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154 is a loaded division: James Kirkland, Alfredo Angulo, Erislandy Lara, Carlos Molina, Paul Williams, Vanes Martirosyan, Sergiy Dzinziruk, K9 Bundrage, Wolak/Rodriguez winner, Cotto/Margarito winner. I believe there may be more to gain fighting those guys than jumping up in weight to take on a huge middleweight in Chavez Jr. Canelo calls out Mayweather, but that's a money play. He isn't experienced enough yet for Mayweather. It would be a blow out.
I'll be happy if he just has someone who gives him a bit more of a challenge. The kid is still only 21, I don't want to see him in there with Floyd yet.
How long he can stay at this weight for though I'm not sure. His body is still growing and he has out grown the weight I think. I bet weigh ins must kill him.
I don't see him staying around 154 for much longer he's quite thick bodied plus he's only 21 so he will out grown the division soon. But for now a fight with someone with more heart than Cintron will be good.
Mayweather would be a crazy fight for him now, its too early, the Cotto v margarito winner would be perfect for him imo, especially margarito who never stops comin forward even when hes getting pummelled!!
For those saying they don't want to see him in with Floyd *yet*, keep this in mind: if he doesn't fight Mayweather next year he will probably never get to. He won't be able to make 154lbs forever. Canelo is the third most relevant fight out there for Floyd, so if the Pacquiao or Martinez fights can't be made, I'd like to see Mayweather/Alvarez in May.
Other than that, I'd love to see Canelo in with Kirkland or Cotto.
Have him fight Chavez Jr. Oh wait........ Papa Chavez would probably veto that one.
To be clear, Alvarez will be at junior middleweight for a long time to come. He has fought comfortably at 150 for a while let alone 154.
I think possibly a Kirkland fight.
I agree, Mayweather would school Alvarez... badly.. Personally, i'd like to see Alvarez attempt to dominate and/or clean up the Jr. Middleweight Division, before he even thinks about a fight with Mayweather.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
I'm the biggest mayweather fan(boxing fan). But I'll suggest MM, stay away for Canelo.
Saul should get back in the ring rather quickly. Williams vs K9 is a possible matchup. But if that do t happen, that should be the matchup around February. Other then K9, Vanes I believe is the mandatory. Again in February. The winner of Cotto vs Margarito won't be ready to fight until the summer anyways.
Since mayweather did a PPV with saul once before, I got a May 5th super card.
Main event
MM vs Cotto(if he wins)
Margarito will b good enough should he win
Co main event
Saul vs Martinez.
Martinez won't have to drop to 150lbs.
That would be a great card. Good luck getting Top Rank and Golden boy together for that, and throw in lou dibella in the mix, not gonna happen. These guys dont want to split money with one other promoter let alone 2 others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant Live
You are totally right. But Floyd is not a puppet. He pull the strings. As far as TR, Arum is a different story. But this way, Arum will make the most money. Pacman and still fight JMM. Arum can make Mayweather money off Cotto. And Lou needs to agree with anything to get Martinez a major fightQuote:
Originally Posted by MMASUXThat would be a great card. GoodQuote:
Originally Posted by Ant Live
luck getting Top Rank and Golden boy together for that, and throw in
lou dibella in the mix, not gonna happen. These guys dont want to
split money with one other promoter
let alone 2 others.
I think he should fight Kirkland next.
Kirkland did look slick in his last fight,but and it' a big but that chin?
very slick like's to stand toe to toe.
Boxer puncher yes,would it be a good fight as long as it last's
Canelo winner by ko in a war?;D
Kirkland is a good fight for Saul actually and I think that happens in 2012 or 2013 as long as it isn't spoiled. It's not hard to make because Saul and James are Golden Boy fighters. I've read elsewhere his team isn't high on a fight with Lara or Dzinziruk. I really believe Vanes is a good fight right now. Vanes doesn't punch exceptionally hard. He can box a bit, but not a ton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
If he wants the undisputed title, he should take a unification, tune-up match with K-9 bundrage.. Easy fight right there.
Hopefully, Kirkland's stock will be higher by then and fight makes sense risk/reward.. Canelo beats Kirkland BTW... I dont think GBP will make this fight anytime soon though cuz they gotta protect their investment.. This fight needs to be marinated..
