Honesty Thread - Tell us one bad trait of your favourite fighter

I got the idea for this thread from hearing either "youre a fanboy" or "youre a hater" when certain arguments are made. Sometimes its justified sometimes not.

soooo..be honest. Show your objectivity and tell us one negative of your fave fighter.. ;)

i'llstart..Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Icalled it a "bitch move" when he turned up 2lbs overweight when he came in against JMM. I still stand by that. Very unprofessional. I also hate his behaviour sometimes. Burning money in clubs? wtf? and talking to 50 cent through a wad of money?? its too forced and fake.

Eubank was my fave growing up. He had a few questionable decisions and didnt fight the opposition that Benn did..but he's still the fuckin man!!!! :D

ok your turn..

OK, I'll go through my favorites....

Wladimir Klitschko - at times he's too deliberate, too calculating when he needs to just let the punches fly.

Miguel Cotto - He's too good of a boxer to allow himself to be in so many brawls.

Andy Lee - He's stiff and he gets hit too easy

Peter Quillin - He's too tight, he needs to loosen the delivery of his punches and his handspeed will improve.

Nigel Benn = cheated on his Mrs constantly

Mr Eubank = cheated us fans on not fighting stella opposition

Scott Harrison = waste of tallent

Duran = for going on the piss and not training properly for the 2nd Sugar Ray fight

Khon = for being a total numty out of the ring

Hatton = for not keeping the weight off and pissing it up between fights

Juan manuel marquez- He's too brave for his own good.. He just oozes of Aztec warrior.

Tyson - insecure, thieving criminal, rapist, child molester, coward, cannibal, wasted talent/greatness by chasing too much pussy.

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Juan manuel marquez- He's too brave for his own good.. He just oozes of Aztec warrior.

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Haha I don't know if I'm gonna allow that one! It's like going to a job interview and when they ask you "So, if there was one thing you'd say you weren't so good at, what would it be?" and you reply with "Well..sometimes I find myself working TOO hard!"

That's a positive-negative ;D

but yeah I see what you're saying. Marquez is one of my faves and I have a hard time thinking of anything negative about him..Oh yeah, he once drank his own urine. That's good enough.

And Master..Tyson is an easy one!!

Dean Duke..I don't know if you can call Amir Khan one of your faves if you call him "Amir Khon"?? :cool:

Come on Pacquiao and Joe Calzaghe fans...come out to play ;)

Here's another former favourite of mine : Fernando Vargas

I kinda liked his cocky attitude and how he used to piss off everyone's faves (Tito + De La Hoya), just hated that he would gas and run out of idea's later on in a fight. If he could go down the stretch, I estimate we'd be talking about him as an ATG

Althugz I love Tyson.

Julio Ceaser Chevaz was a very bad and ungracious loser who never gave credit when he was beat.

Manny Pac... not taking the drug test and not giving Marquez his due.

Ali... massive racist in the 70's and fighting on for far too long

Naz.... never using the rematch clause with Barrera and promising comebacks when he knew he was done.

Mayorga.... taking fully blown shots from guys how could KO him

DLH.... turned into a promoter and his word being as good as kings now :-\

Hatton..... fame turning him into a prima donna

Howard Eastman... frustrated the shit out of me how he couldn't go up a gear

Pele Reid.... not having a chin.

Calzaghe.... waiting too long to have the superfights massive waste IMHO

Zab Judah... Just never winning any meaningful fight :-\

Witter... arrogant to the point of stupidity

Bruno... thick as pigshit

Tyson... mentally unhinged

Mia St John... only doing one playboy shot ;D;D;D

Wayne McCullough.... just wish the guy had a punch :(

Cotto & Morales: Choose to trade way to often against opponents they could easily outbox

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Althugz I love Tyson.

Julio Ceaser Chevaz was a very bad and ungracious loser who never gave credit when he was beat.

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Yeah definitely..that really put me off Chavez.

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Manny Pac... not taking the drug test and not giving Marquez his due.

Ali... massive racist in the 70's and fighting on for far too long

Naz.... never using the rematch clause with Barrera and promising comebacks when he knew he was done.

Mayorga.... taking fully blown shots from guys how could KO him

DLH.... turned into a promoter and his word being as good as kings now :-\

Hatton..... fame turning him into a prima donna

Howard Eastman... frustrated the shit out of me how he couldn't go up a gear

Pele Reid.... not having a chin.

Calzaghe.... waiting too long to have the superfights massive waste IMHO

Zab Judah... Just never winning any meaningful fight :-\

Witter... arrogant to the point of stupidity

Bruno... thick as pigshit

Tyson... mentally unhinged

Mia St John... only doing one playboy shot ;D;D;D

Wayne McCullough.... just wish the guy had a punch :(

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Nice list!
Dunno about Ali being a racist..he came up in really racist times and was telling some home truths that people just werent ready for. Did he say anything out of line I may have missed?
Totally forgot about Ali. A definite fave. A true war hero imo for standing up for his beliefs and refusing to shoot down innocent people, even at the expense of his freedom. I hope the U.S issues him an apology for that. Only negative for me was he went on too long. That fight against Holmes was so damn sad. He was a punching bag

This.

