Especially when you factor in that Margarito was busting him up with plastered handwraps.
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Especially when you factor in that Margarito was busting him up with plastered handwraps.
It was an unfair fight. I would quit too if someone keep hitting me with cement blocks over and over again.
Fuck Margarito and all of his supporters.
I hate this "macho" mentality that some boxing fans have. I mean Jesus H. Christ folks, boxing is a sport, not a fight to the death. So Cotto was supposed to have continued taking a beating with pastered wraps and risk getting brain damage? How fucking smart would that be..Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
I don't see anything wrong with Cotto quitting.
It wasn't like he quit as soon as it got rough. It went alot of hard rounds with Margarito and couldn't take no more.
Cotto has shown in fights before and after the Margarito fight that even when it gets tough for him that he can fight through it (eg. Pacquiao, Torres, Clottey).
I thought his corner threw in the towel. Oh well, I absolutely agree with the "macho" mentality that really is phony. Margarito and some may say they are willing to die in the ring but that is probably a bunch of crock. Anybody can say that they will die for this or that because they don't have to prove it. Just like everybody has a plan to kick the other guys a$$. When things go the wrong way the tune quickly changes as well. Besides, Margarito isn't exactly an honest guy. How many lies has he already told concerning just the plaster wraps??? So I'm sure he'd be willing to die in the ring is coming straight from the heart of an absolutely honest guy. And lets get straight to the point. What does dying in the ring do for you? If you die you lost anyway. So where does it get you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI hate this "macho" mentality that some boxing fans have. I mean Jesus H. Christ folks, boxing is a sport, not a fight to the death. So Cotto was supposed to have continued taking a beating with pastered wraps and risk getting brain damage? How fucking smart would that be..Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
The Nevada commission is a very experience commission. They cleared Margarito's wraps. So with it being a fair fight, Cotton quitting was a cowards move. I don't consider Cotto to be a coward. But he went out like one that night.
Its never ok to quit.
But considering the cheating scum he was up against..who knows.
I dunno - Quitting for me is something like what Ortiz did against Maidana, just gave up and shook his head saying "this isn't for me"..Same as Duran Leonard 2, although that was more like "fuck you Leonard, I'm not gonna let you embarrass me like this". Still quitting..
What Cotto did against Margarito was take all the shots that he could withstand and it appeared to me, couldn't give anymore and crumbled to his knee's.
I don't know if I'd call that quitting. He had nothing else left to give..why let this cheating prick (yes, I know..Cotto didn't know that at the time) keep getting free shots on his face when he can't even get his hands up or use his legs to move away? Why? To say you're the fucking man? His broken face already told the story of his bravery so although I can see the point if somebody said he quit, for me, he didn't quit.
I do wonder sometimes how people on this board who say he was a pussy for quitting would react feeling the exact way Cotto felt at that moment in time. I bet most would have "quit" a LOOOOONG time before..
I chose option 3. It's easier to judge when you are on the outside looking in but Cotto done took enough punishment by the time he quit on his knees.. It was unnecessary to continue at that point cuz he was done either way and there was no way he was gonna survive that round.
Cotto did the smart thing cuz he's still here today, bout to fight another day.
Cotto is wise but he never had that dog in him.. He's not made from the same cloth as guys like Marquez and Margarito for instance.
Absolutely. I wish more fighters would quit when they knew their situation was hopeless. Boxing fans have an absurd mentality where admitting defeat while still conscious = cowardice. It's ridiculous.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Althugz
If I remember right, Miguel took a knee, and then the corner threw in the towel, but it really doesn't make any difference. You owe it to your fans and yourself to do the best you can, and put on a good show, but that doesn't include sacrificing your health and well being.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitI thought his corner threw in the towel. Oh well, I absolutely agree with the "macho" mentality that really is phony. Margarito and some may say they are willing to die in the ring but that is probably a bunch of crock. Anybody can say that they will die for this or that because they don't have to prove it. Just like everybody has a plan to kick the other guys a$$. When things go the wrong way the tune quickly changes as well. Besides, Margarito isn't exactly an honest guy. How many lies has he already told concerning just the plaster wraps??? So I'm sure he'd be willing to die in the ring is coming straight from the heart of an absolutely honest guy. And lets get straight to the point. What does dying in the ring do for you? If you die you lost anyway. So where does it get you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axI hate this "macho" mentality that some boxing fans have. I mean Jesus H. Christ folks, boxing is a sport, not a fight to the death. So Cotto was supposed to have continued taking a beating with pastered wraps and risk getting brain damage? How fucking smart would that be..Quote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::
I never thought Cotto didn't do the right thing, even before it was known that Margarito might have used plastered wraps.
There's no "they." One guy was there. Do you know who it was, or how experienced he was? Do experienced commissioners never miss things? The NYSAC is pretty experienced, too. Didn't help Billy Collins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
I didn't see it as him quitting. At the time I just thought he had been beaten by some truly hurtfull shots, now looking back with the knowledge we have of Margarito cheating I have to say it looks more and more like he cheated against Cotto. I fully expect Cotto to get revenge this time around, and hopefully he will give Margarito a beating on the same level that Pacquiao did.
