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And last night just proved it, if Khan was the "next big thing", point deductions aside, he should have handled a guy like Peterson relatively easy, but instead he was in another Maidana like fight for his life.
The only thing that saved Khan from getting KTFO again is Lamont's lack of power.
BTW, I believe Khan gets wrecked by Bradley if that fight ever happens.
You should know there's more variables than that.
Ring size played a massive part in what happened last night, as did some questionable refereeing. In a bigger ring, with a better referee, Khan probably would have won as comfortably as expected. I also think home advantage helped Peterson an awful lot, especially when something happened which might swing momentum his way.
That aside, Peterson looked good last night.
I will say that threads like this where you call a guy a chump, when he's just played his part in a potential FOTY (as he did last year) just show you up to be a bit of a tub-thumping idiot. No offence.
I will not subtract from Peterson's performance by calling Khan a chump. Khan the holder of two belts voluntarily fought Peterson in his Hometown and could quite easily have dimissed him as overrated and moved up to Welterweight. He did not and was clearly outfought on the night by a hungrier fighter who proved himself relentless. Khan is a bit simple, and shocked at losing his belts blamed the ref. He has only himself to blame for constant fouling and the wrong game plan. Bradley couldn't wreck a snowman. You are entitled to your opinion but Khan is not a chump.
Khan has made a rod for his own back by coming out with some ridiculous , and sometimes idiotic comments, but he is no chump, he is not my favourite fighter by a long way ,but the guy does have some really entertaining fights.I think what rubs people up the wrong way is Amir,s prickly personality, and believeing he already is a legend,:o also his crazy obsession about being P4P No 1 , think he has a long way to go on that score, i think he got his tactics totally wrong against Peterson,but if the rematch happens i fancy him to come through.
Khan is overrated but I wouldn't say he's a chump, he's just not as good as he thinks and is made out to be.
Another well thought out and reasoned thread from Saddos own village idiot.
Bradley would smash khan easy.
I wouldn't call him a chump but I would say he's overrated in the sense that people were actually talking up him as a possible future opponent for either Pacquiao or Mayweather, it's a bit laughable, but he's still one of the best fighters in his weight class which is still pretty deep, although his cockyness, showboating, and arrogance annoy me, he's still a fun fighter to watch, so so what if he's not a future ATG, lets just hope that he continues to take on good opposition and put in the effort and has crowd pleasing fights, wouldn't mind him against Marquez, Rios, Guerrero, or the rematch with Peterson or Prescott at 140, or move up and face the Alexander/Maidana winner, or Berto/Ortiz II winner, or Bradley (which is said to be moving up), the guy is a prick but he's more than made up for his 1st round KO and taunting, arrogance, and pushing aside, he still put in a good effort
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
He lost a very close fight thanks to some dubious points deductions. It was still a wildly exciting fight, as is every Khan fight. He's the biggest money maker for both Floyd and Manny, outside of each other.
The chances are extremely high still that he will fight one of them next year.
Tell us how you really feel Mars?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_ax
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Mars - that isn't fair my man. I know a lot of the RedCoats here continually lambast Bradley and you are correct in feeling vindicated now that Bradley is the best at 140, but Khan is no chump. Khan fights with heart. Additionally, Khan has made for fun fights recently. I enjoyed the fights with Zab Judah, Marcos Maidana and now Lamont Peterson. I'd tune in to see Khan face anyone in the top five at junior welterweight for welterweight, and frankly, even after his fight with Lamont Peterson last night, his fight with Bradley hasn't lost much luster. Maybe Amir Khan's mediocre performance even would be able to lure Bradley to a match.
Of course, after last night, Bradley clearly is top dog in the division. Heck, even Fat Dan Rafael and Greenbeanz here at Saddo need to acknowledge that fact. Can we all agree on that? However, Khan is a good fighter with good skills. Would anyone predict Lamont to win a rematch with Khan? I don't believe I would. Losing to Lamont exposed Khan as a good, but probably not great, fighter because we know the level Lamont is on.
How is he still a future opponent ? Mayweather/Pacquiao are looking to fight eachother. And surely aren't fighting on that long, losing legitmately to Lamont Peterson was a massive blow. And IMO a well deserved win for Lamont Peterson who fought his heart out, where as Amir Khan was spoiling and running for quite a bit in the 2nd part of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHe still is a possible future opponent for Mayweather and Pacquaio. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
He lost a very close fight thanks to some dubious points deductions. It was still a wildly exciting fight, as is every Khan fight. He's the biggest money maker for both Floyd and Manny, outside of each other.
