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Hi guys,long time I've been on here folks,been busy In life,still in tune in the noble art game as usual.Looking forward to this great of love boxing,especially John Murray vs Rios and Martin Murray vs Felix Sturm,not to mention Cotto vs Margarito too.Seen a bit of the Murray vs Sturm weigh in earlier and Murray looked nervous.Hope Murray does uk proud.Could someone post the weigh in video on here for me due to only seeing bits of it and I'm interested in viewing it closer,thanks a lot;)
Not too long ago, I stated that Murray is a live underdog but upon further review, I changed my mind..
He's tailor made for Sturm..
I expect Sturm to have his way with him and i think he might even score a KO..
I"m surprised this fight hasn't got more attention on these boards. I believe Sturm is slipping and any of the up and coming middleweights could knock him off his perch. However, I don't believe Murray is that guy. I can't lie though I don't know too much about him.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinitoElDinamita
Strum is holding that title hostage. When will he ever fight a worthwhile fight?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Gennady Golovkin is his mandatory. Now that's a legitimate middleweight fight. Gennady looks to be real.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ant Live
I think Murray may be totally outclassed here. He's not like a Macklin type that will go all guns blazing.
I didn't think he was considered close to Macklin or Barker's class before he landed this shot.
Sturm wins an uneventful PTS decision or late stoppage
Sturm is rock solid , and a better boxer , he also looks bigger and stronger.
Murray doesnt hit hard, so i really cant see how it is possible for him to win.
Sturm tko 11
The only way to beat him is macklins style but with Calzaghe/froch type stamina otherwise keep away from him and pick him off which is an unlikely task
Murray is young. He has to outwork Sturm and be consistent. He must target Sturm's sides and forearms so that it is he, Murray, who dictates when Sturm stops covering up and starts fighting. It is a big ask and a massive step up for Martin Murray but if he can get Sturm to throw more, and keep out of his way when he does, he can outlast him. I thought Murray may have had a chance of a KO with a perfectly planted hook to Sturms' body but Al is right. Murray doesn't hit that hard so i think fitness may be the key. Murray on Points, after Sturm fades. Sturm came on strong against Macklin in the latter stages but Matthew faded. I think Martin Murray can keep Sturm busy for all 12 rounds and win on points. In Germany that's one hell of an ask, but he can do it by being emphatically busier. Go for it Martin.:box3:
Anyone watching this fight? I just started, but the British announcers seem to think Murray is holding his own here.
FWIW, I gave Murray rd. 6
murray looks good. i sense sturm is starting to tire...
I've been in and out, but I get the feeling that Murray could have been well ahead by now if he was just a bit busier.
murray is throwing more but sturm's punches are certainly harder.
well....if you don't knock 'em out in germany...you lose. thats the rule right?
Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I'm wishing I had taken Sturm by PTS instead of UD in the Prediction Contest now though.
i as well. haha. it's my jokerQuote:
Originally Posted by CFHYup.Quote:
Originally Posted by ruthless rocco
I'm wishing I had taken Sturm by PTS instead of UD in the Prediction Contest now though.
shiiiit!
A draw seems fair. There wasn't a lot to separate them in the rounds I saw.
yeah a draw was fair, maybe Murray was a bit overawed to begin with it took him a few rounds to get started.
British middleweight scene is looking interesting, the top 3 all lost and drawn in valiant attempts for world titles. I wish Barker had got back to his feet against Martinez though.
A draw was a fair result and a narrow win either way would not have been outrageous. Murray certainly got Sturm to throw more by dropping his hands and urging him in, but took a while to settle and didn't get out of Sturms way enough allowing himself to be backed on the ropes too long before turning him. It was Murray first fight at this level and for a relatively inexperienced fighter he did himself proud. He was just not quite busy enough and nearly paid dearly for it in the last round. Well done though and congratulations to Ricky Hatton for his promotional abilities in getting Martin the fight and having faith in his ability when not a lot of other people did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenbeanz
7-5 sturm for me. sorry whoever that british commentator is that was giving scores is a moron. how the f you going to make the 12th a 10-10 round, as your only even round, if you make that a 10-10 round you have to make half of the other rounds 10-10 which is fine if thats what ya did. felt almost like he did that so he'd have murray winning it by a point, when i felt that was one of the more clear rounds for sturm. their workrate in that round was about equal but felix was landing the quality, and if ya had doubt the last 10 seconds should have sealed it. Good fight and draw is ok.
I think you are reading into the commentary a bias that simply was not there. I'm not sure which commentator you are talking about but if it is former world lightweight champion Jim Watt then i think you are a bit wide of the mark calling him a moron. He is always very objective and made it quite clear that he thought Sturm would be too much for Murray at the start. Murray was not given a chance by anyone and held his own. I don't think you have to make half of the other rounds a 10-10 if that is how you score the 12th. Sturm finished that round strongly but Murray landed several combinations of real quality earlier and a 10-10 is ok. Ian Darke is not so objective but he had Sturm winning so i don't really know what you mean. Still great fight and it seems Sturms day's are numbered.Quote:
Originally Posted by armin
Ok your right calling him a moron is a bit harsh probably, I think I was just still vexed by the sound of his voice, bit annoying. To make the 12th round even is silly still imo when it wasn't even the closest round of the fight. Like I said tho good. Close fight and a draw is good and I'm sure sturm as always in close fights will ofer a rematch, that's one thing he can't be criticized for.Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI think you are reading into the commentary a bias that simply was not there. I'm not sure which commentator you are talking about but if it is former world lightweight champion Jim Watt then i think you are a bit wide of the mark calling him a moron. He is always very objective and made it quite clear that he thought Sturm would be too much for Murray at the start. Murray was not given a chance by anyone and held his own. I don't think you have to make half of the other rounds a 10-10 if that is how you score the 12th. Sturm finished that round strongly but Murray landed several combinations of real quality earlier and a 10-10 is ok. Ian Darke is not so objective but he had Sturm winning so i don't really know what you mean. Still great fight and it seems Sturms day's are numbered.Quote:
Originally Posted by armin
For the people that watched it, is Sturm slipping?
I think a little, but he didn't seem tired, more that he was going through the motions. Murray wanted it more. In saying that, I had a cheeky bet 4 rounds in on a draw at 40:1 :) so I was happy that Sturm gave the last round a good go, although I haven't seen the detailed scorecards yet.