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For me, the Hatton that fought Pac wasn't even Hatton. T Rex arms all over the place and all kamikaze. Just tragic. Against Malignaggi, Hatton was still past his best, but looked sharp in dishing out punishment without taking anything much back.
I am choosing a non-peak Hatton because I think peak Hatton destroys Khan, but I find this matchup more interesting. Hatton isn't at his best but is still dangerous. Khan has his strengths, but also such obvious weaknesses.
Who do you have winning?
Khan beats Hatton.
Malignaggi has no power. Khan does. Khan is better skillwise too.
Khan now would still beat prime Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Hatton. The pressure Hatton would put on Khan would be too much, early on 1-3rds Khan would have joy, but once Hatton closes the distantce and get's inside Khans reach, I would see a late stoppage through hard body shots.
Hatton?!... ??? Depends if one of his mates is refereeing or not.
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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Khan now would still beat prime Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::Khan now would still beat prime Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
None of us should forget Hattons own INCREDIBLE footwork. He closed down opponents like no other. On his feet and bang, there goes the gap. Khan can get off great combos, but if the space is gone, his effective work is erased. And Hatton would constantly cut the gap. Then the body work comes in, then he works up top and then separate. Rinse and return.
I really struggle to see Khan going the distance with Hatton, my only worry is Hatton not quite being the same as he was against Tszyu. The output was good, but not energizer bunny good. The chin had been checked. Though in truth Khan is knocking nobody out either. Zab? Pfft.
I would back THIS Khan (the one whose punch resistance has dramatically improved) to KO Hatton in rounds 1-6.
If it goes past 6 I'd back Hatton to stop Khan in rounds 8-11.
If that Tommy Cooper cunt from the other night is reffing i'd back a double DQ.
Prime hatton kills khan, great pressure, tremendous power, kos khan..post maywaether hatton, eeehhhh close call
Kahn aint got the chin to fight hatton, hattons power would get him in bother like maidana did but hatton had the skill to finish the job!!
Khan now beats any version of Hatton.
Miles, i think you are forgetting that Hatton has looked terrible when he's faced anybody with hand speed who can throw combinations. He simply has never had any answer for it.
I honestly think it would be quite one-sided.
The Hatton we saw against Pacquiao was the same Hatton we saw against everyone else he fought at world class level. He just looks that bad against speed and volume (not to mention southpaws). He had poor defence and a very average chin. He also had no survival instincts whatsoever, so he had no way of reacting to a clean punch.
I find your hatred for Khan quite worrying to be honest. I think you should see someone. ;D
How can u say hatton had an average chin?? He spent half his career using his face to block punches!! and still survived to win loads of fights, ie kosta tyszu, collazo etc, even against floyd he took alot of punishment to last till last few rounds, i agree he was very 'face first' defence tho..... Thats probley he ended up shot all of a sudden!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Easy, he was hurt by Rios, Magee, Phillips, Collazo, Pacquiao, Mayweather and Lazcano.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaffturnerHow can u say hatton had an average chin?? He spent half his career using his face to block punches!! and still survived to win loads of fights, ie kosta tyszu, collazo etc, even against floyd he took alot of punishment to last till last few rounds, i agree he was very 'face first' defence tho..... Thats probley he ended up shot all of a sudden!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Quite a few fairly average punchers in there. He's hardly Steve Collins.
I lean towards thinking Khan would stop Hatton, then I think of how Khan doesn't deal well with contsantly being chased down by pressure fighters. If Hatton could take Khan's shots, I think Hatton would win a decision, but he could just as easilly be KOed.
But hatton won all those fights bar two so he must hav a better than average chin to last and win?? he lasted well & took alot of punishment against floyd and that punch against pac would of ko'd a baby elephant!! Im not sayin he was steve collins, but i dont think hattons chin was his problem i think he had a good punch resistance for mist if his career, his biggest problem was how one dimensonal he was....Quote:
Originally Posted by onoEasy, he was hurt by Rios, Magee, Phillips, Collazo, Pacquiao, Mayweather and Lazcano.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaffturnerHow can u say hatton had an average chin?? He spent half his career using his face to block punches!! and still survived to win loads of fights, ie kosta tyszu, collazo etc, even against floyd he took alot of punishment to last till last few rounds, i agree he was very 'face first' defence tho..... Thats probley he ended up shot all of a sudden!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Quite a few fairly average punchers in there. He's hardly Steve Collins.
