great shape until he got in the ring. He ended up getting stopped late in the fight.
http://www.fightreport.net/wp-conten...chris-byrd.gif
Some fans don't seem to realise that Toney is shot. the guy is 43 and has looked terrible in recent bouts. Some fans blame it on him being seriously overweight but i think the weight issue is an old arguement.
His weight used to be the problem but now it's just a case of his age catching up to him.
I think Lebedev is gonna outwork him clearly. Toney's defense will get him through the fight but he will look terrible.
Good point, never thought of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_CNormally I would agree with you but this is pure fat loss here. Its not like a scenario like Roy when he moved back down from heavy to light heavy or something. Losing a shitload of fat off your frame can only be a good thing. Its not like hes gona be ripped at 200lbs, just a more healthy weight instead of a tub of goo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
IF and thats IF Toney has lost that weight in a very short time frame however, that will affect him negatively. He will be weak as shit. But from what I hear thats not been the case but no way of knowing for sure I suppose.
Are there any comparisons that can be made as to when other fighters have done this? I cant recall any shedding a shitload of fat to gauge it.
Looking at the odds I can't believe Toney is a 6/1 shot. I'd rather chance your theory at 6/1 than bet 10/11 Lebedev KO's him.
Wasn't Chris doing daft crap like running as if he were training for marathons..? Can't see Toney doing that, surely!
Its definitely worth a go, 6/1 is a really good risk/reward in this case I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterGood point, never thought of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_CNormally I would agree with you but this is pure fat loss here. Its not like a scenario like Roy when he moved back down from heavy to light heavy or something. Losing a shitload of fat off your frame can only be a good thing. Its not like hes gona be ripped at 200lbs, just a more healthy weight instead of a tub of goo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
IF and thats IF Toney has lost that weight in a very short time frame however, that will affect him negatively. He will be weak as shit. But from what I hear thats not been the case but no way of knowing for sure I suppose.
Are there any comparisons that can be made as to when other fighters have done this? I cant recall any shedding a shitload of fat to gauge it.
Looking at the odds I can't believe Toney is a 6/1 shot. I'd rather chance your theory at 6/1 than bet 10/11 Lebedev KO's him.
That really is a cracking price on Toney. The bookies are really counting Toney out, but considering that Toney has been half arsed at HW in recent years, I am sure they are not factoring in a motivated and in shape James Toney.
He's going to suprise a few IMO.
How is Toney going to handle losing this weight? Will he lose his stamina? His ability is better than lebedevs but Toneys workrate is poor. I don't know if ability on it's own will keep off Lebedev. I can see him being more busy than Toney. I think it will be a close fight but I'm really not sure what Toney will be like. It would be good to watch if losing all the weight makes him a better fighter. We will see !
I don't see a replay of Byrd really but like Byrd...you can drop the lbs but you can't drop the years. That and physically he can be right but that doesn't mean he's trimmed the sloth in his head that let him get in that condition in the first place and waddle around the ring running on fumes.
Alot of this will come down to Lebedevs mentality and looking past that infamous Toney mystique. He needs to set the tone from jump off and treat Toney like the faded fat man we've all seen over last number of years.
I don't think it will look like Chris Byrd either. Byrd lost a load of weight, but a lot of that was muscle. With Toney all you have is a fat man losing fat. Rather than hinder him, it will simply mean he is closer to his proper fighting weight and won't be so out of shape. His movement will be much better for a start and his punches will pack more weight as Toney really was small compared to the HW's. It's remarkable how easily he was able to handle HW and testament to his talents. Age is my only worry with this one, but I don't think Lebedev is all that and Toney likes men who come at him. In recent fights Toney has had much bigger men dancing all around him, in this fight he has an equally sized man coming at him. Toney should really make him look a little bit silly.
It's an interesting fight. I wouldn't be shocked by Lebedev brutally ending Toney's career or Toney giving Lebedev a boxing lesson. I'm leaning toward Lebedev knocking Toney out but not by much.
First thing I thought when I saw this vid..and I hope it doesn't go that way. Toney is just a different breed. He was born for this so hopefully the weight loss doesn't hamper him..heck, it can't hamper him anymore than the fat did!Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
It can either go the way Fenster thought or he's gonna look awesome!! Definitely up for a Hopkins/Toney encounter. Would be mouth-watering but those who aren't big fans of skills and wit being displayed should look away now.
Why do people keep bringing up Chris Byrd into into this? He had to lose muscle unlike Toney who lost fat gradually.. Losing fat and muscles are different, plain and simple.