Plus Haye for not having enough faith in himself to give it a go.

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Manny Pac... not taking the drug test and not giving Marquez his due.

Ali... massive racist in the 70's and fighting on for far too long

Naz.... never using the rematch clause with Barrera and promising comebacks when he knew he was done.

Mayorga.... taking fully blown shots from guys how could KO him

DLH.... turned into a promoter and his word being as good as kings now :-\

Hatton..... fame turning him into a prima donna

Howard Eastman... frustrated the shit out of me how he couldn't go up a gear

Pele Reid.... not having a chin.

Calzaghe.... waiting too long to have the superfights massive waste IMHO

Zab Judah... Just never winning any meaningful fight :-\

Witter... arrogant to the point of stupidity

Bruno... thick as pigshit

Tyson... mentally unhinged

Mia St John... only doing one playboy shot ;D;D;D

Wayne McCullough.... just wish the guy had a punch :(

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Nice list!
Dunno about Ali being a racist..he came up in really racist times and was telling some home truths that people just werent ready for. Did he say anything out of line I may have missed?

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The wife got me an old copy of a book he wrote called "the greatest" just after beating foreman and the middle section reeked of anti white stuff to the point I skipped through it as it was that bad and i always remember seeing video footage of him stating he would never date a white women. might sound fine but lets just imagine one of the Klits publicly said they would never date a black woman it would kinda bring it into focus. ;)

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Nice list!
Dunno about Ali being a racist..he came up in really racist times and was telling some home truths that people just werent ready for. Did he say anything out of line I may have missed?

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The wife got me an old copy of a book he wrote called "the greatest" just after beating foreman and the middle section reeked of anti white stuff to the point I skipped through it as it was that bad and i always remember seeing video footage of him stating he would never date a white women. might sound fine but lets just imagine one of the Klits publicly said they would never date a black woman it would kinda bring it into focus. ;)

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Yeah but he's also from a different time and enivornment, he dealt with true racism so I can't begrudge him to much for some unsavory views he may have held. Its the same way we revere many of the founding fathers, yet a shit ton were slave owners, different times and products of different environments.

He spent months calling Frasier a monkey.

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He spent months calling Frasier a monkey.

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And he called Joe Louis an Uncle Tom

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now that one and calling joe louis uncle tom are far less understandable to me than some grudge he may have had against white people.

Joel Casamayor. Would constantly put himself at a disadvantage with point deductions. I know he was a dirty fighter and was just being himself but come on. He was clearly robbed against Freitas but the point deduction was just stupid on his part.

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He spent months calling Frasier a monkey.

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And he called Joe Louis an Uncle Tom

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Floyd Mayweather to this day calls Emmanuel Stewart an Uncle Tom.

One bad trait of Miguel Cotto.... he always wants to be the boss in his own corner. It's why he replaced his uncle Evangelista with Joe (WTF?) Santiago, and now inexplicably drops Emanuel Stewart weeks before his rematch with Margacheato. Unlike Pacquiao, who understands that Roach is the boss in his corner. Pac does what Roach says. Period.

Carl Froch - Gets hit to much - i know he is not going to change his low hands style this late in his career but Carl man, you don't get points for being punched in the head. He also seems to take a while to warm up and could be faster coming out of the blocks.

Nathan Cleverley -Gets hit too much. Unlike Froch it is not to late for Cleverley to expand on his defensive repertoire and utilise his speed and footwork to punch whilst going backwards when the occasion calls for it.

Ricky Hatton- Got hit too much. I think even he realises this now but it is also what made him so watchable. His angles were good but his head movement was sometimes non-existent.

Scott Quigg - Needs to sit down on his punches, become more vicious and ruthless when the openings arise. Under Joe Gallagher his aggression has gone up a notch but i still think he can finish people off earlier. Coming from an MMA background he is brave and defensively sound but has a tendency to be too light on his feet going in and leans a bit too much when throwing punches sacrificing power for angles and volume.

Kell Brook - Needs to up his work and rate throw more punches. He is great at slipping punches but could counter with more combinations rather than single punches and take the initiative in fights. He is improving and learning to improvise but needs to mix it up a bit mid fight and change style himself rather than switching in response to his opponent.

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He spent months calling Frasier a monkey.

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now that one and calling joe louis uncle tom are far less understandable to me than some grudge he may have had against white people.

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Exactly..people have to realise the era he was growing up in.

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Frazier's kids also got their ass kicked in school, for having an so called "Uncle Tom" as a father and a "white Man's champion."