Unify with K-9, and move on to the winner of Margarito-Cotto or Kirkland...
Just stay away from Floyd for now cuz there are plenty of time for that..
Any chance of a match vs Shane Mosley???
Yes, K-9 or Vanes makes the most sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
What about Mayorga?
Taking on Mayorga is like taking a half-step back at this point for Canelo. He's beaten enough of the Rhodes, Gomez and the Cintrons of his division. Fighting Mayorga isn't going to build him up in any way. Canelo is a young titleholder who has proved himself enough to be thrown in there against a bigger threat than Mayorga..He's due for a real test next year.. Mayorga is barely a gatekeeper right now and Canelo is way beyond that gate..
At least fight a fresh young contender like Vanes as Rant mentioned..
Theres loads out there.
Cotto or Margo as there fighting very close to Alvarez fight so they should be ready to have there next fights about the same time.
Theres Williams and Kirkland.
He could always do us all a fovour and take the title off that joke of a fighter Cornelius Bundrage somehow ranked third in the light middleweight devision on boxrec (Bullsh#t).
I suppose he could always take on Angulo. I know he just recently lost but he is always dangerous and exciting.
May I just shout out my love for humanity in general. When you get knocked down there is always someone to pick you up. The heart duth flutter at the timultous understanding society bleeds to its fellow siblings.
Remember Alvarez is still only a kid, Vanes ain't a name. Mayorga gave Cotto a tough night & would promote the shit outta it. It all goes towards building Canelo into a star. I would have rather seen Mayorga in there than Cintron!Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Age isnt always the reason to coddle a young fighter.. He's been pampered enough and built himself 39 pro victories with a WBC title to show for. Anybody half way decent is expected to beat MayorgaQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyRemember Alvarez is still only a kid, Vanes ain't a name. Mayorga gave Cotto a tough night & would promote the shit outta it. It all goes towards building Canelo into a star. I would have rather seen Mayorga in there than Cintron!Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
of today and Canelo has bigger fishes to fry.
Facing and beating a live contender in Vanes gives him more credibility than that side-show mayorga and he would actually get some new looks in the process. Today's mayorga doesn't give Canelo anything to think about and it's just a waste of time..
His star power is rising and it'll stay that way with or without that stepping stone Mayorga.. He has to face real fighters now..
Its not that I don't agree with you, but I still think he is a work in progress. You say a Mayorga fight is a waste of time but we just saw him fight a shot Cintron who should have never got the fight in the 1st place. If you want him to have a real test he should fight someone like Molina or Lara, maybe Williams. I actually feel Mayorga is a stiffer test than Martirosyan who I don't think much of at allQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamitaAge isnt always the reason to coddle a young fighter.. He's been pampered enough and built himself 39 pro victories with a WBC title to show for. Anybody half way decent is expected to beat MayorgaQuote:
Originally Posted by GalaxyRemember Alvarez is still only a kid, Vanes ain't a name. Mayorga gave Cotto a tough night & would promote the shit outta it. It all goes towards building Canelo into a star. I would have rather seen Mayorga in there than Cintron!Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
of today and Canelo has bigger fishes to fry.
Facing and beating a live contender in Vanes gives him more credibility than that side-show mayorga and he would actually get some new looks in the process. Today's mayorga doesn't give Canelo anything to think about and it's just a waste of time..
His star power is rising and it'll stay that way with or without that stepping stone Mayorga.. He has to face real fighters now..
. Plus he has name value. It another good stepping stone that wil continue to develop Alvarez
Mayorga was able to go almost 12 rounds with Cotto due to his size advantage and the fact that cotto himself was a shopworn fighter.. He doesn't have those luxuries against Canelo..
Guys who can box and punch will give Canelo problems but come forward fighters with no defense like Kirkland and Mayorga will get eaten alive.. I dont think Canelo-Mayorga would be competitive at all.
Kirkland is fresh and would put up a much better fight and so would Vanes.
Forget Vanes! He ain't shit! But like I said in my original post in this thread, Kirkland would be my choice. I just see Golden Boy developing Alvarez a little further & guys like Mayorga getting the call upQuote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita