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One of the BIGGEST wasted talents in boxing history :mad:
Kermit Cintron. Can't understand this guy. Came into the fight throwing half-hearted punches at Alvarez. Then.... when the fight was already decided and Kermit had been hurt a few times.... he seems to get pissed off and throws some awesome BOMBS at Alvarez. Had he done that from the very beginning, it could've been a lot different fight altogether. I think it was Roy Jones Jr. that nailed it right on the head when he said that Kermit wasn't going to stand much of a chance until he started "throwing punches like he means it".
First time I saw Kermit fight, it was against Walter Mattheyse (sp?) of Argentina. The guy was undefeated with like 26 KO's in 28 fights. The first round was actually good. Then Kermit destroys the guy with one of the scariest KO combinations I've EVER seen. A left uppercut that shut the circuit breaker off on Walter, and before the poor guy could actually start falling down..... a right hand cannon shot that knocked the poor guy even more senseless. From that point on, I always thought the sky was the limit for Cintron.
But posters in here are absolutely correct. Kermit's biggest problem has always been between the ears. Who knows.... the ex-wrestler-turned-boxer-at-19-years-of-age just doesn't seem to have the fighter's mindset needed for boxing. Which is too bad, because in terms of the total package (size, athleticism, power, etc), he could've been something great. But it just wasn't meant to be.
Retire, Kermit.
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Yeah kermit as a fan I say maybe get an office job or be a delivery driver.
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Re: One of the BIGGEST wasted talents in boxing history :mad:
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TitoFan
Kermit Cintron. Can't understand this guy. Came into the fight throwing half-hearted punches at Alvarez. Then.... when the fight was already decided and Kermit had been hurt a few times.... he seems to get pissed off and throws some awesome BOMBS at Alvarez. Had he done that from the very beginning, it could've been a lot different fight altogether. I think it was Roy Jones Jr. that nailed it right on the head when he said that Kermit wasn't going to stand much of a chance until he started "throwing punches like he means it".
First time I saw Kermit fight, it was against Walter Mattheyse (sp?) of Argentina. The guy was undefeated with like 26 KO's in 28 fights. The first round was actually good. Then Kermit destroys the guy with one of the scariest KO combinations I've EVER seen. A left uppercut that shut the circuit breaker off on Walter, and before the poor guy could actually start falling down..... a right hand cannon shot that knocked the poor guy even more senseless. From that point on, I always thought the sky was the limit for Cintron.
But posters in here are absolutely correct. Kermit's biggest problem has always been between the ears. Who knows.... the ex-wrestler-turned-boxer-at-19-years-of-age just doesn't seem to have the fighter's mindset needed for boxing. Which is too bad, because in terms of the total package (size, athleticism, power, etc), he could've been something great. But it just wasn't meant to be.
Retire, Kermit.
he has that Mike Tyson/Zab Judah mentality, if things get too complicate or tough he shuts down, that's why when there were talks of there being a showdown between him against either Cotto or Quintana I honestly favored both guys over Kermit, he's too emotional of a fighter and not in a good sense, a good example of an emotional trainer taking that emotion or desperation and channeling it into a positive is Arturo Gatti and Evander Holyfield, when things got tough or they felt they were about to crumble they only came back stronger, Cintron doesn't have that, when things get too tough he doubts himself then quits altogether, we call him Kermit "El Lloron" Cintron due to the way he usually breaks down and whines or cries during and after a fight
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Re: One of the BIGGEST wasted talents in boxing history :mad:
I don't know about one of the biggest wasted talents, I'll leave that to the Fernando Vargas's of the world who were wonder children and we expected greatness while they went on to mediocre careers.. See we never expected greatness from a person who started boxing at 19 but he was a very talented fighter, but always underachieve what was expected of him. He came relative late to the sport of boxing so maybe that had something to do with it, although martinez did as well and he fared good. I always liked Kermit but maybe he just didnt have the mentality or heart of a champion, he always folded when it counted the most.
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Re: One of the BIGGEST wasted talents in boxing history :mad:
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I don't know about one of the biggest wasted talents, I'll leave that to the Fernando Vargas's of the world who were wonder children and we expected greatness while they went on to mediocre careers.. See we never expected greatness from a person who started boxing at 19 but he was a very talented fighter, but always underachieve what was expected of him. He came relative late to the sport of boxing so maybe that had something to do with it, although martinez did as well and he fared good. I always liked Kermit but maybe he just didnt have the mentality or heart of a champion, he always folded when it counted the most.
He started late, but he's got truckloads of talent. I don't think anyone disputes that. Had he applied himself.... AND had the mentality of a fighter.... there's no telling how much further he could've gone.
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For a guy who made a transition from wrestling to Boxing at the age of 19, he's an overachiever.
Kermit is a made boxer, not a natural one.. He's one of those all around athletes who adapted quick to another sport.
Dude had the tools but he simply didnt have the nerves and the ability to fight instinctively due to his late start in the game.
But i was impressed last night. He looked tired but dude was acting like a real fighter, willing to go out on his shield. Mad respect to Kermit..
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Cintron's problems aren't lack of talent. There not mental problems either. Cintron's problem is a very simple one. He has no heart. At least not to be a fighter. He has no idea how to deal with adversity. And he doesn't want to know. Easier to just call it a day
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Re: One of the BIGGEST wasted talents in boxing history :mad:
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Cintron's problems aren't lack of talent. There not mental problems either. Cintron's problem is a very simple one. He has no heart. At least not to be a fighter. He has no idea how to deal with adversity. And he doesn't want to know. Easier to just call it a day
For once I guess I agree with you. It's all the same, however. A fighter's heart is actually a part of his brain, urging him to go on.... refusing to give up the fight. And yeah.... Kermit has no "heart". He needs to hang up the gloves for good, before he gets seriously hurt.
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Violent Demise
Cintron's problems aren't lack of talent. There not mental problems either. Cintron's problem is a very simple one. He has no heart. At least not to be a fighter. He has no idea how to deal with adversity. And he doesn't want to know. Easier to just call it a day
For once I guess I agree with you. It's all the same, however. A fighter's heart is actually a part of his brain, urging him to go on.... refusing to give up the fight. And yeah.... Kermit has no "heart". He needs to hang up the gloves for good, before he gets seriously hurt.
It's not the same thing. Zab Judah is a fighter with heart. He showed it in the Cotto fight where he took his beating like a man. But he suffers mental lapses in fights. Cintron doesn't suffer those type of lapses. He just ain't got no heart
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Re: One of the BIGGEST wasted talents in boxing history :mad:
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Violent Demise
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TitoFan
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Violent Demise
Cintron's problems aren't lack of talent. There not mental problems either. Cintron's problem is a very simple one. He has no heart. At least not to be a fighter. He has no idea how to deal with adversity. And he doesn't want to know. Easier to just call it a day
For once I guess I agree with you. It's all the same, however. A fighter's heart is actually a part of his brain, urging him to go on.... refusing to give up the fight. And yeah.... Kermit has no "heart". He needs to hang up the gloves for good, before he gets seriously hurt.
It's not the same thing. Zab Judah is a fighter with heart. He showed it in the Cotto fight where he took his beating like a man. But he suffers mental lapses in fights. Cintron doesn't suffer those type of lapses. He just ain't got no heart
VD..... having "heart" is a mental state. It's all a matter of semantics. Let's call it something else, just for the sake of the argument. Zab has the will to win at all costs, but loses focus once in awhile. Kermit does not have the will to win at all costs... and also loses focus quite frequently. Whatever. It all comes from the mind. No big deal.
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I'm not sure if Cintron wasted his talent, he wasn't really all that talented to begin with, he just did the best he could with what he had. Think about it, what was Cintron's biggest win in his career? Angulo? I'm not dissn' Kermit, just sayin' he had his limitations, especially when he stepped up in class.
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Re: One of the BIGGEST wasted talents in boxing history :mad:
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I don't know about one of the biggest wasted talents, I'll leave that to the Fernando Vargas's of the world who were wonder children and we expected greatness while they went on to mediocre careers.. See we never expected greatness from a person who started boxing at 19 but he was a very talented fighter, but always underachieve what was expected of him. He came relative late to the sport of boxing so maybe that had something to do with it, although martinez did as well and he fared good. I always liked Kermit but maybe he just didnt have the mentality or heart of a champion, he always folded when it counted the most.
Fernando Vargas wasn't a wasted talent at all. He gave it all he had against Tito Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya. He probably fought them too early in his career, but hell he peaked earlier than most fighters. He was World Champ at age 20 or something. I think the motorcycle injury that damaged his back screwed him up more than anything.
And Vargas would have kicked albino Alavarez's ass.
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I don't know about one of the biggest wasted talents, I'll leave that to the Fernando Vargas's of the world who were wonder children and we expected greatness while they went on to mediocre careers.. See we never expected greatness from a person who started boxing at 19 but he was a very talented fighter, but always underachieve what was expected of him. He came relative late to the sport of boxing so maybe that had something to do with it, although martinez did as well and he fared good. I always liked Kermit but maybe he just didnt have the mentality or heart of a champion, he always folded when it counted the most.
Fernando Vargas wasn't a wasted talent at all. He gave it all he had against Tito Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya. He probably fought them too early in his career, but hell he peaked earlier than most fighters. He was World Champ at age 20 or something. I think the motorcycle injury that damaged his back screwed him up more than anything.