The chances are extremely high still that he will fight one of them next year.
bradley should of grown a pair of balls and fought kahn before the peterson fight was arranged, im not saying kahn beats bradley just cowards like bradley do nothing for boxing....... Two best in division, both belt holders and evenly matched why not fight?? And dont even say its cos bradley was chasing pac or floyd, Bradleys a pussy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
You can call me an idiot or whatever you want ono, just be sure to call me when you've got some beer. :drinker:Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Granted, Khan may not be a chump just yet, but he's rapidly heading in that direction.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
I could never take that title from you Bibbo, you're the forum's all time greatest. :biteit:
So much for "British Intelligence". hahaha
not really surprised... whenever Khan fights I expect him to lose, I was enjoying being wrong each and every time as he was starting to grow on me but I was prob always more shocked when he kept winning than when he lost.
"Chump" is a bit harsh, but i'd had an earful of hearing about how fucking great Khan is. I've yet to any greatness there, and from what I saw from him last night, his "reign" at the top ain't gonna last long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rantcatrat
Exactly, it's one thing to be arrogant when you can back it up, but when you can't you look foolish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manos de Piedra
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
I could never take that title from you Bibbo, you're the forum's all time greatest. :biteit:
So much for "British Intelligence". hahaha
Ice he is the most exciting fighter in his division, and the biggest draw by far. He lost a fight because of two terrible point deductions and many still had him winning a close fight. Once again it was a pulsating fight, commercially he has lost nothing. HBO agreed he got jobbed, Floyd himself teeeted that the referee was fucking useless and that Amir won the fight. My guess is they will get him a high profile opponent and if he wins he will get a megafight in 2012. Just wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHow is he still a future opponent ? Mayweather/Pacquiao are looking to fight eachother. And surely aren't fighting on that long, losing legitmately to Lamont Peterson was a massive blow. And IMO a well deserved win for Lamont Peterson who fought his heart out, where as Amir Khan was spoiling and running for quite a bit in the 2nd part of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHe still is a possible future opponent for Mayweather and Pacquaio. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
He lost a very close fight thanks to some dubious points deductions. It was still a wildly exciting fight, as is every Khan fight. He's the biggest money maker for both Floyd and Manny, outside of each other.
The chances are extremely high still that he will fight one of them next year.
You dont know what you are talking about. You know nothing about the business side of Boxing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taffturnerbradley should of grown a pair of balls and fought kahn before the peterson fight was arranged, im not saying kahn beats bradley just cowards like bradley do nothing for boxing....... Two best in division, both belt holders and evenly matched why not fight?? And dont even say its cos bradley was chasing pac or floyd, Bradleys a pussy!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dropanuke
I wouldn't call the points deductions a major controversy like some people seem to think. They were questionable at best.
The ref could have issued warnings or called the fighters to break more often. He could have used a little discretion because it isn't as though Khan was flying in with his head or smashing peterson with his elbows.
BUT the ref was well within his rights to take points off, Khan was fouling (not in a serious way but rules are rules) and fighting in Washington didn't help but it could just be put down to the ref being very strict.
I have no problem with the result. Going in to the 12th I had a feeling it could go either way but that Khan would win on a split or a draw at least but when he had that point deducted he was fighting a losing battle and I would have been shocked if he had won. (taking in to account where they were fighting, fair or not).
Khan only has himself to blame he lost the fight rather than Peterson won it, but i was very impressed with Petersons heart and never taking a backward step. He deserved it.
When Khan was firing off those blistering combinations he looked amazing and looked as though he could stop Peterson but he was getting trapped far too much and taking punishment on the ropes.
I say Khan wins the rematch fairly easily providing there are no point deductions. :)
Bloody good fight though
I don't think Amir Khan got robbed at all, i thought he was beaten legitmately. And so do alot of people, it was a close fight but Amir Khan was far too negative. Especially when your fighting in someone's backyard, i don't see what all the fuss is about in all honesty.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
I could never take that title from you Bibbo, you're the forum's all time greatest. :biteit:
So much for "British Intelligence". hahaha
Ice he is the most exciting fighter in his division, and the biggest draw by far. He lost a fight because of two terrible point deductions and many still had him winning a close fight. Once again it was a pulsating fight, commercially he has lost nothing. HBO agreed he got jobbed, Floyd himself teeeted that the referee was fucking useless and that Amir won the fight. My guess is they will get him a high profile opponent and if he wins he will get a megafight in 2012. Just wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBHow is he still a future opponent ? Mayweather/Pacquiao are looking to fight eachother. And surely aren't fighting on that long, losing legitmately to Lamont Peterson was a massive blow. And IMO a well deserved win for Lamont Peterson who fought his heart out, where as Amir Khan was spoiling and running for quite a bit in the 2nd part of the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHe still is a possible future opponent for Mayweather and Pacquaio. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
He lost a very close fight thanks to some dubious points deductions. It was still a wildly exciting fight, as is every Khan fight. He's the biggest money maker for both Floyd and Manny, outside of each other.