a prime hattons punch resistence was very good
therefore i think he would beat khan, too much pressure
Not it wasn't. It was just 'alright'. Fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by erics44
You could argue that it can't have been bad because he hung in there and got the win, but the majority of those opponents just weren't good enough or were too past their prime to capitalise on hurting him. I think in his book he mentions something about Phillips hurting him really badly, but Phillips didn't realise at the time and he managed to recover.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaffturnerBut hatton won all those fights bar two so he must hav a better than average chin to last and win?? he lasted well & took alot of punishment against floyd and that punch against pac would of ko'd a baby elephant!! Im not sayin he was steve collins, but i dont think hattons chin was his problem i think he had a good punch resistance for mist if his career, his biggest problem was how one dimensonal he was....Quote:
Originally Posted by onoEasy, he was hurt by Rios, Magee, Phillips, Collazo, Pacquiao, Mayweather and Lazcano.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaffturnerHow can u say hatton had an average chin?? He spent half his career using his face to block punches!! and still survived to win loads of fights, ie kosta tyszu, collazo etc, even against floyd he took alot of punishment to last till last few rounds, i agree he was very 'face first' defence tho..... Thats probley he ended up shot all of a sudden!!Quote:
Originally Posted by ono
Quite a few fairly average punchers in there. He's hardly Steve Collins.
I'm not saying his chin was bad or anything, but i think the fact that he stood up to Kostya Tszyu made everyone think Hatton was this fearless pressure fighter with a granite chin.
Getting back to the original point, i just don't see Hatton avoiding many of Khan's flurries. He just doesn't react to fast combinations well at all. I can see the argument for Hatton's pressure being a problem for Khan, but i'd imagine Khan's handspeed would be a much, much bigger problem for Hatton.
I think Hattons foot speed is under rated. I knew this pro fighter who had sparred with hatton and he said that Hatton can close the distance really fast, so fast that its unexpected and he he hits quite hard too.
In a fight with Khan I think Hatton takes him, stops him late on. Khan would have fast and flashy early rounds then Hatton's pressure gets to him. Khan is clueless on the inside so Hatton would have him on the ropes up close landing left hooks.
Hatton TKO10
Khan would stop that version of Hatton imo.
A prime Hatton would stop Khan though.
Why the Hatton that fought Malignaggi? Im not sure what the distinction is there only that it was a decent performance yet not the superhuman effort he put in against Tszyu??
Ive always thought that Amir would smash Ricky to bits in quick time but now I dont think so. Amir doesnt have the firepower to keep Hatton off him, Ricky would be in like a flash and smashing hooks into Amir all night long.
Hatton by late TKO, Amir with stoved in ribs.
Im talking a prime Hatton, the one that (even if not prime) a very good Kostya Tszyu couldnt keep off. Lets allow Ricky to be at his best for this eh? ;D
Hatton beats Khan. The Hatton that beat Malinaggi beats Khan on points. Hatton pre Mayweather stops Khan, probably with a hook to the body. The Lazcano fight showed that Ricky was never the same after the Mayweather fight, it was just a step too far. I remember at the time not being able to accept it ,and posting on here how Hatton was gonna smash Manny in the ribs all night and stop him early, and then fight night wondering who swapped Ricky for an anorexic doppleganger. Looking back his decline post Mayweather is pretty steep. Khan is better than he was in the fight with Peterson but Hatton, even the Hatton who took 11 rounds to stop Paulie beats Khan on points. Khan was still on the way up when fought Malinaggi and forced the ref to jump in during the same 11th round, Hatton's footwork was slowing down. Peterson charging across the ring as soon as the bell went, and jumping on Khan, demonstrated how a prime Ricky would stop him. Post Mayweather he was still the much more dangerous puncher compared to Peterson , and Hatton's sustained early pressure takes away Khans speed. Even with compromised foot speed Ricky would not back up, assuming he is allowed to fight on the inside and doesn't have Cortez refereeing, he wins on points.
I chose a slightly shopworn Hatton because I think prime Hatton flat out slaughters Amir Khan. A brutal stoppage in 6. Hacking to the body and then a knockout to the head.