And Toney aint got an ordinary chin like byrd either.. Lebedev gonna knock out Toney huh.. lol smh
Whether it's in the real world or inside the boxing ring, this shit is about CREDIT... You look at Toney's history and tell me Lebedev is gonna knock him out.. smh
On top of that, Chris Byrd couldnt punch a hole through a wet paper towel so his opponents never had to worry much about incoming punches. They were able to put alot more into their offense because of of their opponent's inability to punch.
That's how George knocked him out.. He never had to worry about Byrd's power so he attacked with that much more authority..
Lebedev doesnt even have that kind of luxury. Everytime he misses, he's going to pay and that'll make him think twice before throwing..
I dunno when people say "Look, muscle isn't the same as losing fat" - Although this is true, look at the toll it took on Fatton?
Sure, he did it more often than Toney where as he was content just being a fat heavyweight all the time but still..we don't know how quickly he lost the weight or what methods he has been using. If he's drained himself, he's fucked.
If he is able to outmaneuver Lebedev its going to be a long shameful night for the Russian.
I ownder if it was the humbling in the octagon that convinced James to take sport seriously again. He always had fast hands but if he has quick feet aswel he will be a hard guy to beat. We know he has a huge edge in class already so the only question is as someone else already mentioned has he lost the wieght sensibly or are we going to see and old weight drained man on Saturday.
here's a link to some toney pics from moscow.
Photos: James Toney, Slimmed Down, Mingles in Moscow - Boxing News
The Hatton comparison doesnt work. Hatton was ripped at the weight, Toney sure as fuck wont be. Sure he wont be a fat slob now but ripped he certainly aint. This is a guy who used to fight at 160 remember.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
It can be a reality as long as Buddy keeps beating James to the dinner table as it appears.
I could understand all this apprehensive talk IF Toney were fighting someone like Steve Cunningham, David Haye, Thomas Adamek, or Tarver at cruiser.
But, he's NOT.
He's fighting Dennis Lebedev, who is about on par with Danny Green, maybe not even that good.
Toney should be fine I think. He better let his hands go tho or he could get outworked, def not in any danger of being hurt or stopped.
Don't forget that Lebedev went tooth and nails with Marco Huck (the number one ranked cruiserweight) losing a split decision that I frankly thought could have gone either way. Lebedev is better than Danny Green. Come on. He's much better than Danny Green. Out of the current cruiserweights, he should be ranked behind Cunningham (although I've seen a decline in Cunningham recently) and Huck clearly, and maybe behind Tarver, maybe not, and above Wlod and Green. Now all that said, I pretty much consider Lebedev an one-handed fighter - just a southpaw with a huge left hand. Toney may be able to neutralize that and win, but a fight is 12 rounds and Lebedev has gone 12 rounds twice recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
I just hope he puts on a good performance, I'd like to see him make some noise to end out his career, a bit of redemption for the steroids & weight issues
Until the last couple years I'd never heard of Marco Huck, and I've never seen him fight on American TV or period. He may very well be the #1 cruiser, but thats with Adamek and Haye outta the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratDon't forget that Lebedev went tooth and nails with Marco Huck (the number one ranked cruiserweight) losing a split decision that I frankly thought could have gone either way. Lebedev is better than Danny Green. Come on. He's much better than Danny Green. Out of the current cruiserweights, he should be ranked behind Cunningham (although I've seen a decline in Cunningham recently) and Huck clearly, and maybe behind Tarver, maybe not, and above Wlod and Green. Now all that said, I pretty much consider Lebedev an one-handed fighter - just a southpaw with a huge left hand. Toney may be able to neutralize that and win, but a fight is 12 rounds and Lebedev has gone 12 rounds twice recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
His name makes me think of Mighty Mo and Mark Hunt from MMA. ;D
Lebedev is decent & I don't think Toney will have a completely easy time of it. But if Toney has a smidge of anything left he should be able to handle himQuote:
Originally Posted by HulkUntil the last couple years I'd never heard of Marco Huck, and I've never seen him fight on American TV or period. He may very well be the #1 cruiser, but thats with Adamek and Haye outta the division.Quote:
Originally Posted by RantcatratDon't forget that Lebedev went tooth and nails with Marco Huck (the number one ranked cruiserweight) losing a split decision that I frankly thought could have gone either way. Lebedev is better than Danny Green. Come on. He's much better than Danny Green. Out of the current cruiserweights, he should be ranked behind Cunningham (although I've seen a decline in Cunningham recently) and Huck clearly, and maybe behind Tarver, maybe not, and above Wlod and Green. Now all that said, I pretty much consider Lebedev an one-handed fighter - just a southpaw with a huge left hand. Toney may be able to neutralize that and win, but a fight is 12 rounds and Lebedev has gone 12 rounds twice recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hulk
His name makes me think of Mighty Mo and Mark Hunt from MMA. ;D