The chances are extremely high still that he will fight one of them next year.
Amir Khan was warned so many times, and got point's deducted thats it. He still has alot to prove at 140 and losing to Lamont Peterson is a major setback.
He has to rematch Peterson and fight Bradley, he also has to fight someone like Berto, Ortiz at Welterweight. Infact i think this loss is a blessing in disguise because he's out of the picture now for a Mayweather showdown, which is good news because he would be totally dominated.
Let him rebuild himself at 140 and then see what happens, but talk of fighting the likes of Mayweather was madness before the Peterson fight and its even more crazy now. Amir Khan has far too many flaws in his game.
Saddo,Quote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
Khan is decent enough fighter, for whatever reason however, his skills/ability were being seriously overhyped. It doesn't help matters that he's arrogant & cocky, which is OK as long as you can back it up, but in Khan's case he let's his mouth overload his arse. Losing to Peterson, is not a good sign, and neither was getting bounced around the ring and almost knocked out by Maidana. Now that doesn't per-say make him a bad fight fighter, just not the whirling dervish some were making him out to be.
cheers
They're so naive (basically you're utter divs) they don't even realise being in EXCITING fights makes you more marketable.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboHe still is a possible future opponent for Mayweather and Pacquaio. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
He lost a very close fight thanks to some dubious points deductions. It was still a wildly exciting fight, as is every Khan fight. He's the biggest money maker for both Floyd and Manny, outside of each other.
The chances are extremely high still that he will fight one of them next year.
Deary deary me...
Maybe he's a little bit overrated/ overhyped, but not a chump.
Geez. i wonder what's Pac's opinion about the fight. i'm really curious. ;D
Fenst I think the intelligence inequality on Saddo is greater than the financial inequality in the US, ten percent of the posters have ninety percent of the brains.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterThey're so naive (basically you're utter divs) they don't even realise being in EXCITING fights makes you more marketable.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboLQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
He still is a possible future opponent for Mayweather and Pacquaio. :rolleyes:
He lost a very close fight thanks to some dubious points deductions. It was still a wildly exciting fight, as is every Khan fight. He's the biggest money maker for both Floyd and Manny, outside of each other.
The chances are extremely high still that he will fight one of them next year.
Deary deary me...
Khan is still a red hot commodity and boxing matches are mostly marketing decisions. Look at Haye, loses a lopsided fight to Wlad, now Vitali wants him. Morales gets a title shot on the back of losing to Maidana.
I thought he won it by a close margin but I don't think it's that much of a robbery than a mere controversy. As for his potential, he has some of the fastest hands in the business, a very good footwork and he has shown that perhaps his jaw is not as much china made than what many thought at first. However, I could see some arguments why he lost and got deducted some points, 2 points was perhaps a bit too much but in the fire of the action, I could see why the referee went this way (Even if it shouldn't have, imo).
it's a lost but somehow it will just market even better his rematch with Peterson as it will spark more interests over the whole deal. He,s far from done, either as a boxer or on a market value. Plus, he has one of the biggest boxing powerhouse behind him in Golden boy promitions. Bad decision but sure not a robbery.
khan might be a douche, but he has courage and some good skills. i dont like him either, but seeing him get battered and continue on the way he does ( maidana, peterson) shows he has balls and is willing to fight the biggest challenges, unlike some ( like gayweather).
he may not be dominating, but he is a good young fighter who tries hard.
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Not too naive to believe that if Khan loses another fight his "marketability" won't go straight into the toilet.:flush:
More like courage born out of desperation, like i've already said on this thread, he's a decent fighter, but I fail see any "greatness" there. As for Khan's "entertainment" value, I don't see where his fights are all that fucking thrilling.Quote:
Originally Posted by #1FightFan
Mars Khan is doin fine the last few fights comes from early stoppage and Peterson who gives Khan a decent 12 round fight. Khan really improve especially his chin was questionable till he face like top rated Peterson. Eitherway Khan would win in slim margin if not with point deduction. Khan should work his constant unnecessary movement too much energy:o his been wasted. Overall his doin good a and decent fight for him.
Like I've said on this thread UKPH, Khan is a good but not great fighter. He should have a bit more success in the coming years, but he's never going to be one of the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by UKPH
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Originally Posted by Mars_axLike I've said on this thread UKPH, Khan is a good but not great fighter. He should have a bit more success in the coming years, but he's never going to be one of the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by UKPH
I agree with this part. I think if the Peterson fight was in the UK, Khan would've won, but it wasn't it was in the US and it goes goes ways. He should not have let it be so close that points deductions decided the fight. I guess if you were being really kind to Khan, you could say Peterson benefited from a 3 point swing, with the not counted KD.