And Vargas would have kicked albino Alavarez's ass.
the motorcycle accident messed him up...but fighting a big puncher with loaded gloves damaged him first.
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I don't know about one of the biggest wasted talents, I'll leave that to the Fernando Vargas's of the world who were wonder children and we expected greatness while they went on to mediocre careers.. See we never expected greatness from a person who started boxing at 19 but he was a very talented fighter, but always underachieve what was expected of him. He came relative late to the sport of boxing so maybe that had something to do with it, although martinez did as well and he fared good. I always liked Kermit but maybe he just didnt have the mentality or heart of a champion, he always folded when it counted the most.
Fernando Vargas wasn't a wasted talent at all. He gave it all he had against Tito Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya. He probably fought them too early in his career, but hell he peaked earlier than most fighters. He was World Champ at age 20 or something. I think the motorcycle injury that damaged his back screwed him up more than anything.
And Vargas would have kicked albino Alavarez's ass.
the motorcycle accident messed him up...but fighting a big puncher with loaded gloves damaged him first.
he never fought Margarito, that's who you must be referring to because Trinidad never had loaded gloves....people trying to compare the two when it's like night and day, Margarito had plaster on his wraps, Trinidad Sr's wrapping method was that he would distribute the tape more towards his wrist rather than his fist, it was only deemed illegal in NY not Vegas, where did Vargas fight Trinidad? oh right Vegas...
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i wouldn't say he has no heart. He was throwing back even when he was hurt vs Alvarez. The guy simply doesn't know how to adapt to the situation in the ring , if things aren't going his way. He has been thought to fight in one way and doesn't have a "Plan B"
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I doubt that Cintron really loves to box because as his bio indicated he was a wrestler in school and he was pretty good. He regretted not pursuing the life he really wanted and becme a boxing champion which is not bad for a guy that never really intended to box. He wanted a college education and I think that it's not too late for him to get it so Alvarez might have instilled that in this fight he should really think about packing it in before he is truly hurt. The one thing that I noticed in the HBO production was that he was distracted once again.
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i wouldn't say he has no heart. He was throwing back even when he was hurt vs Alvarez. The guy simply doesn't know how to adapt to the situation in the ring , if things aren't going his way. He has been thought to fight in one way and doesn't have a "Plan B"
Right, I just put it a different way, Cintron doesn't have to skills/talent/mentality needed to win at the next level, if "Plan A" fails he's pretty much fucked.
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ruthless rocco
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Hulk
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outspoken
I don't know about one of the biggest wasted talents, I'll leave that to the Fernando Vargas's of the world who were wonder children and we expected greatness while they went on to mediocre careers.. See we never expected greatness from a person who started boxing at 19 but he was a very talented fighter, but always underachieve what was expected of him. He came relative late to the sport of boxing so maybe that had something to do with it, although martinez did as well and he fared good. I always liked Kermit but maybe he just didnt have the mentality or heart of a champion, he always folded when it counted the most.
Fernando Vargas wasn't a wasted talent at all. He gave it all he had against Tito Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya. He probably fought them too early in his career, but hell he peaked earlier than most fighters. He was World Champ at age 20 or something. I think the motorcycle injury that damaged his back screwed him up more than anything.
And Vargas would have kicked albino Alavarez's ass.
the motorcycle accident messed him up...but fighting a big puncher with loaded gloves damaged him first.
he never fought Margarito, that's who you must be referring to because Trinidad never had loaded gloves....people trying to compare the two when it's like night and day, Margarito had plaster on his wraps, Trinidad Sr's wrapping method was that he would distribute the tape more towards his wrist rather than his fist, it was only deemed illegal in NY not Vegas, where did Vargas fight Trinidad? oh right Vegas...
I wouldn't waste too many keystrokes on this fucking idiot.
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i'm pretty sure tito had an unfair advantage.
you can believe what you like. i'll believe what i like.
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gest12645
i wouldn't say he has no heart. He was throwing back even when he was hurt vs Alvarez. The guy simply doesn't know how to adapt to the situation in the ring , if things aren't going his way. He has been thought to fight in one way and doesn't have a "Plan B"
Watch his fights against Margarito, Williams and Martinez. He has no heart
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gest12645
i wouldn't say he has no heart. He was throwing back even when he was hurt vs Alvarez. The guy simply doesn't know how to adapt to the situation in the ring , if things aren't going his way. He has been thought to fight in one way and doesn't have a "Plan B"
That's how i saw it too.. Kermit lacks mental stability but he has some heart.. Everybody at this level does.. Heart-mental tougness are different.