Yeah that Ali, what a "great" friend. Ali fans can never spin that story. :rolleyes:

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Frazier's kids also got their ass kicked in school, for having an so called "Uncle Tom" as a father and a "white Man's champion."

Yeah that Ali, what a "great" friend. Ali fans can never spin that story. :rolleyes:

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He also called Floyd Patterson an Uncle Tom too.

To me Ali was a villain, as great of a fighter as he was he was an even greater asshole.

Lennox Lewis: His hesitation to go for the kill against fighters in a vulnerable position. Sometimes he did press hard, and sometimes he didn't.

Jermain Taylor: His reluctance to improve as an all-around boxer. After he beat Hopkins twice, he figured he knew all he needed to know and that should get him by.

Roy Jones for letting Target talk him into dropping 25 pounds of muscle. He should have stayed a heavyweight or gone to cruiserweight.

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Frazier's kids also got their ass kicked in school, for having an so called "Uncle Tom" as a father and a "white Man's champion."

Yeah that Ali, what a "great" friend. Ali fans can never spin that story. :rolleyes:

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He also called Floyd Patterson an Uncle Tom too.

To me Ali was a villain, as great of a fighter as he was he was an even greater asshole.

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That to me is mind games before a fight..getting under peoples skin. So yeah in that case he was a villain..but I have a hard time calling someone an asshole who stood up for what was right at the risk of his freedom. For me he's an icon who showed everybody that they didn't have to be a sheep to the government and media. Again, Ali is a true war hero to me for refusing to go to war. An asshole is not somebody who has a problem killing innocents in my book.

Although Herol Graham was called the bomber, he really did not punch hard enough at the elite level at middleweight.

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Frazier's kids also got their ass kicked in school, for having an so called "Uncle Tom" as a father and a "white Man's champion."

Yeah that Ali, what a "great" friend. Ali fans can never spin that story. :rolleyes:

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He also called Floyd Patterson an Uncle Tom too.

To me Ali was a villain, as great of a fighter as he was he was an even greater asshole.

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That to me is mind games before a fight..getting under peoples skin. So yeah in that case he was a villain..but I have a hard time calling someone an asshole who stood up for what was right at the risk of his freedom. For me he's an icon who showed everybody that they didn't have to be a sheep to the government and media. Again, Ali is a true war hero to me for refusing to go to war. An asshole is not somebody who has a problem killing innocents in my book.

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I agree with you on Ali but you did ask about 1 bad trait and certainly Ali himself apologised for being racist to white people and surely his intention was not to humiliate Frazier to the extent that his son came home crying after being bullied at school.

Tommy Hearns - got into brawls to often, also had dodgy chin.

Floyd Mayweather - he can be a huge douchebag

Zab Judah - all the natural gifts to become a legend, but absolutely no heart or dedication

Manny Pacquiao - for some reason I don't really like his footwork. I also hate how he always loses his balance when he starts throwing big flurries

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Tommy Hearns - got into brawls to often, also had dodgy chin.

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The same could be said about Terry Norris.

Floyd Mayweather - GENIUS inside of the ring, ignorant mush-mouthed stuttering fool outside of it.

Lucian Bute - Got INCREDIBLY lucky against Andrade the first time.

vitali klitscho drops his hands
Lennox lewis could have better defense with the hands
Wladimir klitschko could look more in shape and have a better chin
Marquez and ali could hit harder
Foreman gets tired and isn't technical
Hagler footwork
mayweather arms could look less soft
Pacquiao personality and friends (arum, etc.

Hagler-Sometimes has a shit game plan when starting fights. See the Duran and Leonard fights as prime examples.

Even though it creates excitement for the fans, and I love when he does it,

its when Erik Morales goes into all out war mode. He is an excellent boxer with sound skills, but I guess going into his mode makes him that much greater.

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Even though it creates excitement for the fans, and I love when he does it,

its when Erik Morales goes into all out war mode. He is an excellent boxer with sound skills, but I guess going into his mode makes him that much greater.

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The same could be said for Tyson Fury. :)

One of my all-time favorites was Baby Joe Mesi. Much of this was due to growing up in his area, but I also just like the excitement of his fights. No matter what you say, he was NEVER in a boring bout. But I'll admit, he had major flaws.
1. Suspect Chin (maybe more than suspect after Jirov fight)
2. Horrible defensive fighter
3. Never went to the body well

Bute - somewhat weak chin
Martinez - once his reflexes slow, he'll have problems + really too small for a middleweight and may be able to be out-punched by a Pirogesque fighter with some pop,
Donaire - hasn't really had to challenge himself yet
Linares - amazing talent, needs refining along the edges
Bradley - punches are too wide
Sillakh - possible weak chin
Proksa - not sure how well he can fight on his back foot. someone like Rubio could give him problems.
Kirkland - there are a lot. can be outboxed. needs defense badly.