I second this as well, Hatton at his best was a hell of a pressure fighter, it took Mayweather a good 5 or 6 rounds to really soften him up and start to pull away. I just don't see anything Khan has that would have kept Ricky's head off his chest for however long it lasted. People are really underrating Ricky to make out like Khan has an outright speed advantage, his hands are faster but footspeed is close and Hatton had a lot more method to his approach. Khan still has yet to show any infighting skills really, I don't see how this would even be much of a fight tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
I say Ricky Hatton quit comfortably, can you imagine Amir Khan on the ropes getting hit by those vicious body shots ? he thought Lamont Peterson's body attack was tough, Ricky Hatton's body attack was on another level Hatton by TKO in middle rounds.
I think people are over-estimating Hatton to be honest. At his best he was still an inconsistent fighter. For every Tszyu performance, there was a Pedersen performance, or for every Castillo performance, there was a Collazo performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingI second this as well, Hatton at his best was a hell of a pressure fighter, it took Mayweather a good 5 or 6 rounds to really soften him up and start to pull away. I just don't see anything Khan has that would have kept Ricky's head off his chest for however long it lasted. People are really underrating Ricky to make out like Khan has an outright speed advantage, his hands are faster but footspeed is close and Hatton had a lot more method to his approach. Khan still has yet to show any infighting skills really, I don't see how this would even be much of a fight tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
At his best, Hatton was very good against fighters who threw one punch at a time. But he has never excelled against fighters with fast hands who throw punches in bunches. Infact, the 3 who he has fought have either knocked him out or nearly knocked him out. Granted you have Pacquiao and Mayweather in there, but the manner of the Pacquiao loss suggests that he is far too open to excel against this kind of fighter.
Warren kept him away from this type of fighter for a reason.
Ricky's body attack was great against WBU calibre fighters. Aside from the Castillo fight, he never really worked the body aswell as he should have done at world level.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
Ricky Hatton was having alot of problems outside the ring coming into Manny Pacquiao fight, granted he wouldn't of beaten Manny Pacquiao at anytime. But he was clearly not mentally ready for a fight like that, plus Manny Pacquiao is a Southpaw which Ricky Hatton always had problem's with since an Amateur which you already know, but i don't see what Pacquiao or Mayweather have in common with Amir Khan at all. One is a southpaw offensive machine, the other is a defensive genius, both things which Amir Khan is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoI think people are over-estimating Hatton to be honest. At his best he was still an inconsistent fighter. For every Tszyu performance, there was a Pedersen performance, or for every Castillo performance, there was a Collazo performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingI second this as well, Hatton at his best was a hell of a pressure fighter, it took Mayweather a good 5 or 6 rounds to really soften him up and start to pull away. I just don't see anything Khan has that would have kept Ricky's head off his chest for however long it lasted. People are really underrating Ricky to make out like Khan has an outright speed advantage, his hands are faster but footspeed is close and Hatton had a lot more method to his approach. Khan still has yet to show any infighting skills really, I don't see how this would even be much of a fight tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
At his best, Hatton was very good against fighters who threw one punch at a time. But he has never excelled against fighters with fast hands who throw punches in bunches. Infact, the 3 who he has fought have either knocked him out or nearly knocked him out. Granted you have Pacquiao and Mayweather in there, but the manner of the Pacquiao loss suggests that he is far too open to excel against this kind of fighter.
Warren kept him away from this type of fighter for a reason.
You say about Ricky Hatton's trouble's what about Amir Khan's ? almost KO'ed by feather fisted Willie Limond, floored against Michael Gomez and hurt to the body aswell. Went to hell and back with both Maidana, Peterson.
Amir Khan has had problem's with pressure fighters, and has shown more vulnerability than Ricky Hatton ever did.
Amirs got WBU level defence unfortunately ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by onoRicky's body attack was great against WBU calibre fighters. Aside from the Castillo fight, he never really worked the body aswell as he should have done at world level.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICB
I referenced Pacquiao and Mayweather because aside from Collazo, Hatton has never been in with anybody with any noticeable speed. When he has, it's ended very badly for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBRicky Hatton was having alot of problems outside the ring coming into Manny Pacquiao fight, granted he wouldn't of beaten Manny Pacquiao at anytime. But he was clearly not mentally ready for a fight like that, plus Manny Pacquiao is a Southpaw which Ricky Hatton always had problem's with since an Amateur which you already know, but i don't see what Pacquiao or Mayweather have in common with Amir Khan at all. One is a southpaw offensive machine, the other is a defensive genius, both things which Amir Khan is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoI think people are over-estimating Hatton to be honest. At his best he was still an inconsistent fighter. For every Tszyu performance, there was a Pedersen performance, or for every Castillo performance, there was a Collazo performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingI second this as well, Hatton at his best was a hell of a pressure fighter, it took Mayweather a good 5 or 6 rounds to really soften him up and start to pull away. I just don't see anything Khan has that would have kept Ricky's head off his chest for however long it lasted. People are really underrating Ricky to make out like Khan has an outright speed advantage, his hands are faster but footspeed is close and Hatton had a lot more method to his approach. Khan still has yet to show any infighting skills really, I don't see how this would even be much of a fight tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
At his best, Hatton was very good against fighters who threw one punch at a time. But he has never excelled against fighters with fast hands who throw punches in bunches. Infact, the 3 who he has fought have either knocked him out or nearly knocked him out. Granted you have Pacquiao and Mayweather in there, but the manner of the Pacquiao loss suggests that he is far too open to excel against this kind of fighter.