I never thought Miguel Cotto quit that fight.
Maybe the Puerto Rican caved in to the physical limitations that he had, but it was quite understandable, for if in fact the suspected loaded gloves, the glove of choice for Tony Margarito was illegal... then Miguel indeed was, a victim of an inhuman battering!
The repulsive thing, given that, if there actually was premeditation, was the manner by which the camp who administered the brutality was celebrating! Unconscionable!
Cotto took a fearful beating and could not take anymore. He gave his all and should be commended for his effort and get his revenge.
Cotto did the right thing, only a fucking idiot would have kept taking that pounding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
A fighter should always have the right to quit when taking a beating like that. I'd rather see someone try and have to quit than someone who runs away for the whole fight or holds and spoils the entire time.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Easy to say when you're not the one getting your nose broken early in the fight and getting busted up like that. Hey, just 'cause your a Margarito fanboy and a Cotto hater.... it's ok to man up once in a while, and go the other way. It would increase your credibility.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Easy to say when you're not the one getting your nose broken early in the fight and getting busted up like that. Hey, just 'cause your a Margarito fanboy and a Cotto hater.... it's ok to once a while man up and go the other way. It would increase your credibility.
By the way.... reading all the other posts..... yours sticks out like a sore thumb.
Tell you anything?
;)
He took an absolute battering with loaded gloves for 11 rounds. I wish I had 1/8th of the heart he does.
Cotto did the right thing, he was spitting blood, sweating blood and pretty much oozing blood left right and centre. It wasn't as if he took a couple of punches and quit. He took some serious licks. Margarito made him fight at a faster pace then he is used to and bust him up as he slowed down, he was pretty spent.
Of course it was okay for him to say 'enough is enough'. It was hardly Duran/Leonard 2.
Only an idiot would be willing to die in the ring. Boxing is a job.
It's hardly accountancy. It's more than a white collar job, but death is perhaps a tad extreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
You need a certain amount of the "never say die" attitude, but why would you want to end up like Meldrick Taylor or Gerald Mcclellan.
Cotto didn't quit, he preserved his life to fight another day.
And that day is soon.
Addendum: Silly me, what I just said is one of the choices. I should have looked at the polls first.
When a guy's face is a black and red mark and that he really doesn't feel well, I think it's safe to say that he did the correct thing to quit. There is a life after boxing, and generally, there is more time after than during the boxing period. I think that it's not unfair to ask for some quality time after with something else than parkinson or pugilistic demencia. Cotto couldn't win to that point but could receive more damage, the risk doesn't worth the end bell.
Cotto has that mentality that he doesn't want to risk his life in the ring and would rather fold than continue to take a beating. He said as much when he had the face to face with Margarito. He said "this is my job, I have kids, I'm not gonna waste my time taking a beating and not be able to go see them" something to that extent, and he basically thought Margarito was crazy that he would rather die in the ring than quit.
I commend Cotto for putting his life ahead of the sport, but I'm not sure he wanted to reveal something like that in front of the man he's about to rematch. If your opponent knows you'd rather quit then fight if you're getting hurt too badly it is gonna put them at the mental advantage cause they know they can make you quit, and when you openly admit it to them it can make things worse. So I commend Cotto, but I don't think "this is just my job, what kind of idiot would continue to fight on" is the kind of message you wanna send to a guy that's already done it to you once.
Pretty funny that the only people who have even suggested that Cotto did anything close to quit in the first place are the 2 resident E thug jokers.
You reckon? ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by milesIt's hardly accountancy. It's more than a white collar job, but death is perhaps a tad extreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
I don't think he quit in the sense that Ortiz did against Maidana. I just think he physically had nothing left in him to stand up and take them shots anymore and his corner did right by throwing in the towel, cotto had nothing left to give.
You do what you have to do to survive and fight another day. Never did understand this belief that boxers should never quit when they are taking a beating.
Exactly, I don't either, your personal heath is your 1st priority. This macho brainfart that you never "quit" comes from the mentality of a fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
I read a quote once of Genghis Khan don't remember exactly how it goes but it was something like only a fool continues to fight a battle he cannot win. He had the largest of all the empires back then no one calls him coward. First there's quiting like ortiz then there's the way cotto went, giving it your all and stopping when you have nothing left to give.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axExactly, I don't either, your personal heath is your 1st priority. This macho brainfart that you never "quit" comes from the mentality of a fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
Great point, 2 totally different scenarios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de PiedraI read a quote once of Genghis Khan don't remember exactly how it goes but it was something like only a fool continues to fight a battle he cannot win. He had the largest of all the empires back then no one calls him coward. First there's quiting like ortiz then there's the way cotto went, giving it your all and stopping when you have nothing left to give.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axExactly, I don't either, your personal heath is your 1st priority. This macho brainfart that you never "quit" comes from the mentality of a fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldog
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Originally Posted by p4pking
Yeah.... pretty damn predictable, isn't it?
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