Peterson showed great heart and he has won a new fan in me - great story, great guy!!
I think Khan will win a rematch and I still think he has a very good chance against Bradley. It's clear that it's heart that you need to beat Khan, so Bradley will need that!
As for a PBF fight, I think Khan would be completely dominated!
I agree with with what you have said here too. Take the point deductions away and Amir won scraped a fight victory so I don't think many will regard this a loss for him, certainly the likes of HBO, Dan Rafael and Boxingtalk don't. Neither does Floyd significantly who tweeted the referee ruined the fight.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Mars_axLike I've said on this thread UKPH, Khan is a good but not great fighter. He should have a bit more success in the coming years, but he's never going to be one of the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by UKPH
I agree with this part. I think if the Peterson fight was in the UK, Khan would've won, but it wasn't it was in the US and it goes goes ways. He should not have let it be so close that points deductions decided the fight. I guess if you were being really kind to Khan, you could say Peterson benefited from a 3 point swing, with the not counted KD.
Peterson showed great heart and he has won a new fan in me - great story, great guy!!
I think Khan will win a rematch and I still think he has a very good chance against Bradley. It's clear that it's heart that you need to beat Khan, so Bradley will need that!
As for a PBF fight, I think Khan would be completely dominated!
I still believe Amir can come back, unify the 140lb division and beat Tim Bradley, and I think him and Marquez is a 50/50 fight.
He doesn't look to have a realistic shot at beating Floyd but I've never heard anyone claim that he did. Floyd is in a league of his own from 147 down.
But Amir is one of the most exciting fighters around, never in a dull fight and I imagine HBO are probably more keen on him than ever ever this weekend. He practically guarantees a fun fight and there is no doubt Floyd Mayweather would love to fight him. His eyes must just see dollar signs whenever he looks at him and if Floyd still has two more fights in him I reckon one of them will be against Khan.
Khan will need to impress in his next fight, if he wins that he will probably still get his megafight imo. And get beat up badly of course.
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Originally Posted by Mars_axYou can call me an idiot or whatever you want ono, just be sure to call me when you've got some beer. :drinker:Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Granted, Khan may not be a chump just yet, but he's rapidly heading in that direction.
No, Khan is not all that overrated, certainly not on my part. I actually think he is a decent boxer when it comes to what he does well, but he is hideously flawed in the areas in which he doesn't do well. His handspeed and output is commendable, but his inside game and getting away technique leaves a lot to be desired. He is also incredibly stupid and doesn't listen to his corner. It's like Zelenoff with skills at times.
He is a belt level fighter, but he will never build up a number of defences nor be considered truly elite. There are too many belts these days, so it isn't as though he would go down as anything special.
Still, he is young. But Roach really hasn't brought all that much to his game.
Well it depends how he loses.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fenster
Not too naive to believe that if Khan loses another fight his "marketability" won't go straight into the toilet.:flush:
If he loses his next fight and has HBO thanking him for being involved in yet ANOTHER great fight and has the worlds boxing media all printing he's been in yet ANOTHER FOTY candidate, his marketability will be just fine ;)
It was a cracking fight and especially for the first half. The second half got bogged down in Khan spoiling and seemingly having no idea how to coordinate what it was he should be doing. He has great handspeed, but absolutely no IQ.
Fenster you are making the same mistake I did with Mars. You are attempting to reason with him based on logic and intelligence, two qualities he neither understands or possesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterWell it depends how he loses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Not too naive to believe that if Khan loses another fight his "marketability" won't go straight into the toilet.:flush:
If he loses his next fight and has HBO thanking him for being involved in yet ANOTHER great fight and has the worlds boxing media all printing he's been in yet ANOTHER FOTY candidate, his marketability will be just fine ;)
If you want his attention throw him a peanut or wave some string at him.
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Originally Posted by BilboFenster you are making the same mistake I did with Mars. You are attempting to reason with him based on logic and intelligence, two qualities he neither understands or possesses.Quote:
Originally Posted by FensterWell it depends how he loses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mars_axQuote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
Not too naive to believe that if Khan loses another fight his "marketability" won't go straight into the toilet.:flush:
If he loses his next fight and has HBO thanking him for being involved in yet ANOTHER great fight and has the worlds boxing media all printing he's been in yet ANOTHER FOTY candidate, his marketability will be just fine ;)
If you want his attention throw him a peanut or wave some string at him.
you're going on his ignore list.