Warren kept him away from this type of fighter for a reason.
You say about Ricky Hatton's trouble's what about Amir Khan's ? almost KO'ed by feather fisted Willie Limond, floored against Michael Gomez and hurt to the body aswell. Went to hell and back with both Maidana, Peterson.
Amir Khan has had problem's with pressure fighters, and has shown more vulnerability than Ricky Hatton ever did.
As for Khan, he is vulnerable to pressure, but apart from being rocked, he still clearly beat Maidana (imo). Hatton doesn't possess Maidana like power in any case. Peterson applied pressure well but that was a very small ring. It's much easier to be successful at that when your opponents back touches the ropes every 10 seconds. Even fighters with excellent ring generalship would look uncomfortable fighting in a ring of that size against relentless pressure.
I also think, because Khan has had his problems with punch resistance (albeit all down at 135) people over-reatc when he is hit or put under pressure. I actually think he looked quite good in stages fighting on the back foot on Saturday night. In a bigger ring, he would have probably dealt fairly comfortably with it.
I just think Hatton's vulnerability to speed and combination punching is far greater than Khan's vulnerability
to pressure. I think it's worth mentioning that Hatton's vulnerability to speed would be evident from the opening bell, wheras Khan's vulnerability to Hatton's pressure would be something which would be more apparent over the second half of the fight. The problem for Hatton is, when he's been hit continually (something i'd expect Khan to do quite easily)with fast and accurate punches, Hatton has faded quite badly down the stretch.
I think people are forgetting the fact that Freddie Roach is in Khan's corner. He knows Hatton's weaknesses better than any trainer in the world.
As for Gomez 'nearly knocking Khan out' - L.O.L.
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Originally Posted by onoI referenced Pacquiao and Mayweather because aside from Collazo, Hatton has never been in with anybody with any noticeable speed. When he has, it's ended very badly for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICBRicky Hatton was having alot of problems outside the ring coming into Manny Pacquiao fight, granted he wouldn't of beaten Manny Pacquiao at anytime. But he was clearly not mentally ready for a fight like that, plus Manny Pacquiao is a Southpaw which Ricky Hatton always had problem's with since an Amateur which you already know, but i don't see what Pacquiao or Mayweather have in common with Amir Khan at all. One is a southpaw offensive machine, the other is a defensive genius, both things which Amir Khan is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by onoI think people are over-estimating Hatton to be honest. At his best he was still an inconsistent fighter. For every Tszyu performance, there was a Pedersen performance, or for every Castillo performance, there was a Collazo performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by p4pkingI second this as well, Hatton at his best was a hell of a pressure fighter, it took Mayweather a good 5 or 6 rounds to really soften him up and start to pull away. I just don't see anything Khan has that would have kept Ricky's head off his chest for however long it lasted. People are really underrating Ricky to make out like Khan has an outright speed advantage, his hands are faster but footspeed is close and Hatton had a lot more method to his approach. Khan still has yet to show any infighting skills really, I don't see how this would even be much of a fight tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
At his best, Hatton was very good against fighters who threw one punch at a time. But he has never excelled against fighters with fast hands who throw punches in bunches. Infact, the 3 who he has fought have either knocked him out or nearly knocked him out. Granted you have Pacquiao and Mayweather in there, but the manner of the Pacquiao loss suggests that he is far too open to excel against this kind of fighter.
Warren kept him away from this type of fighter for a reason.