A heartless young fighter isn't going to jump into a rematch with Margarito, and face Paul Williams/Martinez...
He just doesn't know how to fight out of pressure and the first margarito loss has alot to do with his lack of confidence imo... He doesn't know how to fight relaxed anymore cuz he doesnt believe in his ability as much after those losses..
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gest12645
i wouldn't say he has no heart. He was throwing back even when he was hurt vs Alvarez. The guy simply doesn't know how to adapt to the situation in the ring , if things aren't going his way. He has been thought to fight in one way and doesn't have a "Plan B"
That's how i saw it too.. Kermit lacks mental stability but he has some heart.. Everybody at this level does.. Heart-mental tougness are different.
A heartless young fighter isn't going to jump into a rematch with Margarito, and face Paul Williams/Martinez...
He just doesn't know how to fight out of pressure and the first margarito loss has alot to do with his lack of confidence imo... He doesn't know how to fight relaxed anymore cuz he doesnt believe in his ability as much after those losses..
I think maybe also he's been a little mis-handled. How do you let a fighter put in such a half-hearted effort for 3-4 rounds..... only to see him come back and throw huge punches with bad intentions after he's already pretty much beaten? That continues to mystify me. Had he come out that way from Round 1, we may have had a much more interesting fight. He should've had someone to whip his mindset into shape, if that's possible.
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outspoken
I don't know about one of the biggest wasted talents, I'll leave that to the Fernando Vargas's of the world who were wonder children and we expected greatness while they went on to mediocre careers.. See we never expected greatness from a person who started boxing at 19 but he was a very talented fighter, but always underachieve what was expected of him. He came relative late to the sport of boxing so maybe that had something to do with it, although martinez did as well and he fared good. I always liked Kermit but maybe he just didnt have the mentality or heart of a champion, he always folded when it counted the most.
Fernando Vargas wasn't a wasted talent at all. He gave it all he had against Tito Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya. He probably fought them too early in his career, but hell he peaked earlier than most fighters. He was World Champ at age 20 or something. I think the motorcycle injury that damaged his back screwed him up more than anything.
And Vargas would have kicked albino Alavarez's ass.
Na, Vargas was brought up to fast when they pitted him against Trinidad and he gave a Trinidad all he could and gave him hell but he was never quite the same after. His fight with Oscar wasnt as competitive to me.
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Hulk
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outspoken
I don't know about one of the biggest wasted talents, I'll leave that to the Fernando Vargas's of the world who were wonder children and we expected greatness while they went on to mediocre careers.. See we never expected greatness from a person who started boxing at 19 but he was a very talented fighter, but always underachieve what was expected of him. He came relative late to the sport of boxing so maybe that had something to do with it, although martinez did as well and he fared good. I always liked Kermit but maybe he just didnt have the mentality or heart of a champion, he always folded when it counted the most.
Fernando Vargas wasn't a wasted talent at all. He gave it all he had against Tito Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya. He probably fought them too early in his career, but hell he peaked earlier than most fighters. He was World Champ at age 20 or something. I think the motorcycle injury that damaged his back screwed him up more than anything.
And Vargas would have kicked albino Alavarez's ass.
Na, Vargas was brought up to fast when they pitted him against Trinidad and he gave a Trinidad all he could and gave him hell but he was never quite the same after. His fight with Oscar wasnt as competitive to me.
I think Vargas allowed his ego and pride to dictate.
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Hulk
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outspoken
I don't know about one of the biggest wasted talents, I'll leave that to the Fernando Vargas's of the world who were wonder children and we expected greatness while they went on to mediocre careers.. See we never expected greatness from a person who started boxing at 19 but he was a very talented fighter, but always underachieve what was expected of him. He came relative late to the sport of boxing so maybe that had something to do with it, although martinez did as well and he fared good. I always liked Kermit but maybe he just didnt have the mentality or heart of a champion, he always folded when it counted the most.
Fernando Vargas wasn't a wasted talent at all. He gave it all he had against Tito Trinidad and Oscar De La Hoya. He probably fought them too early in his career, but hell he peaked earlier than most fighters. He was World Champ at age 20 or something. I think the motorcycle injury that damaged his back screwed him up more than anything.
And Vargas would have kicked albino Alavarez's ass.
Na, Vargas was brought up to fast when they pitted him against Trinidad and he gave a Trinidad all he could and gave him hell but he was never quite the same after. His fight with Oscar wasnt as competitive to me.
Vargas was not brought up to fast. The man had already beaten Ike Quartey, Winky Wright. Yory Boy Campas and Raul Marquez. What was he suppose to do? Wait till he was like 27 or 28 just to fight Trinidad? That's stupid. Vargas was young when he faced Trinidad. But he was ready. He just lost