You say about Ricky Hatton's trouble's what about Amir Khan's ? almost KO'ed by feather fisted Willie Limond, floored against Michael Gomez and hurt to the body aswell. Went to hell and back with both Maidana, Peterson.
Amir Khan has had problem's with pressure fighters, and has shown more vulnerability than Ricky Hatton ever did.
As for Khan, he is vulnerable to pressure, but apart from being rocked, he still clearly beat Maidana (imo). Hatton doesn't possess Maidana like power in any case. Peterson applied pressure well but that was a very small ring. It's much easier to be successful at that when your opponents back touches the ropes every 10 seconds. Even fighters with excellent ring generalship would look uncomfortable fighting in a ring of that size against relentless pressure.
I also think, because Khan has had his problems with punch resistance (albeit all down at 135) people over-reatc when he is hit or put under pressure. I actually think he looked quite good in stages fighting on the back foot on Saturday night. In a bigger ring, he would have probably dealt fairly comfortably with it.
I just think Hatton's vulnerability to speed and combination punching is far greater than Khan's vulnerability
to pressure. I think it's worth mentioning that Hatton's vulnerability to speed would be evident from the opening bell, wheras Khan's vulnerability to Hatton's pressure would be something which would be more apparent over the second half of the fight. The problem for Hatton is, when he's been hit continually (something i'd expect Khan to do quite easily)with fast and accurate punches, Hatton has faded quite badly down the stretch.
I think people are forgetting the fact that Freddie Roach is in Khan's corner. He knows Hatton's weaknesses better than any trainer in the world.
As for Gomez 'nearly knocking Khan out' - L.O.L.
Ono i have seen you in the past say this alot, about Ricky Hatton's weaknesses but i think your a bit unfair, i also think your tad biased towards Amir Khan. Apart from power what else does Marcos Maidana have ? and even that's overrated i mean he couldn't stop an ancient DeMarcus Corley.
Ricky Hatton is a much better pressure fighter in every other area, he would close the distance down. And punish Amir Khan to the body, since when has Marcos Maidana or Lamont Peterson had great chins either ? and how would they have done vs Pacquiao or Mayweather ?
Lamont Peterson isn't naturally a pressure fighter, nor does he carry a big punch. Yet he gave Amir Khan hell and Amir Khan at times was running, can you imagine Ricky Hatton having Amir Khan in that same position ? which he would and he would punish him badly.
Lastly read what i said i said Michael Gomez floored him and hurt him to the body, i never said nearly KO'ed. But the fact he was floored and hurt to the body speaks volumes, he was also having trouble with Lamont Peterson's body attack.
I've seen most of Ricky Hatton's fights and i don't remember him ever looking as hurt, or as uncomfortable as Amir Khan has. He was floored early in his career and was slightly shaken but he shook it off. I've seen him be buzzed by single punches but never seriously hurt, i think he was quite badly hurt by Luis Collazo. But i think that's mixture of the fight being at Welterweight and Luis Collazo being a Southpaw.
Prime Hatton beats today's Khan. Too much pressure .
Prime Hatton destroys khan. The one that fought Malignaggi i still slighty favour Hatton if he had the right trainer in his corner. Khan would cause him big problems early with his speed but he does jump in alot with his punches and khan isnt that hard a puncher. If Hatton gets past the first 2 rounds he wins imo, Hatton still had the fast feet that would allow to get on the inside and once he got there he would do alot of damage to the body of Khan and slow him down and stop him around the 6th. If Hatton could get on close to Khan,Khan just doesnt have the inside game to deal with him.
Hatton all day everyday end of discussion
Khan offensively is a big problem for Hatton becaue Khan is strong and mobile but he isn't exactly the most organised fighter and just seems to want to override situations with flurries, excess movement and now holding. Hatton likes to wrestle quite a lot too and was very good at it so holding wouldnt be an option as Khan just isn't clever or cute enough for that. I think this would be the sort of fight Hatton wanted against Mayweather; being lead on a merry dance before having the will to unravel his man with brutal and relentless aggression.
Ive always thought Khan is all wrong for Hatton. I think Hatton always struggles with the Khan of today. Fast combinations, movement, height and reach advantage. I think Khan will land too much for Hattons average chin to handle. It will be via accumulation stoppage imo
Hattons best shot is getting Dave Paris in to allow rough-house tactics and not count legit KD's when they are scored.
Id rather Hatton won..but have never seen it going down that way in my mind
Hatton would bully him like Peterson did, only better.